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(03-14-2013 11:54 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 11:28 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 08:19 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  I guess I'm not in my "right mind" then...LOL. I would much rather play MTSU, La Tech, Southern Miss, ODU, Charlotte, FIU/FAU over the likes of Tulame, Temple, SMU etc. Sorry but those schools do nothing for me. Gets old to watch CUSA games on TV at those venues with nobody in the stands or in the arena.

Nobody shows up at MTSU, LTU, UAB, Charlotte (nobody will, trust me), FIU, FAU, etc games either. 03-lmfao

Let's get real here. Marshall fans are excited to have a bunch of crappy football programs in their division they can beat up on and hopefully get back to their MAC domination status. They've got 2 South Florida schools, Charlotte and Norfolk areas in which to recruit players with at least a pulse academically.

I hope like hell USM AND Tulsa get out of that mess.


I'm sure you are really worried about the situation for USM and Tulsa.....

At the end of the day we are all part of the "Group of Five".....one team gets the big bid. The largest alumni population in one city for Marshall is in Charlotte. Tons of Marshall alumni in Virgina and Florida as well. I have no issue with being where we are.

Actually, I am concerned, especially about USM.
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(03-14-2013 12:04 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 11:54 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 11:28 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 08:19 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  I guess I'm not in my "right mind" then...LOL. I would much rather play MTSU, La Tech, Southern Miss, ODU, Charlotte, FIU/FAU over the likes of Tulame, Temple, SMU etc. Sorry but those schools do nothing for me. Gets old to watch CUSA games on TV at those venues with nobody in the stands or in the arena.

Nobody shows up at MTSU, LTU, UAB, Charlotte (nobody will, trust me), FIU, FAU, etc games either. 03-lmfao

Let's get real here. Marshall fans are excited to have a bunch of crappy football programs in their division they can beat up on and hopefully get back to their MAC domination status. They've got 2 South Florida schools, Charlotte and Norfolk areas in which to recruit players with at least a pulse academically.

I hope like hell USM AND Tulsa get out of that mess.


I'm sure you are really worried about the situation for USM and Tulsa.....

At the end of the day we are all part of the "Group of Five".....one team gets the big bid. The largest alumni population in one city for Marshall is in Charlotte. Tons of Marshall alumni in Virgina and Florida as well. I have no issue with being where we are.

Actually, I am concerned, especially about USM.

If I were you, I'd be more concerned about ECU. You have Cincy sending love letters to the ACC, UConn likely doing the same as well. Temple demanding more teams from the Northeast (UMASS and Buffalo) or they may be leaving as well. Add on the exit fee money, and everything else to go along with it......talk about a situation of uncertainty. But yet you are worried about USM? Wow.
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ECU will be fine regardless of what UConn does.
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(03-14-2013 12:34 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  ECU will be fine regardless of what UConn does.

...as will USM, Marshall etc.
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(03-14-2013 12:49 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 12:34 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  ECU will be fine regardless of what UConn does.

...as will USM, Marshall etc.

USM is on an alarming slide downward in terms of overall reputation IMHO. The notion that "we'll be fine" is exactly what prompted me to post this thread. There is a lot of complacency at USM right now, masquerading as either optimism or fiscal discipline.

It's very ominous in my estimation... you can't cost-cut your way to prosperity, but what individuals can do is push the "fiscal responsibility" button to get what they want. At least, that works in south Mississippi.

Or, individuals can push the "make the professors punch a time clock" button and get sympathy from the townies and their businesses. Shelby Thames did that, and our USNWR ranking has never recovered. But once again, this is one of those buttons people can push to get broad support among the people of MS. It's no different from what Al Sharpton does with race

Basically, what I'm saying is that USM is on a slide, and it was precipitated by a couple of people who engaged in demagoguery to move up the totem pole within USM. Anyone who buys into the fiscal responsibility argument is just falling for one man's trap.... just like people fell into Shelby Thames' "our professors are lazy potheads" trap. We need to all be careful to not let such hysteria distract us from our real long-term challenges.
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I'm going to miss Southern Miss, Tulsa, and Rice in this new conference. I hope that 1-2 more of those three can join.

Tulsa and Rice have financial backing and aren't as cash-strapped as Southern Miss.

That's the scary part for the Eagles. While they've punched miles above their weight on the current shoestring budget, I simply don't see things ending well once that budget gets cut down even further. It is critically important that the TV deal for the newest iteration of C-USA isn't far behind the TV deal for the A12/Metro.

USM has the right idea AND good tradition - they just need some money to help makes their dreams grow wings.
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(03-14-2013 11:50 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 01:07 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 08:19 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 02:42 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  No USM does not really want to turn a A12 invite down.

