(02-16-2013 09:21 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  If the nBE is so willing ot give up MSG might as well give up the BE name as well and make a complete freash start

The C-7 are the ones that wanted a fresh start. Who knows? We might be forced to give up the name. That said, listening to the posturing leads me to believe the pre-nup makes no clear declaration about the name. But it does say the C-7 is stuck with us 2 million dollar a year suckers until 2015. Maybe we let you guys go early and you give us the name. I would prefer that we keep the name. I think in the loing run, the name will help us to grow. Plus, publically, we dont need to take anymore demeaning hits. Unfortunately, the truth is, it probably doesnt matter. Even with the name, the BE conference isnt making beans so---its not like the name bestowed upon us great riches.

(02-16-2013 10:19 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 08:38 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 08:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  UConn may have won the most tournaments but not the attendance battle. Cuse wins that easily. MSG knows who the draw is.

Syracuse was the Old BIG EAST....when they left the BIG EAST Died that day in September 2011...when Notre Dame left the following year any real hope of a revival was gone.

The BET was built with Rony Seikaly...Louis Orr...Pearl Washington...Rafiel Addison...those guys along with Ed Pinkney, Patrick Ewing & Chris Mullens are gone & MSG might have figured that out...time will tell...

The league has always been bigger than one school.

Syracuse is/was the heart & soul of the old league...yes it was more then one school but the Orange was the key...to put it simply...the old league could survive losing Miami...but not the Orange...losing Syracuse would be like the SEC losing Alabama...not putting the Orange on the Crimson Tide level but their brand meant that much to the old league.

(02-16-2013 10:44 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 10:19 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 08:38 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 08:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  UConn may have won the most tournaments but not the attendance battle. Cuse wins that easily. MSG knows who the draw is.

Syracuse was the Old BIG EAST....when they left the BIG EAST Died that day in September 2011...when Notre Dame left the following year any real hope of a revival was gone.

The BET was built with Rony Seikaly...Louis Orr...Pearl Washington...Rafiel Addison...those guys along with Ed Pinkney, Patrick Ewing & Chris Mullens are gone & MSG might have figured that out...time will tell...

The league has always been bigger than one school.

Syracuse is/was the heart & soul of the old league...yes it was more then one school but the Orange was the key...to put it simply...the old league could survive losing Miami...but not the Orange...losing Syracuse would be like the SEC losing Alabama...not putting the Orange on the Crimson Tide level but their brand meant that much to the old league.

No one was indispensable. Especially in a league like the Big East, that had to reinvent itself on a regular basis. Change happens.

I'm honestly surprised if MSq Garden wouldn't allow ACC to have its tourney there as part of a rotation. That would be a true "win/win" for NYC and for the ACC.

But I can't picture the ACC agreeing to hold the tourney in MSG every year, or 5 years in a row.

they only shot of C-7 or BE to keep tourn in MSG,
is to stay together

(02-17-2013 12:20 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I'm honestly surprised if MSq Garden wouldn't allow ACC to have its tourney there as part of a rotation. That would be a true "win/win" for NYC and for the ACC.

But I can't picture the ACC agreeing to hold the tourney in MSG every year, or 5 years in a row.

Yeah, C7 and ACC could alternate use of MSG for their hoops tournaments. C7 could play in DC or Indy or Chicago when they're not in MSG. I would think that the ACC only wants to use MSG once every few years, but who knows.

(02-16-2013 10:31 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 08:26 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 07:11 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  More interesting is the bits about Aresco preparing for a legal fight against the C-7.

what i found to be the most interesting is his quote about Louisville wanting to keep the Big East name!

Why is that surprising? We are still a member and have won Championships in many sports under the Big East banner including Football BCS. Keeps the Legacy alive even after We leave in 2014 like You do.

