(03-10-2013 09:01 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 06:14 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  I really don't think the WAC will invite a bunch of Summit football schools. Doubt that will be an option for them. I'm fine with it, I guess, if you want to have basically a Summit division and a WAC division, but I don't think there is much appetite for a bunch of trips to the frozen tundra. It depends on if Chicago St, UTPA, and UMKC want to play in North and South Dakota, or at Phoenix, Salt Lake, and Seattle.

Dug would take NDSU into the Big Sky. No way a FCS football first league like the BSC passes up on them. Not sure what the others would do.

The problem with the Summit is that the 3 Dakota schools (small markets, don't help recruiting) make it unattractive for expansion (SIUE, NKU rejected offers straight from DII). The Summit needed a Minnesota DII to move up to make it more attractive, but that's too late now.

The WAC is less a geographically cohesive conference than the Big Sky that needs full members, especially with Idaho departing and NMSU likely gone too. Moreover, the Big Sky was burned by the South Dakota Board or Regents once - SD schools have made it clear they prefer something other than the Big Sky. Why relive that again? Adding 3 more Dakota schools to the Big Sky would cause a lot of consternation among the western 11. Moreover, UNC didn't have a natural travel partner that didn't break up better travel partners until UND came aboard.

If NMSU does get a football only to the Belt. Then the WAC doesn't need members. Maybe add Omaha just to get to 10. But there would be no room for 3 Dakota schools.

If NMSU leaves, then who knows, maybe the WAC adds Omaha and 3 the three Dakota schools to get to 12. But why? UMKC left because they don't want to play in obscure locales. I'm already pissed that CSUB has to play in a baseball league with crappy programs like NoCo and UND. Now you're going to add a bunch more crappy baseball teams? That sucks.

NDSU and SDSU have good basketball programs, that isn't the point. The issue is how do they help the WAC? It's still a 1 bid league, and NDSU and SDSU don't help with exposure or money.

(03-10-2013 10:19 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  NDSU and SDSU have good basketball programs, that isn't the point. The issue is how do they help the WAC? It's still a 1 bid league, and NDSU and SDSU don't help with exposure or money.

The same issues apply to the Big Sky. UND already has more programming on the Dakota regional cable network than either USD or SDSU (NDSU doesn't have a deal), so adding any Summit Dakota school doesn't add exposure or money to the Big Sky.

(03-10-2013 10:14 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 09:54 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:36 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:31 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:18 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  WIU would likely push for Ohio Valley if the OVC loses Belmont-with EIU already in the conference, this obviously works from a geography standpoint.

Assuming all of IUPUI, IPFW, and Oakland have departed, the remaining five have limited options. The Big Sky would probably be best served by a "soft merger" with the Summit. The Big Sky would essentially split so that both the Summit and Big Sky would be FCS conferences.

Summit - UND, NDSU, Denver*, Omaha*, USD, SDSU, Montana, Montana State, Northern Colorado (plus the 5 MVFC schools for football only)

Big Sky - EWU, Idaho*, Idaho State, Weber State, SUU, NAU, Portland State, Sacramento State (plus UC Davis and Cal Poly for football only)

The Big Sky could negotiate a long-term scheduling agreement where the schools that left commit to a certain number of Big Sky opponents annually-that guarantees teams still get a home football game against Montana every now and then.

UNA already wants in the OVC and is a top D-II school, so the timing would have to be right. Meaning Belmont goes to the MVC and at the same time the Summit gets HL invites thus killing the Summit. otherwise UNA will probably fill the hole.

Not sure the summit will have enough time to move someone up

Yeah, I know, I'm talking about the timing of a Belmont move to the MVC followed by HL moving on the Summit at the same time. If not then WIU won't feel compelled to jump, and the OVC would take UNA who has been waiting for the OVC invite for over a year.

There's a number of schools to the east and south that may want in the OVC (UTC, Kennesaw St, ETSU) that UNA may never get a shot to replace Belmont.