It's more of a self defense mechanism to not be seen as weak because they think they wont be invited. No one in their right mind would rather be with Middle Tenn, FIU, FAU, UTEP, North Texas, and La Tech over Tulane, Houston, SMU, UCF, and USF.

I guess I'm not in my "right mind" then...LOL. I would much rather play MTSU, La Tech, Southern Miss, ODU, Charlotte, FIU/FAU over the likes of Tulame, Temple, SMU etc. Sorry but those schools do nothing for me. Gets old to watch CUSA games on TV at those venues with nobody in the stands or in the arena.

I hate to see UCF and ECU go for historic/rivalry reasons but they have to do what they think is best for them. I can see good rivalries forming with this new group. A tighter geographic grouping of schools that will have just as good or better basketball, and the potential that we could surpass the American 12 with a larger TV deal from Fox after our current deal runs out in 2016. Especially if we have some school in CUSA step up run the table occasionally and get one of the better bowl bids.

There is absolutley no way I would support a move to the American 12. Could not justify the investment to leave CUSA and the investment to enter a league that has no real direction or stability. A league that is starting from the ground up with a new name and widespread travel. An absolute lateral move at best. Sorry. It is what it is. The only remaining attraction or value is gone (The Big East Name) or soon to be gone (Cincy)

No need to flame me fellas.....just my opinion. Everyone has one. Calling it like I see it.


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And you'll seek but never find,
But blaze your own path
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Will trail right behind."
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It's easy to pretend your in paradise when you know your not even on the short list of candidates.

If this group of schools is so great why didn't Marshall leave conference USA to join the more regional "Slum Belt" as you guys called it a few years ago. There is nothing wrong with being content with reality but no need to lie about your situation.

The fact that the A-12 will be on ESPN getting two mil per year alone justifies moving up.


How do you know that we weren't on the short list of candidates?

The bottom line.....you are obviously upset over the current situation of being left out. You would give your left nut to be part of CUSA and be in our situation. Enjoy whats left of the scumbelt! Hahahah

I'm not upset about anything bro I didn't get left out of anything. Troy may have got left out of moving up but that's just one of the schools I have attended. And how do I know? I can probably grab a monkey from the zoo that knows it's Tulsa or USM, and no one else. And even if we waited five years UNCC and ODU have a much better chance of getting in the A12 than Marshall.

But feel free to make all the country Troy jokes you want 03-lmfao I don't care I'm glad to be out of Troy.
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(03-14-2013 03:40 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  I'm going to miss Southern Miss, Tulsa, and Rice in this new conference. I hope that 1-2 more of those three can join.

Tulsa and Rice have financial backing and aren't as cash-strapped as Southern Miss.

That's the scary part for the Eagles. While they've punched miles above their weight on the current shoestring budget, I simply don't see things ending well once that budget gets cut down even further. It is critically important that the TV deal for the newest iteration of C-USA isn't far behind the TV deal for the A12/Metro.

USM has the right idea AND good tradition - they just need some money to help makes their dreams grow wings.

After thinking it through I can see why they are going after Tulsa, they have Houston, SMU, and Tulane. Tulsa will easily continue to recruit talent rich Texas and field good teams.
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(03-14-2013 01:18 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 12:49 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 12:34 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  ECU will be fine regardless of what UConn does.

...as will USM, Marshall etc.

USM is on an alarming slide downward in terms of overall reputation IMHO. The notion that "we'll be fine" is exactly what prompted me to post this thread. There is a lot of complacency at USM right now, masquerading as either optimism or fiscal discipline.

It's very ominous in my estimation... you can't cost-cut your way to prosperity, but what individuals can do is push the "fiscal responsibility" button to get what they want. At least, that works in south Mississippi.

Or, individuals can push the "make the professors punch a time clock" button and get sympathy from the townies and their businesses. Shelby Thames did that, and our USNWR ranking has never recovered. But once again, this is one of those buttons people can push to get broad support among the people of MS. It's no different from what Al Sharpton does with race

Basically, what I'm saying is that USM is on a slide, and it was precipitated by a couple of people who engaged in demagoguery to move up the totem pole within USM. Anyone who buys into the fiscal responsibility argument is just falling for one man's trap.... just like people fell into Shelby Thames' "our professors are lazy potheads" trap. We need to all be careful to not let such hysteria distract us from our real long-term challenges.

Southern Miss has great tradition and support. I have no worries whatsoever about Southern Miiss. I think the rivalry with La Tech will be intense.
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(03-14-2013 05:09 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 11:50 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 01:07 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 08:19 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 02:42 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  No USM does not really want to turn a A12 invite down.