The wording of the article suggested that Louisvile would still be there along with Memphis and USF and they wanted the BE name to remain with them. Louisville will have the BE as part of their history. Any championships willl still be part of their leagacy. Even if the BE name goes with the C7 the football history of the BE will go with it. The new conference will start a new legacy. The individual schools will still have their past. They will just be opening a new chapter in a new fb/all sports league, just as Louisville, rutgers, Syracuse,Pitt, BC,VTech and Miami have/will have done/do.

(02-17-2013 12:20 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I'm honestly surprised if MSq Garden wouldn't allow ACC to have its tourney there as part of a rotation. That would be a true "win/win" for NYC and for the ACC.

But I can't picture the ACC agreeing to hold the tourney in MSG every year, or 5 years in a row.

I find that hard to believe, too. I can see 50% of the time at MSG.
Realistically it should switch between Greensboro/Charlotte and NYC. Leave Florida and Atlanta out.

I see it alternating every year: NY/NC
or alternating every two years: NY/NC

(02-16-2013 10:19 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 08:38 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 08:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  UConn may have won the most tournaments but not the attendance battle. Cuse wins that easily. MSG knows who the draw is.

Syracuse was the Old BIG EAST....when they left the BIG EAST Died that day in September 2011...when Notre Dame left the following year any real hope of a revival was gone.

The BET was built with Rony Seikaly...Louis Orr...Pearl Washington...Rafiel Addison...those guys along with Ed Pinkney, Patrick Ewing & Chris Mullens are gone & MSG might have figured that out...time will tell...

The league has always been bigger than one school.

Tell that to Seton Hall who opened up the upper deck at the Prudential for the first time to accommodate all the "Seton Hall Fans" to watch Cuse yesterday. Funny most of the upper deck fans were wearing Orange though.

(02-17-2013 10:01 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 10:19 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 08:38 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 08:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  UConn may have won the most tournaments but not the attendance battle. Cuse wins that easily. MSG knows who the draw is.

Syracuse was the Old BIG EAST....when they left the BIG EAST Died that day in September 2011...when Notre Dame left the following year any real hope of a revival was gone.

The BET was built with Rony Seikaly...Louis Orr...Pearl Washington...Rafiel Addison...those guys along with Ed Pinkney, Patrick Ewing & Chris Mullens are gone & MSG might have figured that out...time will tell...

The league has always been bigger than one school.

Tell that to Seton Hall who opened up the upper deck at the Prudential for the first time to accommodate all the "Seton Hall Fans" to watch Cuse yesterday. Funny most of the upper deck fans were wearing Orange though.

Does anybody work in syracuse? How do these fans find the time to travel so much?

(02-17-2013 10:29 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 10:01 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 10:19 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 08:38 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 08:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  UConn may have won the most tournaments but not the attendance battle. Cuse wins that easily. MSG knows who the draw is.

Syracuse was the Old BIG EAST....when they left the BIG EAST Died that day in September 2011...when Notre Dame left the following year any real hope of a revival was gone.

The BET was built with Rony Seikaly...Louis Orr...Pearl Washington...Rafiel Addison...those guys along with Ed Pinkney, Patrick Ewing & Chris Mullens are gone & MSG might have figured that out...time will tell...

The league has always been bigger than one school.

Tell that to Seton Hall who opened up the upper deck at the Prudential for the first time to accommodate all the "Seton Hall Fans" to watch Cuse yesterday. Funny most of the upper deck fans were wearing Orange though.

Does anybody work in syracuse? How do these fans find the time to travel so much?

Syracuse has a lot of fans scattered throughout The BEast's traditional territory. Most of 'em don't have all that far to travel, dude...

(02-17-2013 10:34 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 10:29 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 10:01 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 10:19 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 08:38 PM)Maize Wrote:  Syracuse was the Old BIG EAST....when they left the BIG EAST Died that day in September 2011...when Notre Dame left the following year any real hope of a revival was gone.

The BET was built with Rony Seikaly...Louis Orr...Pearl Washington...Rafiel Addison...those guys along with Ed Pinkney, Patrick Ewing & Chris Mullens are gone & MSG might have figured that out...time will tell...

