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Imagine if the B1G picked up Missouri, Kansas and were to land OU to renew it's rivalry with Nebraska and somehow got Texas to jump into that mix. WVU , OSU with maybe KSU to SEC or ACC. Not out of realm of reality here if GOR could be gotten around.
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(02-25-2013 02:15 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Imagine if the B1G picked up Missouri, Kansas and were to land OU to renew it's rivalry with Nebraska and somehow got Texas to jump into that mix. WVU , OSU with maybe KSU to SEC or ACC. Not out of realm of reality here if GOR could be gotten around.

The ACC schools are the ones who are going to get poached first buddy. The GOR isn't the insurmountable mountain that its made out to be but it is still a significant pain in the ass.

B1G going to 16=good for Big 12

B1G going to 20=good for no one. WVU included.
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(02-25-2013 01:45 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 01:38 PM)Maize Wrote:  "If" the B1G plucks a Missouri/Kansas my guess is the SEC will try once again for Texas-(once the Longhorns say no again to the ACC/B1G & Pac 12) they would set their sights for the Eers...they would be the most willing to jump through the hoops and it gives the SEC even more into both the Pittsburgh/DC markets.

it would be over A&M's dead body before UT got in the SEC. Maybe the Oklahoma twins?

LOL - I can see it now:

Slive to TA&M: "We are inviting Texas into the conference."
TA&M: "Over our dead body!"
Slive: "You are welcome to leave at any time."
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The B10 and its network did not destroy college football, but helped accelerate it. I can only hope that they get to 20 and then after a few years the conference members fight and break it up.
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Harlan has local ties, but he's also a national guy and he's probably fairly well plugged-in. His father was the Green Bay Packers' CEO. He talked about various rumors and such that he'd heard recently while on a B1G trip, but he sounded somewhat skeptical to me. While it was on a public radio broadcast, it almost had a "shooting the breeze over a beer" kind of tone to it, rather than a "Here we go!" sort of tone. It's certainly being greeted with a lot of skepticism on the KU Scout board as well, although perhaps in part because there's a segment of our fanbase that isn't keen on the B1G.

I think any addition of KU to the B1G is very, very unlikely, and it would have to be part of some big damn deal package.
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(02-25-2013 02:35 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Harlan has local ties, but he's also a national guy and he's probably fairly well plugged-in. His father was the Green Bay Packers' CEO. He talked about various rumors and such that he'd heard recently while on a B1G trip, but he sounded somewhat skeptical to me. While it was on a public radio broadcast, it almost had a "shooting the breeze over a beer" kind of tone to it, rather than a "Here we go!" sort of tone. It's certainly being greeted with a lot of skepticism on the KU Scout board as well, although perhaps in part because there's a segment of our fanbase that isn't keen on the B1G.

I think any addition of KU to the B1G is very, very unlikely, and it would have to be part of some big damn deal package.

I just took it as more proof that the B1G is expanding soon and from yet another credible source.
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(02-25-2013 02:41 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 02:35 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Harlan has local ties, but he's also a national guy and he's probably fairly well plugged-in. His father was the Green Bay Packers' CEO. He talked about various rumors and such that he'd heard recently while on a B1G trip, but he sounded somewhat skeptical to me. While it was on a public radio broadcast, it almost had a "shooting the breeze over a beer" kind of tone to it, rather than a "Here we go!" sort of tone. It's certainly being greeted with a lot of skepticism on the KU Scout board as well, although perhaps in part because there's a segment of our fanbase that isn't keen on the B1G.

I think any addition of KU to the B1G is very, very unlikely, and it would have to be part of some big damn deal package.

I just took it as more proof that the B1G is expanding soon and from yet another credible source.
I'm certainly not trying to take you to task for posting it, and it is an interesting interview. I think that in this case, it will be a "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder" sort of thing.

On one hand, it will be seen as informed speculation by a credible source who does have a notable background and is in a position to be speaking to well-informed sources. Or in other words, it's not "just some WVU fan in his parents' basement". 04-cheers

On the other hand, it will be seen as "mere speculation" which doesn't list specifics and timetables, and will be dismissed out of hand.

