On Monday afternoon in Kentucky, Liberty's women's tennis team defeated WKU in a shutout, 5-0.

http://www.liberty.edu/flames/index.cfm?...&TeamID=13


"But no one cares about women's tennis!!!" says the Sunbelt peanut gallery. Sure, I agree with you, no one cares about women's tennis in the large scheme of conference realignment, but as a purely objective example of competitiveness and athletic fit, one can argue we have a better women's tennis program than WKU...

Objectivity....one would think a group of fans from these prestigious Sun Belt research universities would show a bit more of it...isn't that what big state school research factories are supposed to teach? I keep hearing "Liberty is not a good fit athletically for the Sun Belt" with purely subjective arguments to back it up. Also note there are more sports out there than football/basketball, believe it or not.

Nobody cares about women's tennis.

Are you really trying to use womens tennis to show your value to the belt?

Congratulations, Liberty women, but that doesn't get LU into the SBC. Just saying.

Liberty is already being brought up in conference talks by the presidents according to many sources, no reason to pimp ladies tennis on the SBC forum.

If we are going by women's sports than our softball team should have had us in the SEC years ago.

(03-12-2013 09:07 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  I keep hearing "Liberty is not a good fit athletically for the Sun Belt" with purely subjective arguments to back it up.

No, you really don't keep hearing that as the Sun Belt is by no means an athletic powerhouse. The objections are cultural, so no call for objectivity is ever going to matter.

(03-12-2013 09:07 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  On Monday afternoon in Kentucky, Liberty's women's tennis team defeated WKU in a shutout, 5-0.

http://www.liberty.edu/flames/index.cfm?...&TeamID=13


"But no one cares about women's tennis!!!" says the Sunbelt peanut gallery. Sure, I agree with you, no one cares about women's tennis in the large scheme of conference realignment, but as a purely objective example of competitiveness and athletic fit, one can argue we have a better women's tennis program than WKU...

Objectivity....one would think a group of fans from these prestigious Sun Belt research universities would show a bit more of it...isn't that what big state school research factories are supposed to teach? I keep hearing "Liberty is not a good fit athletically for the Sun Belt" with purely subjective arguments to back it up. Also note there are more sports out there than football/basketball, believe it or not.

You are a very biased person, obviously.

(03-12-2013 09:07 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Also note there are more sports out there than football/basketball, believe it or not.

I, and many others but not all, have a vested in football. You bring nothing to the table for me personally so I'm not going to support you. Basketball and Baseball carry some weight too, but not as much as football, and the rest don't combine to have as much weight as any in The Big 3 (The Big 4 for some with WBB, I don't get it but I'll respect it).

The conference heads don't look at it the same as I do, so you might have an in. With them it's all about money, not always whether you're a winning program. Georgia State is a prime example. Big market, terrible football.

But I personally don't want Liberty in the SBC and it has nothing to do with cultural or religious differences. Couldn't care less.

(03-12-2013 09:07 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  On Monday afternoon in Kentucky, Liberty's women's tennis team defeated WKU in a shutout, 5-0.

http://www.liberty.edu/flames/index.cfm?...&TeamID=13


"But no one cares about women's tennis!!!" says the Sunbelt peanut gallery. Sure, I agree with you, no one cares about women's tennis in the large scheme of conference realignment, but as a purely objective example of competitiveness and athletic fit, one can argue we have a better women's tennis program than WKU...

Objectivity....one would think a group of fans from these prestigious Sun Belt research universities would show a bit more of it...isn't that what big state school research factories are supposed to teach? I keep hearing "Liberty is not a good fit athletically for the Sun Belt" with purely subjective arguments to back it up. Also note there are more sports out there than football/basketball, believe it or not.

I personally don't see the big deal about Liberty. I think they're probably a better fit for the SBC then Georgia Southern (SB already has GA State).

I don't understand the argument against it being a religious school. Who cares. It's not like you have to convert to attend a game there. As an athiest, they're no whackier than BYU or Notre Dame or TCU or any # of church-affliated colleges. Not trying to start a war here, just want to point out that one man's religion is another man's wierd cult, and vice-versa.

Plus, it gets the SBC into Virginia - which expands the footprint and adds potentially several million TV sets. Georgia Southern adds nothing.

I drove through the Lynchburg area, it's a beautiful area and not that hard to get to. (not any harder to get to than Statesboro or Boone, or Monroe or Troy for that matter).

I'd go AppSt and Liberty if I was Benson.

In fact, based on your op you don't even understand what objectivity is...

I live an hour from Liberty so I'm somewhat familiar with it and feel like I can be somewhat objective. Athletically Ithink Liberty could compete in the Sun Belt. They would obviously have some catching up to do on the football field, they're not as good now as ASU, GSU or JMU but not altogether bad. If they had been able to keep Rocco last year I think theey could have been a playoff team. What they do have is deep pockets and a desire to invest in athletics so that ground, I feel, could be made up quicker than some.