ETSU, Kennesaw St., and Mercer are rumored along w/ VMI as replacements for the SoCon.

(03-10-2013 09:38 PM)MSUBear42 Wrote:  Not going to read through 6 pages, so here is my take on this...

It could be the beginning of the collapse of the MVC. Elgin has not shown me that he's capable of being proactive in making any decisions. He sat on his hands for way too long and now the whole conference may pay the price. You can't lose your #1 and replace it with some of the mentioned schools, you just cant. Then you factor in the unknowables right now (Could Evansville be leaving? Illinois State? MO State?) and it's a bad situation.

That said, Belmont would be my top choice. Good market in Nashville and pretty solid programs all around.

Belmont doesn't have a good all-sports program. They would get killed in the MVC. It would be a worse move than adding Evansville.

(03-10-2013 08:52 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:33 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 05:33 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 01:45 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  Either way, killing the Summit is a problem for the football members of the MVC. I'm pretty sure that will factor in on who they vote to add to the MVC.

The eastern MVFC schools did not want NDSU in the conference because that game requires a flight instead of a bus ride. The way NDSU got in is by agreeing to a schedule where schools like Indiana St do not have to travel to Fargo much.

If the Summit dissolves, the Summit football schools would likely be forced to move the olympic sports into the WAC (but not for football obviously). The schools with dual MVFC/Summit membership would change to MVFC/WAC members. Youngstown St has a MVFC/Horizon membership. YSU's Horizon membership is irrelevant to the MVFC.

Completely and totally wrong. When NDSU joined the MVFC every team played each other. Not sure what would happen if the Summit dissolved, I'd guess NDSU would try to get into the Big Sky at that point.

The concern over adding NDSU was that some schools didn't want to add another strong program to the league. Travel concerns played a role when USD was admitted.

There you go again rewriting history.

NDSU barely had votes to get in - only by the insistence of SDSU did NDSU get in - because there were concerns about air travel costs and because NDSU was seen as a high risk to want in the Big Sky. Therefore, the MVFC slapped much higher exit fees on NDSU (and SDSU) then other schools. Look it up to refresh your mind.

You constantly try to rewrite history, every time NDSU is brought up you spin and spin.

There were schools that didn't want NDSU in because they thought the MVFC was tough enough. One AD even said something like NDSU has Big 12 caliber facilities. I'm not saying a school like Indiana State didn't have issues with travel but there were other concerns which you neglect probably because they make NDSU look good and don't fit your narrative.

(03-10-2013 10:50 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 09:38 PM)MSUBear42 Wrote:  Not going to read through 6 pages, so here is my take on this...

It could be the beginning of the collapse of the MVC. Elgin has not shown me that he's capable of being proactive in making any decisions. He sat on his hands for way too long and now the whole conference may pay the price. You can't lose your #1 and replace it with some of the mentioned schools, you just cant. Then you factor in the unknowables right now (Could Evansville be leaving? Illinois State? MO State?) and it's a bad situation.

That said, Belmont would be my top choice. Good market in Nashville and pretty solid programs all around.

Belmont doesn't have a good all-sports program. They would get killed in the MVC. It would be a worse move than adding Evansville.

They also have few fans, not even 5k at the OVC title game in their city. Not exactly MVC material.....But every school the MVC could add has issues.

(03-10-2013 10:52 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:52 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:33 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 05:33 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 01:45 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  Either way, killing the Summit is a problem for the football members of the MVC. I'm pretty sure that will factor in on who they vote to add to the MVC.

The eastern MVFC schools did not want NDSU in the conference because that game requires a flight instead of a bus ride. The way NDSU got in is by agreeing to a schedule where schools like Indiana St do not have to travel to Fargo much.

If the Summit dissolves, the Summit football schools would likely be forced to move the olympic sports into the WAC (but not for football obviously). The schools with dual MVFC/Summit membership would change to MVFC/WAC members. Youngstown St has a MVFC/Horizon membership. YSU's Horizon membership is irrelevant to the MVFC.

