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(03-11-2013 10:28 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Isn't Pearl still on a show cause penalty?

And Floyd hasn't been announced to USC?

And what does Pearl have to do with Floyd to do with Troy anyway?

You see, a guy named Homer wrote a poem about a city named Troy. And a guy named Floyd wanted all the Pearls they had in the city, so Floyd built a horse as a gift for so he could get the Pearls...wait...nope, that's not right. So I don't know either.

I'm glad Troy got a new arena and it was way past time for a new coach. They remind me of Samford. The Bulldogs made improvements under their new coach and have a newer arena as well. I'd like to see Troy dominate the Belt and our rivalry continue. Then wins would mean something and help rpi. I like the rivalry with them. I want UAB to be the undisputed best bball program in this state, but it means more when the other teams are good as well.

As I understand the process, "show cause" means that if a school wants to hire Pearl, they have to get the NCAA enforcement people to agree to it. How close is Bruce Pearl to the end of that "sentence"? He might get "time off" for "good behavior" like convicts do in Alabama prisons.

Tim Floyd is a BBHC who has had NCAA problems in the past and Pearl MIGHT be watching to see if he is successful at returning to the "Big Time" program @ USC. Very few of such coaches in major collegiate sports pull it off.

If Floyd is NOT successful in his bid to return to the "Big Time" @ USC or any other school, Pearl MAY decide to wait for a "Power Conference" job to mark his return to coaching - Troy doesn't fit that definition. If schools like Troy are his only offers, he would probably stay with his job on TV, if that remains viable.

Now kiddies, that is how the story could turn out.

Show cause means that you agree that if you hire the guy and he breaks the rules, you get it in the neck. You're hiring a guy with a repeated bad NCAA violation and enforcement record, and if he steps over the line your school gets hammered, because you were idiot enough to hire a known advertised, you-were-warned-you-morons repeat offender.

No appeal, no wiggleroom, just hammered.

And my throwing Pearl out there was a joke, nothing more, not a subject for debate. No way, nohow.

Quote:Now kiddies, that is how the story could turn out.

This old dog still has teeth!

(03-11-2013 11:01 AM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  As I understand the process, "show cause" means that if a school wants to hire Pearl, they have to get the NCAA enforcement people to agree to it. How close is Bruce Pearl to the end of that "sentence"? He might get "time off" for "good behavior" like convicts do in Alabama prisons.

Tim Floyd is a BBHC who has had NCAA problems in the past and Pearl MIGHT be watching to see if he is successful at returning to the "Big Time" program @ USC. Very few of such coaches in major collegiate sports pull it off.

If Floyd is NOT successful in his bid to return to the "Big Time" @ USC or any other school, Pearl MAY decide to wait for a "Power Conference" job to mark his return to coaching - Troy doesn't fit that definition. If schools like Troy are his only offers, he would probably stay with his job on TV, if that remains viable.

Now kiddies, that is how the story could turn out.

Floyd's and Pearl's NCAA problems are not remotely comparable though. And Floyd is a well-respected coach, while Pearl is perceived as a crazy person. It's reasonable to believe Floyd will get another big-time job. Pearl won't. He better stick to TV.

Quote:Pearl is perceived as a crazy person.

Pearl would have been instantly forgiven for the barbecues and the hostess-whores and even the lying to the NCAA. He will never be forgiven for breaking the code of omerta.

His show cause runs until 2014, so I'm guessing Troy picks a different retread. Given their wannabammer yearnings I'd place my bet on David Hobbs.

No coach under a show cause has ever been hired by a school. Very few have ever been hired after the show cause expired.

(03-11-2013 11:27 AM)58-56 Wrote:  

Quote:Pearl is perceived as a crazy person.

Pearl would have been instantly forgiven for the barbecues and the hostess-whores and even the lying to the NCAA. He will never be forgiven for breaking the code of omerta.

His show cause runs until 2014, so I'm guessing Troy picks a different retread. Given their wannabammer yearnings I'd place my bet on David Hobbs.

