(03-14-2013 02:43 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 02:32 PM)Maize Wrote:  If ACCeggedan happens I kind of doubt that Clemson/FSU would be there for the Big XII...hell I could see the SEC going to 18 with Virginia Tech, NC State, FSU & Clemson...B1G with Georgia Tech, UVa, UNC & Duke.

But time will tell...Realignment is never as set or happens they way people expect...I see FSU going to the SEC or even if possible the B1G before they would head to the Big XII...

That's the way I see it. The Big 12 will be left with no one, unless they take the remaining ACC and make it their East division.

East: WVU, Miami, Cuse, Pitt, BC, UL, UC, WF, UConn

More than likely that doesn't nearly makeup the value that the other 18 team conferences would be making. And I don't think there is smaller combo there that makes it worth the Big 12 moving out there. More than likely the major Big 12 schools merge with the Pac 12 and the best of the rest form another conference. A Big 12/nBE/ACC hybrid.

If FSU moves...it to the B1G or SEC...brand too strong for those leagues to pass up...

have to disagree with you Wedge.

Don't think of NC State like A&M in the last round, think of them as Missouri: ie a school that is not at the top of the SEC list for a variety of reasons but WILL get in because 1) They need someone to go with the big value team they added first (Virginia Tech) so they 2) picked the team that gives them access to biggest available markets not in the footprint...ie NC State.

And of course all this is predicated on the B1G causing enough of a stir that those 2 would WANT to leave the ACC, ie their older brothers getting into the B1G and leaving them in an ACC about to be picked apart.

The B1G was and continues to be the prime mover. The SEC is willing to wait and FSU and CU don't want to be in the B12 unless they are forced to by the ACC falling apart.

I found this line interesting from the article:


"I polled a half-dozen coaches and athletic directors around MSG on Wednesday about this topic. None hesitated in responding that the ACC taking over MSG was a no-brainer."


What coach from the ACC was at MSG on Wednesday? My guess is none.

This line was curious as well:

"Let Delany and the Big Ten settle for Brooklyn or Newark. Bludgeon the Catholic Seven before they even tip off.
Now is the time for the ACC to make a power play for Manhattan."



Just really seems like "the Dude" stuff. Just trying to jerk chains and get reactions, not reporting anything.

Oh well, what ever gets you "hits" or "followers".

FSU will only end up in Big 12. FSU is not academically strong enough to be with B1G schools. SEC already has Florida.

(03-14-2013 02:58 PM)Dasville Wrote:  I found this line interesting from the article:


"I polled a half-dozen coaches and athletic directors around MSG on Wednesday about this topic. None hesitated in responding that the ACC taking over MSG was a no-brainer."


What coach from the ACC was at MSG on Wednesday? My guess is none.

This line was curious as well:

"Let Delany and the Big Ten settle for Brooklyn or Newark. Bludgeon the Catholic Seven before they even tip off.
Now is the time for the ACC to make a power play for Manhattan."



Just really seems like "the Dude" stuff. Just trying to jerk chains and get reactions, not reporting anything.

Oh well, what ever gets you "hits" or "followers".

A few future ACC AD's and coaches were there, no doubt.

(03-14-2013 02:58 PM)Dasville Wrote:  What coach from the ACC was at MSG on Wednesday? My guess is none.

Not trying to defend Thamel's silly self, but he could have been referring to Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt and ND. Not sure where the other two come from to get to a half dozen though.

Anyway, to me the problem here is the Carolina Mafia, Clemson, FSU, Louisville, VT, UVa and GT are all a bazillion lightyears away from MSG. Well, maybe not UVa so much, but everyone else. Sure it's cool as hell, but I for one am tired of the conference tourney being held in the most expensive place on Earth.

(03-14-2013 02:51 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  have to disagree with you Wedge.

Don't think of NC State like A&M in the last round, think of them as Missouri: ie a school that is not at the top of the SEC list for a variety of reasons but WILL get in because 1) They need someone to go with the big value team they added first (Virginia Tech) so they 2) picked the team that gives them access to biggest available markets not in the footprint...ie NC State.

And of course all this is predicated on the B1G causing enough of a stir that those 2 would WANT to leave the ACC, ie their older brothers getting into the B1G and leaving them in an ACC about to be picked apart.

The B1G was and continues to be the prime mover. The SEC is willing to wait and FSU and CU don't want to be in the B12 unless they are forced to by the ACC falling apart.