Completely and totally wrong. When NDSU joined the MVFC every team played each other. Not sure what would happen if the Summit dissolved, I'd guess NDSU would try to get into the Big Sky at that point.

The concern over adding NDSU was that some schools didn't want to add another strong program to the league. Travel concerns played a role when USD was admitted.

There you go again rewriting history.

NDSU barely had votes to get in - only by the insistence of SDSU did NDSU get in - because there were concerns about air travel costs and because NDSU was seen as a high risk to want in the Big Sky. Therefore, the MVFC slapped much higher exit fees on NDSU (and SDSU) then other schools. Look it up to refresh your mind.

You constantly try to rewrite history, every time NDSU is brought up you spin and spin.

There were schools that didn't want NDSU in because they thought the MVFC was tough enough. One AD even said something like NDSU has Big 12 caliber facilities. I'm not saying a school like Indiana State didn't have issues with travel but there were other concerns which you neglect probably because they make NDSU look good and don't' fit your narrative.

The rest of us know how good you are at fb and bball. Just in a bad location. UND fans are mad that they didn't move up earlier along w/ you so maybe they could be where you are on the field right now.

(03-10-2013 10:52 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:52 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:33 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 05:33 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 01:45 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  Either way, killing the Summit is a problem for the football members of the MVC. I'm pretty sure that will factor in on who they vote to add to the MVC.

The eastern MVFC schools did not want NDSU in the conference because that game requires a flight instead of a bus ride. The way NDSU got in is by agreeing to a schedule where schools like Indiana St do not have to travel to Fargo much.

If the Summit dissolves, the Summit football schools would likely be forced to move the olympic sports into the WAC (but not for football obviously). The schools with dual MVFC/Summit membership would change to MVFC/WAC members. Youngstown St has a MVFC/Horizon membership. YSU's Horizon membership is irrelevant to the MVFC.

Completely and totally wrong. When NDSU joined the MVFC every team played each other. Not sure what would happen if the Summit dissolved, I'd guess NDSU would try to get into the Big Sky at that point.

The concern over adding NDSU was that some schools didn't want to add another strong program to the league. Travel concerns played a role when USD was admitted.

There you go again rewriting history.

NDSU barely had votes to get in - only by the insistence of SDSU did NDSU get in - because there were concerns about air travel costs and because NDSU was seen as a high risk to want in the Big Sky. Therefore, the MVFC slapped much higher exit fees on NDSU (and SDSU) then other schools. Look it up to refresh your mind.

You constantly try to rewrite history, every time NDSU is brought up you spin and spin.

There were schools that didn't want NDSU in because they thought the MVFC was tough enough. One AD even said something like NDSU has Big 12 caliber facilities. I'm not saying a school like Indiana State didn't have issues with travel but there were other concerns which you neglect probably because they make NDSU look good and don't' fit your narrative.

The MVFC was always fine with 8 teams, and only needed one when WKU left. NDSU wasn't exactly wanted for a number of reasons, including travel as well as NDSU's football facilities, and was only by the insistence of SDSU that they got in. Travel to SDSU by bus is possible for more MVFC football teams than the extra hours to Fargo.

The real issue here and other boards is that you constantly pumped NDSU as a real MVC candidate, and I said that was absolutely not in the cards. That's the issue you have with me. BTW, NDSU hasn't been listed by any credible source as going to the MVC, which is the topic here. Your AD himself states it isn't happening, and yet you and other Bison fans continue to delusionally believe that an NDSU invite to the MVC can happen. You are the one believing a narrative that isn't possible at this time.

All the cheerleading on this board or other boards isn't going to change the fact that NDSU will not get votes of any MVC presidents at this this time. Sorry if the facts hurt your feelings. Such is life.