The league has always been bigger than one school.

Tell that to Seton Hall who opened up the upper deck at the Prudential for the first time to accommodate all the "Seton Hall Fans" to watch Cuse yesterday. Funny most of the upper deck fans were wearing Orange though.

Does anybody work in syracuse? How do these fans find the time to travel so much?

Syracuse has a lot of fans scattered throughout The BEast's traditional territory. Most of 'em don't have all that far to travel, dude...

Zactly...lots of T-Shirt fans and alumni along I-95...this is why the ACC makes sense for Cuse and not the B1G.

(02-17-2013 12:22 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 10:34 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 10:29 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 10:01 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 10:19 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The league has always been bigger than one school.

Tell that to Seton Hall who opened up the upper deck at the Prudential for the first time to accommodate all the "Seton Hall Fans" to watch Cuse yesterday. Funny most of the upper deck fans were wearing Orange though.

Does anybody work in syracuse? How do these fans find the time to travel so much?

Syracuse has a lot of fans scattered throughout The BEast's traditional territory. Most of 'em don't have all that far to travel, dude...

Zactly...lots of T-Shirt fans and alumni along I-95...this is why the ACC makes sense for Cuse and not the B1G.

And if all the schools along that corridor head to the B1G, what then?

I would expect fans of Syracuse to travel well, however expecting fans of opponents to venture to the middle of no where in upstate New York just isn't realistic...

The thing is Cuse fans aren't buying tix to every session. Plus Cuse fans aren't going to buy all the unsold tix from Miami, FSU, Clemson, wake, BC, UVA, vt and GT.

(02-17-2013 12:39 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 12:22 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 10:34 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 10:29 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 10:01 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Tell that to Seton Hall who opened up the upper deck at the Prudential for the first time to accommodate all the "Seton Hall Fans" to watch Cuse yesterday. Funny most of the upper deck fans were wearing Orange though.

Does anybody work in syracuse? How do these fans find the time to travel so much?

Syracuse has a lot of fans scattered throughout The BEast's traditional territory. Most of 'em don't have all that far to travel, dude...

Zactly...lots of T-Shirt fans and alumni along I-95...this is why the ACC makes sense for Cuse and not the B1G.

And if all the schools along that corridor head to the B1G, what then?

its highly unlikely all those teams would move to the B1G. The teams wont move just for money like maryland did. Im leaving west virginia out of the moving just for money because you guys had no choice except big 12(even though your on an island there) or staying in the bigeast after sec passed on you for missouri.

(02-17-2013 10:29 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  Does anybody work in syracuse? How do these fans find the time to travel so much?

Probably not as many as used to.

Population of Syracuse NY
1950 = 221,000
1970 = 197,000
1990 = 164,000
2010 = 145,000

Population of Onandaga Co NY
1950 = 342,000
1970 = 473,000
1990 = 469,000
2010 = 467,000

(02-17-2013 12:54 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  I would expect fans of Syracuse to travel well, however expecting fans of opponents to venture to the middle of no where in upstate New York just isn't realistic...

WVU fans had no trouble traveling to Syracuse, or anywhere else for that matter...

(02-17-2013 01:42 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 12:54 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  I would expect fans of Syracuse to travel well, however expecting fans of opponents to venture to the middle of no where in upstate New York just isn't realistic...

WVU fans had no trouble traveling to Syracuse, or anywhere else for that matter...

Compared to Morgantown anywhere else in the USA is like the most exciting place ever...

(02-17-2013 01:55 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 01:42 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 12:54 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  I would expect fans of Syracuse to travel well, however expecting fans of opponents to venture to the middle of no where in upstate New York just isn't realistic...

WVU fans had no trouble traveling to Syracuse, or anywhere else for that matter...

Compared to Morgantown anywhere else in the USA is like the most exciting place ever...

Haha I drive down to WVU in '00 to visit my bro and I stopped at a McD's and no joke they had just gotten the chicken McNugget.