The truth is likely somewhere in-between.
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(02-25-2013 02:50 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 02:41 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 02:35 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Harlan has local ties, but he's also a national guy and he's probably fairly well plugged-in. His father was the Green Bay Packers' CEO. He talked about various rumors and such that he'd heard recently while on a B1G trip, but he sounded somewhat skeptical to me. While it was on a public radio broadcast, it almost had a "shooting the breeze over a beer" kind of tone to it, rather than a "Here we go!" sort of tone. It's certainly being greeted with a lot of skepticism on the KU Scout board as well, although perhaps in part because there's a segment of our fanbase that isn't keen on the B1G.

I think any addition of KU to the B1G is very, very unlikely, and it would have to be part of some big damn deal package.

I just took it as more proof that the B1G is expanding soon and from yet another credible source.
I'm certainly not trying to take you to task for posting it, and it is an interesting interview. I think that in this case, it will be a "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder" sort of thing.

On one hand, it will be seen as informed speculation by a credible source who does have a notable background and is in a position to be speaking to well-informed sources. Or in other words, it's not "just some WVU fan in his parents' basement". 04-cheers

On the other hand, it will be seen as "mere speculation" which doesn't list specifics and timetables, and will be dismissed out of hand.

The truth is likely somewhere in-between.

Did he actually say that he would not have said any of this if he didn't have a lot of confidence in his sources? That was referenced on the Kansas Scout board.
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Back when the B1G landed Nebraska they had 2 prize schools they wanted badly. But ND would have no part of it and Texas seemed willing but had a Tech problem. If the B1G really wants to get to 18 or even 20 is there any doubt they would work to find a way to make Texas an offer it wouldn't refuse? Not saying they would take Tech to get Texas but since Texas seemed willing before, I'll bet the B1G and Texas are at least talking and working on possible scenarios. Probably won't happen but the 2 parties aren't going to just ignore the possibility.
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(02-25-2013 02:59 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Back when the B1G landed Nebraska they had 2 prize schools they wanted badly. But ND would have no part of it and Texas seemed willing but had a Tech problem. If the B1G really wants to get to 18 or even 20 is there any doubt they would work to find a way to make Texas an offer it wouldn't refuse? Not saying they would take Tech to get Texas but since Texas seemed willing before, I'll bet the B1G and Texas are at least talking and working on possible scenarios. Probably won't happen but the 2 parties aren't going to just ignore the possibility.

I don't see it happening on UT's end unless Tech is involved.
I don't see it happening on the B1G's end unless Tech isn't involved.
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(02-25-2013 01:49 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  So the B1G has gone as far east as they intend. Hmmm so who exactly is further east than Rutgers? UConn and BC? What a shock 03-lmfao

Remember the Maine (Black Bears, that is).


Univ of London?
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Since we are engaging in fantasies:

To BiG: UVa, UNC, Duke, Clemson, GT, and FSU. Yes, UNC and Duke are only a few miles apart, but both are big time research shcools.

To SEC. VT, NCSt, Louisville, Cincinnati, Syracuse and Pitt. Yes, I know that puts UK and Louisville in the same conference, but they could be in different divisions.

To Big XII: BC Miami, Wake Forest and someone from the nBE.
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Has anyone of these rumors from actual sources claimed that the B1G was talking to any non-AAU school?

I have not seen any mentioned other than rumors on boards that end up being discussed like it was a source.

If the B1G was ok with adding a non-AAU school, other than ND, then why would they add Maryland and Rutgers?

There is a short list of schools in current or neighboring states of the B1G.

Kansas
Virginia
Missouri
Pitt
Iowa St
(if Virginia is added)
UNC
Duke

There are only a few more non-P12 AQ schools who are in the AAU.

GT
Florida
Texas
Texas A&M
Vanderbilt
Colorado (Doubtful that the B12 makes a run at a P12 school)


IMO to get to 20...
Kansas, Mizzu, UVA, UNC, Duke & GT
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(02-25-2013 02:20 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  [quote='CardFan1' pid='9009602' dateline='1361819701']
Imagine if the B1G picked up Missouri, Kansas and were to land OU to renew it's rivalry with Nebraska and somehow got Texas to jump into that mix. WVU , OSU with maybe KSU to SEC or ACC. Not out of realm of reality here if GOR could be gotten around.

The ACC schools are the ones who are going to get poached first buddy. The GOR isn't the insurmountable mountain that its made out to be but it is still a significant pain in the ass.