(03-10-2013 10:55 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 10:52 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:52 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:33 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 05:33 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The eastern MVFC schools did not want NDSU in the conference because that game requires a flight instead of a bus ride. The way NDSU got in is by agreeing to a schedule where schools like Indiana St do not have to travel to Fargo much.

If the Summit dissolves, the Summit football schools would likely be forced to move the olympic sports into the WAC (but not for football obviously). The schools with dual MVFC/Summit membership would change to MVFC/WAC members. Youngstown St has a MVFC/Horizon membership. YSU's Horizon membership is irrelevant to the MVFC.

Completely and totally wrong. When NDSU joined the MVFC every team played each other. Not sure what would happen if the Summit dissolved, I'd guess NDSU would try to get into the Big Sky at that point.

The concern over adding NDSU was that some schools didn't want to add another strong program to the league. Travel concerns played a role when USD was admitted.

There you go again rewriting history.

NDSU barely had votes to get in - only by the insistence of SDSU did NDSU get in - because there were concerns about air travel costs and because NDSU was seen as a high risk to want in the Big Sky. Therefore, the MVFC slapped much higher exit fees on NDSU (and SDSU) then other schools. Look it up to refresh your mind.

You constantly try to rewrite history, every time NDSU is brought up you spin and spin.

There were schools that didn't want NDSU in because they thought the MVFC was tough enough. One AD even said something like NDSU has Big 12 caliber facilities. I'm not saying a school like Indiana State didn't have issues with travel but there were other concerns which you neglect probably because they make NDSU look good and don't' fit your narrative.

The rest of us know how good you are at fb and bball. Just in a bad location. UND fans are mad that they didn't move up earlier along w/ you so maybe they could be where you are on the field right now.

Just wanted to point out what actually happened. There were multiple issues with NDSU when they were admitted, it wasn't solely about location.

Travel didn't become a big concern with the MVFC until USD was added, then schools had to take multiple trips to the Dakotas instead of just one.

(03-10-2013 11:02 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 10:52 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:52 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:33 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 05:33 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The eastern MVFC schools did not want NDSU in the conference because that game requires a flight instead of a bus ride. The way NDSU got in is by agreeing to a schedule where schools like Indiana St do not have to travel to Fargo much.

If the Summit dissolves, the Summit football schools would likely be forced to move the olympic sports into the WAC (but not for football obviously). The schools with dual MVFC/Summit membership would change to MVFC/WAC members. Youngstown St has a MVFC/Horizon membership. YSU's Horizon membership is irrelevant to the MVFC.

Completely and totally wrong. When NDSU joined the MVFC every team played each other. Not sure what would happen if the Summit dissolved, I'd guess NDSU would try to get into the Big Sky at that point.

The concern over adding NDSU was that some schools didn't want to add another strong program to the league. Travel concerns played a role when USD was admitted.

There you go again rewriting history.

NDSU barely had votes to get in - only by the insistence of SDSU did NDSU get in - because there were concerns about air travel costs and because NDSU was seen as a high risk to want in the Big Sky. Therefore, the MVFC slapped much higher exit fees on NDSU (and SDSU) then other schools. Look it up to refresh your mind.

You constantly try to rewrite history, every time NDSU is brought up you spin and spin.

There were schools that didn't want NDSU in because they thought the MVFC was tough enough. One AD even said something like NDSU has Big 12 caliber facilities. I'm not saying a school like Indiana State didn't have issues with travel but there were other concerns which you neglect probably because they make NDSU look good and don't' fit your narrative.

The MVFC was always fine with 8 teams, and only needed one when WKU left. NDSU wasn't exactly wanted for a number of reasons, including travel as well as NDSU's football facilities.

The real issue here and other boards is that you constantly pumped NDSU as a real MVC candidate, and I said that was absolutely not in the cards. That's the issue you have with me. BTW, NDSU hasn't been listed by any credible source as going to the MVC, which is the topic here. Your AD himself states it isn't happening, and yet you and other Bison fans continue to delusionally believe that an NDSU invite to the MVC can happen. You are the one believing a narrative that isn't possible at this time.