Agree on NC State:VT is like Mizzou:A&M.

(03-14-2013 03:06 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 02:58 PM)Dasville Wrote:  What coach from the ACC was at MSG on Wednesday? My guess is none.

Not trying to defend Thamel's silly self, but he could have been referring to Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt and ND. Not sure where the other two come from to get to a half dozen though.

Anyway, to me the problem here is the Carolina Mafia, Clemson, FSU, Louisville, VT, UVa and GT are all a bazillion lightyears away from MSG. Well, maybe not UVa so much, but everyone else. Sure it's cool as hell, but I for one am tired of the conference tourney being held in the most expensive place on Earth.

I know about the teams that are there from the BE that will be in the ACC soon enough. I am talking about the conference we are "joining"! As a new member we should "adapt and enhance", not expect to "change" the conference. We are not WVU! We should not join a conference and "*****" about our situation!

I feel ya on the cost of NY as well. I love NY, but a sandwich costs $30.

(03-14-2013 02:51 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  have to disagree with you Wedge.

Don't think of NC State like A&M in the last round, think of them as Missouri: ie a school that is not at the top of the SEC list for a variety of reasons but WILL get in because 1) They need someone to go with the big value team they added first (Virginia Tech) so they 2) picked the team that gives them access to biggest available markets not in the footprint...ie NC State.

And of course all this is predicated on the B1G causing enough of a stir that those 2 would WANT to leave the ACC, ie their older brothers getting into the B1G and leaving them in an ACC about to be picked apart.

The B1G was and continues to be the prime mover. The SEC is willing to wait and FSU and CU don't want to be in the B12 unless they are forced to by the ACC falling apart.

For sure NCSU makes more sense as a "2nd add" rather than anyone's first choice, but if the SEC really wants into North Carolina, why would they do nothing while the Big Ten courts UNC?

Granted, the Big Ten's approaches to UNC might be no more successful than their approaches to Notre Dame, but if I was Slive, I'd make it clear to UNC that there's a place for them in the SEC if they ever want to leave the ACC, so that the Heels know they have the option of choosing the SEC over the B1G (which IMO is a much better fit for UNC).

Whomever takes Duke/UNC in the package gets them. And I think all other things being equal, Duke/UNC go to the B1G before the SEC. SEC needs to boost academics, and the only way I feel they can lure UNC/Duke is to add more AAU schools. Right now, the B1G has the edge in the Chapel Hill chase.

(03-14-2013 03:23 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 02:51 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  have to disagree with you Wedge.

Don't think of NC State like A&M in the last round, think of them as Missouri: ie a school that is not at the top of the SEC list for a variety of reasons but WILL get in because 1) They need someone to go with the big value team they added first (Virginia Tech) so they 2) picked the team that gives them access to biggest available markets not in the footprint...ie NC State.

And of course all this is predicated on the B1G causing enough of a stir that those 2 would WANT to leave the ACC, ie their older brothers getting into the B1G and leaving them in an ACC about to be picked apart.

The B1G was and continues to be the prime mover. The SEC is willing to wait and FSU and CU don't want to be in the B12 unless they are forced to by the ACC falling apart.

For sure NCSU makes more sense as a "2nd add" rather than anyone's first choice, but if the SEC really wants into North Carolina, why would they do nothing while the Big Ten courts UNC?

Granted, the Big Ten's approaches to UNC might be no more successful than their approaches to Notre Dame, but if I was Slive, I'd make it clear to UNC that there's a place for them in the SEC if they ever want to leave the ACC, so that the Heels know they have the option of choosing the SEC over the B1G (which IMO is a much better fit for UNC).

I disagree, UNC is a lot more like U of Michigan than Alabama

(03-14-2013 01:04 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Food for thought. The last 3 rounds of realignment began with a major FB member changing its home.

2010-11 (Nebraska joins the B1G)
2011-12 (TAMU joins the SEC)
2012-13 (Notre Dame joins the ACC)

I just don't think UNC, NC State, UVA or VaTech are big enough players in football right now to change the trajectory of the SEC or B1G on a per school money basis.

You mean like football kings Rutgers & Maryland?

(03-14-2013 12:34 PM)Villecard Wrote:  Thamel lays out why the ACC and MSG would be a great match. Also mentions that realignment isn't over.

