Ok, results are pretty much in for the Kenpom/Sagarin/RPI bracket challenge:

In first place,

Sagarin with 68 of a possible 128 points. Correctly predicted only 4 of 8 Elite 8 teams, 1 of 4 Final Four teams and it's champion, Louisville, is still in play.

Kenpom is second with 67 of a possible 128 points. Correctly predicted 4 of 8 E8 teams, 1 of 4 F4 teams. It's champion, Florida, is out but it can still get more points with Louisville to the finals. Will still lose to Sagarin though.

RPI is last with 56 of a possible 128 points. Correctly picked only 3 of 8 E8 games, 0 of 4 F4 games. Has no F4 teams correct, so cannot garner anymore points and loses miserably.

(04-01-2013 09:37 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Ok, results are pretty much in for the Kenpom/Sagarin/RPI bracket challenge:

In first place,

Sagarin with 68 of a possible 128 points. Correctly predicted only 4 of 8 Elite 8 teams, 1 of 4 Final Four teams and it's champion, Louisville, is still in play.

Kenpom is second with 67 of a possible 128 points. Correctly predicted 4 of 8 E8 teams, 1 of 4 F4 teams. It's champion, Florida, is out but it can still get more points with Louisville to the finals. Will still lose to Sagarin though.

RPI is last with 56 of a possible 128 points. Correctly picked only 3 of 8 E8 games, 0 of 4 F4 games. Has no F4 teams correct, so cannot garner anymore points and loses miserably.

Who cares? When will you understand that the Committee doesn't care what you think. They don't use Sagarin or the RPI. Maybe you should should just use a ouija board or talk to the tooth fairy like Socrates does.

You are like a little rubber ducky in a bathtub...with a young little boy...in a bathtub...with bubbles...mmm...uh what I mean is that people laugh at you like a rubber ducky and a little boy in bubbles...

(Just figured I would sub for Stammie, since he won't respond in any logical fashion).

WOW

(04-01-2013 11:04 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 09:37 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Ok, results are pretty much in for the Kenpom/Sagarin/RPI bracket challenge:

In first place,

Sagarin with 68 of a possible 128 points. Correctly predicted only 4 of 8 Elite 8 teams, 1 of 4 Final Four teams and it's champion, Louisville, is still in play.

Kenpom is second with 67 of a possible 128 points. Correctly predicted 4 of 8 E8 teams, 1 of 4 F4 teams. It's champion, Florida, is out but it can still get more points with Louisville to the finals. Will still lose to Sagarin though.

RPI is last with 56 of a possible 128 points. Correctly picked only 3 of 8 E8 games, 0 of 4 F4 games. Has no F4 teams correct, so cannot garner anymore points and loses miserably.

Who cares? When will you understand that the Committee doesn't care what you think. They don't use Sagarin or the RPI. Maybe you should should just use a ouija board or talk to the tooth fairy like Socrates does.

You are like a little rubber ducky in a bathtub...with a young little boy...in a bathtub...with bubbles...mmm...uh what I mean is that people laugh at you like a rubber ducky and a little boy in bubbles...

(Just figured I would sub for Stammie, since he won't respond in any logical fashion).

Do coaches care about margin of victory? - No
Do coaches, play their starters when the game is decided in the last 1-3 minutes? - No
Is anything really important besides winning and losing? - No
Do Sagarin and Kenpom reward teams for losing? - Yes

The committee doesn't use Kenpom or Sagarin because they realize that they have no place in deciding who is in and out; and seeding. None of the stuff outside of winning and losing matters.

(03-27-2013 10:23 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 09:13 AM)Stammers Wrote:  You referenced the committee using Sagarin and Kenpom multiple times. In the end, they didn't use it at all. Also, you admitted that a team with a winning percentage of .400 could be superior to a team with a winning percentage of .800, assuming that both played the exact same schedule and their opponents played the exact same schedule.

In a nutshell, nothing you have said makes any sense at all.

The only way any of us have referenced Sagarin or Pomeroy in reference to the selection committee currently, is stating the fact that the committee can use "whatever they choose". The Committee members could bring their children's rankings from home, if they so wish. However, they are made to look at the RPI, because every categorical metric that they are "given" is based on the RPI.

Not one of us said that the Committee is forced to use Pomeroy or Sagarin, like they are with the RPI, although Bobinsky is quoted several times in the thread as supporting these metrics. This position is further supported by the fact that it appears that the committee simply "went by RPI rankings" for tournament invites, only snubbing Southern Miss in the RPI 50 or so.

You've lost the RPI v. Pomeroy/Sagarin debate handily, and now you're trying to change the terms of the argument: by insinuating that one or all of us have been arguing that the Selection Committee will do away with the RPI this year and use Pomeroy or Sagarin instead. This is ridiculous, and no one has stated anything close to that.

The whole point of this thread is that RPI shouldn't be used like it is, as the end-all be-all criteria for tournament inclusion because it is so flawed as a metric.

Quote:You've lost the RPI v. Pomeroy/Sagarin debate handily

I actually won the debate handily, because there is no debate. There is no place for any system that rewards teams for losing and rewards teams for running up the score. The committee rewards teams for winning and losing, as it should. That is why it is used and Sagarin and Kenpom aren't.

Hey, Bozo, the RPI rewards you for losing if you lose to teams with strong winning percentages. That's how you can manipulate the system in your favor. Don't you agree the RPI can be manipulated through scheduling? Yes, I know you do.

You were creamed in this debate and now grasping at straws to save face.

It's obvious everyone is laughing at you...because, you know, no one has been backing you up for 50+ pages. Canada must be a lonely island.

(03-23-2013 02:51 AM)Stammers Wrote:  ...

Sagarin and Kenpom are useless. None of the coaches want them used and the committee doesn't use them. If there was a reason to use them they would be.

Quote:You are so off from the original debate it's hilarious

Sure I am imbecile. I am arguing correctly that Sagarin and Kenpom have no place and the selection committee agrees with me. If either were good, you would have coaches clamoring for them; the coaches don't want any part of them.

lol

Interesting to note that Baylor rattled off 5 wins in the NIT tournament and won the damn thing.

Played Iowa in the finals too. Baylor and Iowa are ranked 24th and 26th respectively on Kenpom.

Neither RPI frontrunner (Southern Miss and La Tech, a team Stams was particularly fond of) made it to New York.

Not to beat a dead horse.

(03-23-2013 05:07 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Maybe English is his second language and he has to use the Google translator, thus leading to words like ninny. Trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but he really isn't helping himself.

Well, he's from pretty close to the North Pole...