All the cheerleading on this board or other boards isn't going to change the fact that NDSU will not get votes of any MVC presidents at this this time.

I've always maintained the MVC would likely add a private school and go to 10. I have said NDSU only gets added with SDSU, in a move to 12 teams. Which was always a longshot.

There are multiple reports from KC media that talk about NDSU as being kicked around, which you ignore because again they don't fit your narrative of hating on NDSU. Heck two MVC ADs told one of our reporters last fall that there was some interest.

No that isn't even close to the issue I have you. All you do is spread hate about NDSU all over the internet. I get tired of it and it is why I don't typically post on this board or some other boards. I don't want to get into this petty squabble.

Blair Kerkhoff from the Kansas City Star is very respected and is well sourced within the Big 12, Summit, and MVC.

(03-10-2013 11:19 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Blair Kerkhoff from the Kansas City Star is very respected and is well sourced within the Big 12, Summit, and MVC.

Thank you for saying that, I also think somebody from FSN Midwest said NDSU was being kicked around.

(03-10-2013 11:07 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  I've always maintained the MVC would likely add a private school and go to 10. I have said NDSU only gets added with SDSU, in a move to 12 teams. Which was always a longshot.

There are multiple reports from KC media that talk about NDSU as being kicked around, which you ignore because again they don't fit your narrative of hating on NDSU. Heck two MVC ADs told one of our reporters last fall that there was some interest.

No that isn't even close to the issue I have you. All you do is spread hate about NDSU all over the internet. I get tired of it and it is why I don't typically post on this board or some other boards. I don't want to get into this petty squabble.

Yeah, hate is defined by things NDSU fans don't like. There's a reason NDSU fans are nearly universally despised on FCS boards as incredibly rude and thin-skinned.

I said UNC was getting into the Big SKy. Also said SDSU and NDSU weren't getting into the Big Sky. NDSU fans said they were locks to get in. I was hated for that , but it became true.

I said UND would get in the Big Sky. Was absolutely ridiculed for that. It became true.

The list goes on and on. You simply don't like what I post because most of the time it becomes true.

If you want to talk about hate, go visit your own board and see all the hatred there spilled by you and multiple other NDSU posters.

When your own AD tells the press weeks ago that NDSU was not on the MVC radar, and you continue with the belief that it is, guess you need to hate your own AD as much as my postings. Whine to your AD.

For one thing I never said you are never right. I just said you hate NDSU and it affects your credibility about topics concerning NDSU.

Do you really think our AD is going to blurt out to the whole world that a conference is looking at our school? He did what any AD does, say nobody has contacted us and we are happy where we are at. Whether that is true or not who knows.

(03-10-2013 01:45 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 01:20 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 01:10 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 01:05 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 12:59 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  It's not a problem if the Horizon takes NDSU and SDSU. It's a problem if they don't. If the MVC takes Denver, and the Horizon takes Oakland, the Summit is in very deep trouble and it's autobid is in jeopardy. If the Summit loses another school, it is game over. Then NDSU has to find a new conference and the MVFC loses its best program and a couple others. The MVC may not care but the football playing members of the MVC will.

If NMSU gets football only in the Sunbelt, the WAC is at 9 and fairly solid. Hurd has said they want to be either at 8,10 or 12. The WAC would add Omaha in a heartbeat. I don't think they want the Dakota schools but I am speculating and don't know that for a fact.

The WAC wants anyone who will say yes. I dont see why the Sun Belt would want NMSU for football only. They're a far outlier as it is and their basketball is worth having.

They why is Benson talking about it? Because he is.

Just because Benson is talking about it doesnt mean its a good idea.

True that. But just because it might not be a good idea doesn't mean it won't happen either. I think you are probably right that the Belt will add GSU, App St, and NMSU for all sports when WKU leaves. But it sure sounds like somebody is pushing for a CCG. The football only concept other than NMSU or Idaho that was mentioned is interesting too. It sounds like it is up in the air and hasn't been decided yet.