"All five major conference commissioners privately acknowledge that realignment isn't done. And the next logical evolution will inevitably be a poaching of the ACC.

When will this happen? That's the biggest question among athletic directors and TV executives right now. No one knows the answer. But this much is certain -- there's nothing that's happened in the last three years that suggests that realignment will just stop. Will Jim Delany expand the Big Ten this spring with North Carolina and Virginia? Will Mike Slive pull the trigger first and nab N.C. State or Virginia Tech? Will the Big 12 make a power play for Florida State or Clemson? Who makes the first move? Rest assured that even the most deep-rooted ACC schools have contingency plans in case the league gets poached.

At its core, grabbing the Garden would be a long-term asset that would separate the ACC from its rivals. It would strengthen its basketball profile and make it more attractive for the long term. It would ingratiate the ACC in the country's best media market and one of the most fertile recruiting grounds."

Amazing that there are still a few outliers on this board who insist that rumors of the ACC being raided are based on a random WV board. Did the dude get into Pete Thamel's ear too?

(03-14-2013 03:42 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 12:34 PM)Villecard Wrote:  Thamel lays out why the ACC and MSG would be a great match. Also mentions that realignment isn't over.

"All five major conference commissioners privately acknowledge that realignment isn't done. And the next logical evolution will inevitably be a poaching of the ACC.

When will this happen? That's the biggest question among athletic directors and TV executives right now. No one knows the answer. But this much is certain -- there's nothing that's happened in the last three years that suggests that realignment will just stop. Will Jim Delany expand the Big Ten this spring with North Carolina and Virginia? Will Mike Slive pull the trigger first and nab N.C. State or Virginia Tech? Will the Big 12 make a power play for Florida State or Clemson? Who makes the first move? Rest assured that even the most deep-rooted ACC schools have contingency plans in case the league gets poached.

At its core, grabbing the Garden would be a long-term asset that would separate the ACC from its rivals. It would strengthen its basketball profile and make it more attractive for the long term. It would ingratiate the ACC in the country's best media market and one of the most fertile recruiting grounds."

Amazing that there are still a few outliers on this board who insist that rumors of the ACC being raided are based on a random WV board. Did the dude get into Pete Thamel's ear too?

WVU insiders are everywhere laying seeds of realignment in all the sportswriters minds. Much like anal probing that aliens do.

(03-14-2013 03:22 PM)Dasville Wrote:  I know about the teams that are there from the BE that will be in the ACC soon enough. I am talking about the conference we are "joining"! As a new member we should "adapt and enhance", not expect to "change" the conference. We are not WVU! We should not join a conference and "*****" about our situation!

I tend to agree. But given Thamel's quote and who he was probably talking to, it sounds like the Big East block is going to be voting for anywhere other than North Carolina for the conference tourney.

Maybe DC. At least it would be neutral ground.

(03-14-2013 03:53 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 03:22 PM)Dasville Wrote:  I know about the teams that are there from the BE that will be in the ACC soon enough. I am talking about the conference we are "joining"! As a new member we should "adapt and enhance", not expect to "change" the conference. We are not WVU! We should not join a conference and "*****" about our situation!

I tend to agree. But given Thamel's quote and who he was probably talking to, it sounds like the Big East block is going to be voting for anywhere other than North Carolina for the conference tourney.

Maybe DC. At least it would be neutral ground.

I thought DC was already in the rotation

(03-14-2013 03:29 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 03:23 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 02:51 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  have to disagree with you Wedge.

Don't think of NC State like A&M in the last round, think of them as Missouri: ie a school that is not at the top of the SEC list for a variety of reasons but WILL get in because 1) They need someone to go with the big value team they added first (Virginia Tech) so they 2) picked the team that gives them access to biggest available markets not in the footprint...ie NC State.

And of course all this is predicated on the B1G causing enough of a stir that those 2 would WANT to leave the ACC, ie their older brothers getting into the B1G and leaving them in an ACC about to be picked apart.

The B1G was and continues to be the prime mover. The SEC is willing to wait and FSU and CU don't want to be in the B12 unless they are forced to by the ACC falling apart.

For sure NCSU makes more sense as a "2nd add" rather than anyone's first choice, but if the SEC really wants into North Carolina, why would they do nothing while the Big Ten courts UNC?