Well, I hope so. There's not a single thing wrong with the first things in your list. In fact, the world would be infinitely better off if there were more of each.

The only coach I know of returning to a head coaching position is Todd Bozeman. He went under an eight year show cause and returned to coaching ten years later.

Other than that, you have guys like Kelvin Sampson and Jim Tressell who move to the pro ranks to find a job. Its just too big a risk for a school to hire someone under a show cause penalty.

Not quite the same thing, but Donnie Jones at UCF retained his job and is under a show-cause order. I'll be very glad to have that dirty program out of our conference.

Pearl's show cause expires 8-23-14. I'm torn on what the NCAA would do. On one hand coaching in Troy would be a more severe punishment than not coaching. On the other hand I'm fairly certain being forced to work Troy would hold up in court as being a violation of pearls 8th amendment rights

Unless Bruce Pearl is extremely desperate for ANY coaching job, I doubt that the Sun Belt level of school tempts him very much. His situation was an opportunity to explore the ins and outs of the "Show Cause" issue.

As related in this thread, "Show Cause" seems to have the same chilling effect on one's future employment opportunities as the onerous "Blacklist" practice declared illegal many years ago (but some say it is still actually in practice in an informal way in business today). In this case, it seems to be a more passive threatening presence than the old "active " blacklist that physically existed and was circulated among businessmen to keep labor union organizers under control.

(03-11-2013 03:59 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  As related in this thread, "Show Cause" seems to have the same chilling effect on one's future employment opportunities as the onerous "Blacklist" practice declared illegal many years ago (but some say it is still actually in practice in an informal way in business today). In this case, it seems to be a more passive threatening presence than the old "active " blacklist that physically existed and was circulated among businessmen to keep labor union organizers under control.

Whether on paper or not, I assure you it is alive and well.

(03-11-2013 03:59 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  Unless Bruce Pearl is extremely desperate for ANY coaching job, I doubt that the Sun Belt level of school tempts him very much. His situation was an opportunity to explore the ins and outs of the "Show Cause" issue.

As related in this thread, "Show Cause" seems to have the same chilling effect on one's future employment opportunities as the onerous "Blacklist" practice declared illegal many years ago (but some say it is still actually in practice in an informal way in business today). In this case, it seems to be a more passive threatening presence than the old "active " blacklist that physically existed and was circulated among businessmen to keep labor union organizers under control.

It's a moot point.

Troy is going to go after a DII coach, like Tom Ryan of Eckerd College.

The language in the show-cause penalty is unique but clear: A school could face its own penalties just for giving Pearl a job.

Pearl and the assistants under him are banned from participating in any and all recruiting activities defined by bylaw13.02.13, which prohibits them from contacting recruits until August of 2014

Thus Pearl would not be allowed to talk, text,or call to any recruit ON or OFF campus. If he said Hi until they are enrolled - a violation. So no recruiting for NEXT two years. Any School would also face penalities for simply hiring him. MB is right No school has EVER hired a coach while the order is in effect. According to wikipedia, only ONE coach has been hired after the order has expired (a decade later).

The NCAA may be the least of his problems, Off the court he has the marrage habits of Petrino the drinking habits of Price and likes to get drunk with coeds like Floyd !!! Just google to see

I'll say this yet again... there has been no talk of Troy hiring Pearl. None. It was a joke.

"It's a joke, son!" /Foghorn Leghorn off

Yeesh

I recognized it as a joke, but I think some ran with it.

(03-12-2013 09:09 AM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  I'll say this yet again... there has been no talk of Troy hiring Pearl. None. It was a joke.

"It's a joke, son!" /Foghorn Leghorn off

Yeesh

I understand it was a joke but every talk show for ever opening whether at Troy or Auburn/UAT(where they are disappointed with current coach) or all the future openings anywhere this spring, Pearl is always one of the first one talked about. But Preal is going nowhere for two years, if then.