Either way, killing the Summit is a problem for the football members of the MVC. I'm pretty sure that will factor in on who they vote to add to the MVC.

It's clear Benson is pushing for a CCG. I think thats also a bad idea for now. The SEC game is the only one that has drawn lots of consistent interest. It would provide the SBC with marginal revenue and limited interest from our fans. Especially when you consider that the winner and loser will go to similar bowls anyway.

I like Benson and he's got good ideas. Just not all of them.

(03-10-2013 11:07 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 11:02 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 10:52 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:52 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:33 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  Completely and totally wrong. When NDSU joined the MVFC every team played each other. Not sure what would happen if the Summit dissolved, I'd guess NDSU would try to get into the Big Sky at that point.

The concern over adding NDSU was that some schools didn't want to add another strong program to the league. Travel concerns played a role when USD was admitted.

There you go again rewriting history.

NDSU barely had votes to get in - only by the insistence of SDSU did NDSU get in - because there were concerns about air travel costs and because NDSU was seen as a high risk to want in the Big Sky. Therefore, the MVFC slapped much higher exit fees on NDSU (and SDSU) then other schools. Look it up to refresh your mind.

You constantly try to rewrite history, every time NDSU is brought up you spin and spin.

There were schools that didn't want NDSU in because they thought the MVFC was tough enough. One AD even said something like NDSU has Big 12 caliber facilities. I'm not saying a school like Indiana State didn't have issues with travel but there were other concerns which you neglect probably because they make NDSU look good and don't' fit your narrative.

The MVFC was always fine with 8 teams, and only needed one when WKU left. NDSU wasn't exactly wanted for a number of reasons, including travel as well as NDSU's football facilities.

The real issue here and other boards is that you constantly pumped NDSU as a real MVC candidate, and I said that was absolutely not in the cards. That's the issue you have with me. BTW, NDSU hasn't been listed by any credible source as going to the MVC, which is the topic here. Your AD himself states it isn't happening, and yet you and other Bison fans continue to delusionally believe that an NDSU invite to the MVC can happen. You are the one believing a narrative that isn't possible at this time.

All the cheerleading on this board or other boards isn't going to change the fact that NDSU will not get votes of any MVC presidents at this this time.

I've always maintained the MVC would likely add a private school and go to 10. I have said NDSU only gets added with SDSU, in a move to 12 teams. Which was always a longshot.

There are multiple reports from KC media that talk about NDSU as being kicked around, which you ignore because again they don't fit your narrative of hating on NDSU. Heck two MVC ADs told one of our reporters last fall that there was some interest.

No that isn't even close to the issue I have you. All you do is spread hate about NDSU all over the internet. I get tired of it and it is why I don't typically post on this board or some other boards. I don't want to get into this petty squabble.

IF the MVC would go to 12, the Dakotas still aren't getting in. They will simply not get the votes anytime soon.

Belmont has to be the favorite on the surface. Attendance is definitely an issue. In a conference where fanbases are mocked for averaging less than 5k, Belmont doesn't fit. I don't know where they are from a financial standpoint. But, they have results and are in Nashville which doesn't completely suck.

The big problem with attendance is I don't know if there's a single school under consideration that averages more than 5k. Personally, I'm not overly impressed with the attendance of a number of our schools but admit I'm spoiled, so I'm not too concerned about it from the possible additions. I do think we're adding a private and would have loved Denver as they have a lot of potential for success and growth. I think Belmont is probably maxed out on the numbers, but could still be a successful program. They'd be my number 2. After that I'd go with either Valpo or ORU. Neither excite me much but are solid schools with respectable basketball.

And I continue to wish that Arlington would be looked into. There's potential there and I'd love a Texas presence in The Valley again.

(03-11-2013 12:29 AM)FargoBison Wrote:  For one thing I never said you are never right. I just said you hate NDSU and it affects your credibility about topics concerning NDSU.