Granted, the Big Ten's approaches to UNC might be no more successful than their approaches to Notre Dame, but if I was Slive, I'd make it clear to UNC that there's a place for them in the SEC if they ever want to leave the ACC, so that the Heels know they have the option of choosing the SEC over the B1G (which IMO is a much better fit for UNC).

I disagree, UNC is a lot more like U of Michigan than Alabama

In some ways, but geography and the culture outside the school's boundaries still matter. Stanford is a lot more like Dartmouth than Washington State, but that doesn't mean Stanford is going to join the Ivy League.

(03-14-2013 04:29 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 03:29 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 03:23 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 02:51 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  have to disagree with you Wedge.

Don't think of NC State like A&M in the last round, think of them as Missouri: ie a school that is not at the top of the SEC list for a variety of reasons but WILL get in because 1) They need someone to go with the big value team they added first (Virginia Tech) so they 2) picked the team that gives them access to biggest available markets not in the footprint...ie NC State.

And of course all this is predicated on the B1G causing enough of a stir that those 2 would WANT to leave the ACC, ie their older brothers getting into the B1G and leaving them in an ACC about to be picked apart.

The B1G was and continues to be the prime mover. The SEC is willing to wait and FSU and CU don't want to be in the B12 unless they are forced to by the ACC falling apart.

For sure NCSU makes more sense as a "2nd add" rather than anyone's first choice, but if the SEC really wants into North Carolina, why would they do nothing while the Big Ten courts UNC?

Granted, the Big Ten's approaches to UNC might be no more successful than their approaches to Notre Dame, but if I was Slive, I'd make it clear to UNC that there's a place for them in the SEC if they ever want to leave the ACC, so that the Heels know they have the option of choosing the SEC over the B1G (which IMO is a much better fit for UNC).

I disagree, UNC is a lot more like U of Michigan than Alabama

In some ways, but geography and the culture outside the school's boundaries still matter. Stanford is a lot more like Dartmouth than Washington State, but that doesn't mean Stanford is going to join the Ivy League.

Geography and culture? Hello? Maryland is in the B10, if they take UVA, Rutgers? Those are close schools. Not to mention, have you been to the Triangle lately? The place is far from southern.

The B12 as of this moment, does not have the umph to raid the ACC. They have to wait on SEC and Big. FSU won't join B12 before it is clear they won't find a home in Big or SEC. The good thing for ACC is they stockpiled schools in getting to 14, and these raids won't all happen at once. Most likely is Big moves first and grabs 2. Problem there is they really want NC and NC isn't likely to move 1st.

(03-14-2013 04:34 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 04:29 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 03:29 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 03:23 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 02:51 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  have to disagree with you Wedge.

Don't think of NC State like A&M in the last round, think of them as Missouri: ie a school that is not at the top of the SEC list for a variety of reasons but WILL get in because 1) They need someone to go with the big value team they added first (Virginia Tech) so they 2) picked the team that gives them access to biggest available markets not in the footprint...ie NC State.

And of course all this is predicated on the B1G causing enough of a stir that those 2 would WANT to leave the ACC, ie their older brothers getting into the B1G and leaving them in an ACC about to be picked apart.

The B1G was and continues to be the prime mover. The SEC is willing to wait and FSU and CU don't want to be in the B12 unless they are forced to by the ACC falling apart.

For sure NCSU makes more sense as a "2nd add" rather than anyone's first choice, but if the SEC really wants into North Carolina, why would they do nothing while the Big Ten courts UNC?

Granted, the Big Ten's approaches to UNC might be no more successful than their approaches to Notre Dame, but if I was Slive, I'd make it clear to UNC that there's a place for them in the SEC if they ever want to leave the ACC, so that the Heels know they have the option of choosing the SEC over the B1G (which IMO is a much better fit for UNC).

I disagree, UNC is a lot more like U of Michigan than Alabama

In some ways, but geography and the culture outside the school's boundaries still matter. Stanford is a lot more like Dartmouth than Washington State, but that doesn't mean Stanford is going to join the Ivy League.

Geography and culture? Hello? Maryland is in the B10, if they take UVA, Rutgers? Those are close schools. Not to mention, have you been to the Triangle lately? The place is far from southern.

Last time I was there was about 10 years ago, but how non-southern could it have become in that time? Atlanta is in the south, and it's not non-southern just because it's urban and suburban.

UNC vs. Florida or LSU makes sense. UNC vs. Nebraska or Wisconsin? That's what they used to call an "intersectional game". It should never be a conference game. IMO.