It's more of a self defense mechanism to not be seen as weak because they think they wont be invited. No one in their right mind would rather be with Middle Tenn, FIU, FAU, UTEP, North Texas, and La Tech over Tulane, Houston, SMU, UCF, and USF.

I guess I'm not in my "right mind" then...LOL. I would much rather play MTSU, La Tech, Southern Miss, ODU, Charlotte, FIU/FAU over the likes of Tulame, Temple, SMU etc. Sorry but those schools do nothing for me. Gets old to watch CUSA games on TV at those venues with nobody in the stands or in the arena.

I hate to see UCF and ECU go for historic/rivalry reasons but they have to do what they think is best for them. I can see good rivalries forming with this new group. A tighter geographic grouping of schools that will have just as good or better basketball, and the potential that we could surpass the American 12 with a larger TV deal from Fox after our current deal runs out in 2016. Especially if we have some school in CUSA step up run the table occasionally and get one of the better bowl bids.

There is absolutley no way I would support a move to the American 12. Could not justify the investment to leave CUSA and the investment to enter a league that has no real direction or stability. A league that is starting from the ground up with a new name and widespread travel. An absolute lateral move at best. Sorry. It is what it is. The only remaining attraction or value is gone (The Big East Name) or soon to be gone (Cincy)

No need to flame me fellas.....just my opinion. Everyone has one. Calling it like I see it.


"Try to discover
The road to success
And you'll seek but never find,
But blaze your own path
And the road to success
Will trail right behind."
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It's easy to pretend your in paradise when you know your not even on the short list of candidates.

If this group of schools is so great why didn't Marshall leave conference USA to join the more regional "Slum Belt" as you guys called it a few years ago. There is nothing wrong with being content with reality but no need to lie about your situation.

The fact that the A-12 will be on ESPN getting two mil per year alone justifies moving up.


How do you know that we weren't on the short list of candidates?

The bottom line.....you are obviously upset over the current situation of being left out. You would give your left nut to be part of CUSA and be in our situation. Enjoy whats left of the scumbelt! Hahahah

I'm not upset about anything bro I didn't get left out of anything. Troy may have got left out of moving up but that's just one of the schools I have attended. And how do I know? I can probably grab a monkey from the zoo that knows it's Tulsa or USM, and no one else. And even if we waited five years UNCC and ODU have a much better chance of getting in the A12 than Marshall.

But feel free to make all the country Troy jokes you want 03-lmfao I don't care I'm glad to be out of Troy.

Good thing you arent upset because Troy is most definitely not on anybodys list for CUSA. You guys might be better off swallowing your pride and dropping back to FCS. Not a doubt in my mind that Ark State, WKU, South Alabama, Delaware, Georgia State, Texas State are all ahead of Troy on the pecking order. I'm not even sure the Sunbelt will survive when its all said and done. That might be why Benson hasnt handed out any invites.....he knows whats coming.
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(03-14-2013 06:40 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 05:09 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 11:50 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 01:07 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 08:19 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  I guess I'm not in my "right mind" then...LOL. I would much rather play MTSU, La Tech, Southern Miss, ODU, Charlotte, FIU/FAU over the likes of Tulame, Temple, SMU etc. Sorry but those schools do nothing for me. Gets old to watch CUSA games on TV at those venues with nobody in the stands or in the arena.

I hate to see UCF and ECU go for historic/rivalry reasons but they have to do what they think is best for them. I can see good rivalries forming with this new group. A tighter geographic grouping of schools that will have just as good or better basketball, and the potential that we could surpass the American 12 with a larger TV deal from Fox after our current deal runs out in 2016. Especially if we have some school in CUSA step up run the table occasionally and get one of the better bowl bids.

There is absolutley no way I would support a move to the American 12. Could not justify the investment to leave CUSA and the investment to enter a league that has no real direction or stability. A league that is starting from the ground up with a new name and widespread travel. An absolute lateral move at best. Sorry. It is what it is. The only remaining attraction or value is gone (The Big East Name) or soon to be gone (Cincy)

No need to flame me fellas.....just my opinion. Everyone has one. Calling it like I see it.


"Try to discover
The road to success
And you'll seek but never find,
But blaze your own path
And the road to success
Will trail right behind."
~ Robert Brault

It's easy to pretend your in paradise when you know your not even on the short list of candidates.

If this group of schools is so great why didn't Marshall leave conference USA to join the more regional "Slum Belt" as you guys called it a few years ago. There is nothing wrong with being content with reality but no need to lie about your situation.

The fact that the A-12 will be on ESPN getting two mil per year alone justifies moving up.