Do you really think our AD is going to blurt out to the whole world that a conference is looking at our school? He did what any AD does, say nobody has contacted us and we are happy where we are at. Whether that is true or not who knows.

I have no doubt that Elgin and his loons have been in contact with the Dakotas. But the school presidents still have the final say and the votes will not be there.

(03-10-2013 05:41 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 05:36 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  I bet the Big Sky would go to 14/16(once Idaho drops to FCS) w/ NDSU and SDSU if the Summit died.

IMHO, Sac St would have to have an offer for the Big West for NDSU to get an invite (and go to 12/15). If the Big Sky sensed any future movements, maybe then it would go to 14 full members. Most schools would go decades without an autobid with 14.

I think part of the deal with Cal Poly and UC Davis's football only membership is that the Big West agreed not to approach Sac State about joining for all sports. Not sure if this is correct though. In any case, while it's true that conferences can have too many schools, I can't understand why the Big Sky would let its only California member out the door even if they are allowed to keep football in the BSC.

Sac St would get the Big West back to 10 full members (where that conference should be at IMHO), fully secure the Sacramento market and provide a natural travel partner for UC Davis.

(03-11-2013 12:32 AM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 12:29 AM)FargoBison Wrote:  For one thing I never said you are never right. I just said you hate NDSU and it affects your credibility about topics concerning NDSU.

Do you really think our AD is going to blurt out to the whole world that a conference is looking at our school? He did what any AD does, say nobody has contacted us and we are happy where we are at. Whether that is true or not who knows.

I have no doubt that Elgin and his loons have been in contact with the Dakotas. But the school presidents still have the final say and the votes will not be there.

Yeah, it seems like the private schools are dead set against NDSU so it is a non-starter really even though some of the public schools would probably place NDSU high on their list.

I don't really know which private school the MVC should add, they all seem about the same really. I do like Valpo though but nobody seems to talk about them. ORU has a good baseball program to go with basketball but I'm not sure if they are sound financial ground. Belmont has been good but I'm not sure if they could step up to the MVC's level.

(03-11-2013 12:51 AM)FargoBison Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 12:32 AM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 12:29 AM)FargoBison Wrote:  For one thing I never said you are never right. I just said you hate NDSU and it affects your credibility about topics concerning NDSU.

Do you really think our AD is going to blurt out to the whole world that a conference is looking at our school? He did what any AD does, say nobody has contacted us and we are happy where we are at. Whether that is true or not who knows.

I have no doubt that Elgin and his loons have been in contact with the Dakotas. But the school presidents still have the final say and the votes will not be there.

Yeah, it seems like the private schools are dead set against NDSU so it is a non-starter really even though some of the public schools would probably place NDSU high on their list.

I don't really know which private school the MVC should add, they all seem about the same really. I do like Valpo though but nobody seems to talk about them. ORU has a good baseball program to go with basketball but I'm not sure if they are sound financial ground. Belmont has been good but I'm not sure if they could step up to the MVC's level.

Based on the little message board hopping I do, the Dakotas don't stand a chance. I can't see Evansville or Drake voting for them. UNI fans seem to think there's no chance in hell that they'd vote for them. MSU fans seem to think the same. There's zero support from Shocker Nation. I don't think Bradley is a fan of the idea. Don't know about Southern or the ISUs. But still, you'd need 5 votes of the 9 remaining to get in.

Belmont I think could be successful in the MVC. At least with their current coach. I don't think they'd win, but they could be an upper half team. Attendance sucks.

Valpo has been mentioned in the USA today article and is solid. Probably option 3 or 4 when it comes to the privates.

Denver would be a favorite if they change their mind. A lot of people see the potential there. Perhaps they don't think they're ready to step up to the plate.

ORU has no more financial issues. A massive donation was made to get them on solid ground and leadership was changed as well. Their baseball has fallen a bit but both are solid sports. Seems like they're probably the last option right now. Well, hopefully ahead of Loyola.