B1G going to 16=good for Big 12

B1G going to 20=good for no one. WVU included.
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And Kansas and Missouri along with Oklahoma and Texas fit in the Big10 mold for a MidWest conference with Iowa, Indiana, Illinois, Nebraska than FSU, UVA, UNC, Clemson would.
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(02-25-2013 03:38 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  Has anyone of these rumors from actual sources claimed that the B1G was talking to any non-AAU school?

I have not seen any mentioned other than rumors on boards that end up being discussed like it was a source.

If the B1G was ok with adding a non-AAU school, other than ND, then why would they add Maryland and Rutgers?

There is a short list of schools in current or neighboring states of the B1G.

Kansas
Virginia
Missouri
Pitt
Iowa St
(if Virginia is added)
UNC
Duke

There are only a few more non-P12 AQ schools who are in the AAU.

GT
Florida
Texas
Texas A&M
Vanderbilt
Colorado (Doubtful that the B12 makes a run at a P12 school)


IMO to get to 20...
Kansas, Mizzu, UVA, UNC, Duke & GT

You forgot Rice, Tulane and Buffalo who are AAU and play FBS football. Not that they have any chance in joining the Big Ten but I just wanted to add those three since we're talking about AAU schools.
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(02-25-2013 04:20 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  And Kansas and Missouri along with Oklahoma and Texas fit in the Big10 mold for a MidWest conference with Iowa, Indiana, Illinois, Nebraska than FSU, UVA, UNC, Clemson would.

Each of those Big 12 (or former Big 12 in Mizzou's case) have things working against them the ACC teams likely don't.

1- UT is saddled with Texas Tech. It came up in a private email that was FOIA'd out of the office Ohio State's president. It along with other prevalent reports suggests UT is tied to Tech in a way that A&M simply wasn't. The Big Ten doesn't want Tech and won't take them to get UT when they can go elsewhere without having the headache.

2- OU and OSU. Same deal.

3- KU and MU offer some new footprint but cities like KC and St Louis make up much of that footprint and Nebraska (KC) and Illinois (St. Louis) already do a good job in those markets for BTN purposes which significantly diminishes the appeal of their additions.

4- KU may have trouble splitting from KSU.

5- On top of all of this you have the GOR which complicates things.
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(02-25-2013 04:23 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  You forgot Rice, Tulane and Buffalo who are AAU and play FBS football. Not that they have any chance in joining the Big Ten but I just wanted to add those three since we're talking about AAU schools.

I intentionally omitted all the non-FBS and non-AQ schools. No chance they get an invite for football.
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For fun...

B1G - add 6 to get to 20...
Kansas, Mizzu, UVA, UNC, Duke & GT

SEC - reload 1 to stay at 14
NC St

ACC - reload 3 to get to 12
Cincinnati, ECU & UCONN

BE - reload 4 to get to 12FB
Army, UMASS, Marshall & Buffalo

MAC - reload 1 to get to 12
WKY

Sun Belt - reload 1 to get to 8
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I think Delaney and Scott need to work in tandem to kill the Big 12 and break the GOR. Pac 12 needs Texas. But they don't want to settle for a non-UT school.

Pac 12 can take KSU/KU, OU/Ok St. B1G takes UT and Mizzou. SEC can backfill with TCU, TTech, or Baylor. That way SOME rivalries are preserved and most schools end up in a power conference.
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(02-25-2013 04:54 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I think Delaney and Scott need to work in tandem to kill the Big 12 and break the GOR. Pac 12 needs Texas. But they don't want to settle for a non-UT school.

Pac 12 can take KSU/KU, OU/Ok St. B1G takes UT and Mizzou. SEC can backfill with TCU, TTech, or Baylor. That way SOME rivalries are preserved and most schools end up in a power conference.

Pac 12 won't expand without UT. Not only did they turn down OU & OSU (which is a more valuable combo than the KS duo they easily could have jumped on as well in 2011) but also all 3 of OU, OSU, and TTU's offers in 2010 were contingent on UT accepting and that is straight from the TTU President.

So that is the first "not gonna happen" with this idea.

The second is UT leaving Tech behind. It killed the B1G as a 2010 option and it would do it again.
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