The question is more of an institutional fit both being a private school and being politically controversial. Not to mention it's not exactly in the footprint of the Belt. From a purely selfish standpoint I'd rather JMU be the 4th VA FBS school and stop there but I'm not sure Liberty will be thwarted in the long run.

I did not even know we had a tennis team...Must be a club sport and not NCAA....Crap does this count IN bodas cup standing?

Objectively. Liberty is never getting into the SBC with its current membership configuration.

(03-12-2013 09:22 AM)RaiderDoug Wrote:  I don't understand the argument against it being a religious school. Who cares. It's not like you have to convert to attend a game there. As an athiest, they're no whackier than BYU or Notre Dame or TCU or any # of church-affliated colleges. Not trying to start a war here, just want to point out that one man's religion is another man's wierd cult, and vice-versa.

My point exactly, +2.

(03-12-2013 09:17 AM)GaSouthern Wrote:  Liberty is already being brought up in conference talks by the presidents according to many sources, no reason to pimp ladies tennis on the SBC forum.

Can you site these sources so I can see them? Tired of hearing that "there is no smoke".

(03-12-2013 09:22 AM)RaiderDoug Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 09:07 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  On Monday afternoon in Kentucky, Liberty's women's tennis team defeated WKU in a shutout, 5-0.

http://www.liberty.edu/flames/index.cfm?...&TeamID=13


"But no one cares about women's tennis!!!" says the Sunbelt peanut gallery. Sure, I agree with you, no one cares about women's tennis in the large scheme of conference realignment, but as a purely objective example of competitiveness and athletic fit, one can argue we have a better women's tennis program than WKU...

Objectivity....one would think a group of fans from these prestigious Sun Belt research universities would show a bit more of it...isn't that what big state school research factories are supposed to teach? I keep hearing "Liberty is not a good fit athletically for the Sun Belt" with purely subjective arguments to back it up. Also note there are more sports out there than football/basketball, believe it or not.

I personally don't see the big deal about Liberty. I think they're probably a better fit for the SBC then Georgia Southern (SB already has GA State).

I don't understand the argument against it being a religious school. Who cares. It's not like you have to convert to attend a game there. As an athiest, they're no whackier than BYU or Notre Dame or TCU or any # of church-affliated colleges. Not trying to start a war here, just want to point out that one man's religion is another man's wierd cult, and vice-versa.

Plus, it gets the SBC into Virginia - which expands the footprint and adds potentially several million TV sets. Georgia Southern adds nothing.

I drove through the Lynchburg area, it's a beautiful area and not that hard to get to. (not any harder to get to than Statesboro or Boone, or Monroe or Troy for that matter).

I'd go AppSt and Liberty if I was Benson.

Thanks for the time to think this through and not just rule LU out because of religious or political stances. There is soooo much more to Liberty!

(03-12-2013 09:47 AM)knucklehead Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 09:22 AM)RaiderDoug Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 09:07 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  On Monday afternoon in Kentucky, Liberty's women's tennis team defeated WKU in a shutout, 5-0.

http://www.liberty.edu/flames/index.cfm?...&TeamID=13


"But no one cares about women's tennis!!!" says the Sunbelt peanut gallery. Sure, I agree with you, no one cares about women's tennis in the large scheme of conference realignment, but as a purely objective example of competitiveness and athletic fit, one can argue we have a better women's tennis program than WKU...

Objectivity....one would think a group of fans from these prestigious Sun Belt research universities would show a bit more of it...isn't that what big state school research factories are supposed to teach? I keep hearing "Liberty is not a good fit athletically for the Sun Belt" with purely subjective arguments to back it up. Also note there are more sports out there than football/basketball, believe it or not.

I personally don't see the big deal about Liberty. I think they're probably a better fit for the SBC then Georgia Southern (SB already has GA State).

I don't understand the argument against it being a religious school. Who cares. It's not like you have to convert to attend a game there. As an athiest, they're no whackier than BYU or Notre Dame or TCU or any # of church-affliated colleges. Not trying to start a war here, just want to point out that one man's religion is another man's wierd cult, and vice-versa.

Plus, it gets the SBC into Virginia - which expands the footprint and adds potentially several million TV sets. Georgia Southern adds nothing.

I drove through the Lynchburg area, it's a beautiful area and not that hard to get to. (not any harder to get to than Statesboro or Boone, or Monroe or Troy for that matter).

I'd go AppSt and Liberty if I was Benson.

Thanks for the time to think this through and not just rule LU out because of religious or political stances. There is soooo much more to Liberty!

Translation: thank you for agreeing completely with my main desire for my school's football team!

So if our men's tennis team beats Vanderbilt, does that mean we get into the SEC?!

(03-12-2013 09:50 AM)galojah Wrote:  So if our men's tennis team beats Vanderbilt, does that mean we get into the SEC?!