How do you know that we weren't on the short list of candidates?

The bottom line.....you are obviously upset over the current situation of being left out. You would give your left nut to be part of CUSA and be in our situation. Enjoy whats left of the scumbelt! Hahahah

I'm not upset about anything bro I didn't get left out of anything. Troy may have got left out of moving up but that's just one of the schools I have attended. And how do I know? I can probably grab a monkey from the zoo that knows it's Tulsa or USM, and no one else. And even if we waited five years UNCC and ODU have a much better chance of getting in the A12 than Marshall.

But feel free to make all the country Troy jokes you want 03-lmfao I don't care I'm glad to be out of Troy.

Good thing you arent upset because Troy is most definitely not on anybodys list for CUSA. You guys might be better off swallowing your pride and dropping back to FCS. Not a doubt in my mind that Ark State, WKU, South Alabama, Delaware, Georgia State, Texas State are all ahead of Troy on the pecking order. I'm not even sure the Sunbelt will survive when its all said and done. That might be why Benson hasnt handed out any invites.....he knows whats coming.

03-lmfao

His attempt to make himself feel better by talking about a school in a worse situation. Weren't the adults talking about the A12 and Conference USA? Join us when your done with whatever it is you think your doing lol.

Fyi I'm not you guys my degree did not come from Troy.
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(03-13-2013 02:02 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Increasing your academic perception by being associated with the biggest and best academic brands in your state and region.

If this were true, Rice would not still be sitting on the bench waiting for a call-up.
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(03-16-2013 10:03 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 02:02 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Increasing your academic perception by being associated with the biggest and best academic brands in your state and region.

If this were true, Rice would not still be sitting on the bench waiting for a call-up.

Quoted for truth. Considering the Owls' recent bowl history, the dominant baseball program and market size, you would have thought they would have been considered long ago.
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(03-17-2013 01:17 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 10:03 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 02:02 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Increasing your academic perception by being associated with the biggest and best academic brands in your state and region.

If this were true, Rice would not still be sitting on the bench waiting for a call-up.

Quoted for truth. Considering the Owls' recent bowl history, the dominant baseball program and market size, you would have thought they would have been considered long ago.

I think SMU has succeeded in playing Pepsi to Rice's Coke. They're not Rice academically. In my mind, it's not even close. But apparently they're close enough that, if the price is right, they get to be the "smart, urban Texas school" in whatever conference is getting created on any given day.

I see the same thing happening to USM. We worked and worked for decades to build a brand and a history, only to have ESPN / John Marinatto decide that, if you squinted right, USF and UCF were basically the same as USM but with bigger media markets. It's implausible if you're a football fan, just like it's implausible that anyone would ever order a Bourbon and Pepsi. But then you go to restaurants, and all you can get is, in many cases, Pepsi. And most braindead idiots out there overlook it.
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Tulane has played Pepsi to Rice's Coke for a long time now. SMU is a different animal than either of those two - although there are a number of similarities that exist between SMU and Rice/Tulane.
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(03-19-2013 09:52 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Tulane has played Pepsi to Rice's Coke for a long time now. SMU is a different animal than either of those two - although there are a number of similarities that exist between SMU and Rice/Tulane.

You could argue that Tulane and Rice are more similar... SMU has its religious affiliation, and also seems a lot preppier than the other two schools. However, I was thinking that the networks / conferences looked at SMU and Rice as fungible, because they're both private schools in Texas. Really, the overall problem here is that the business analysis being done is oversimplified. SMU is not Rice, nor is Coke Pepsi, but if you're an executive at ESPN/Taco Bell...
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There is a fairly strong contingent of USM fans and donors who are very focused on getting into an AQ conference, and this has been true for decades. The people I'm thinking of don't rule out anything other than probably the SEC, Pac 12, and B1G, and they only rule those last two out for geographic (and maybe academic) reasons. I'm not sure to what extent recent events have brought these people down to earth.

Personally, I'm not ruling anything out, but there are some fundamental changes that would have to be made. In my mind, we'd have to expand our stadium, and then market our games to visiting fans as a destination. I saw a lot of Boise State fans headed to New Orleans after our game last year... that would have to be our package to sell people. We might even have to play some "home" games in the Superdome. We've always drawn well there, and AQ schools seem to bring fans there in large numbers.

Much of this would be a big "**** you" to certain Hattiesburg businesses and politicians in my opinion, but it's well-deserved. USM had a large stadium expansion voted down by the people of Hattiesburg circa 2002, back when it really could have made a difference. My recollection is that the hotel and restaurant people would have been taxed, and they led the charge against our expansion.
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