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L-yes Wrote:And I could go on.

so could I... we could post articles back and forth all day.

History will not show this Steelers victory as "tainted"; the Seahawks had the opportunities and they didn't take advantage. Pittsburgh did.


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DETROIT -- Lofa Tatupu sat behind a microphone wearing his game pants and a trademark undershirt to which he took scissors and fashioned into a muscle shirt. His Seahawks mates did much the same last night: They cut themselves.

They cut themselves down below Super Bowl XL size.

"Uncharacteristic," Tatupu, the Seahawks' rookie middle linebacker, tried to explain after the 21-10 loss to the Steelers inside Ford Field. Like his Seahawks mates, he failed. "I don't know. I don't know how to sum it up.

"I wish there was a reason I could give you. That's the way it goes."

This was the way it went for the NFC champions on the biggest stage, in a championship where they entered with a 15-3 record and victories in 13 of their past 14 games but entered the Motor City as an underdog:

They dropped a minimum of four passes, three by linebacker Joey Porter's favorite "soft" tight end, badly bearded Jerramy Stevens.

They committed seven penalties, two of them erasing a touchdown and a completion to the Steelers' 1-yard line.

They gave up not only their longest running play of the season, but the longest offensive play, period, in Willie Parker's back-breaking, 75-yard touchdown run on the second half's second play from scrimmage.

They got as many interceptions thrown by quarterback Matt Hasselbeck -- one, at a time when Seattle was close to some kind of much-needed score amid a tenuous, 14-10 Steelers lead -- as he had thrown in his previous half-dozen games.

They missed back-to-back field-goal attempts of 50-plus yards by Josh Brown.

They misfired on five of their last six third-down conversion tries.

They converted just one of their three trips inside the Steelers' 20, and this from the NFL's leader in the territory known as the red zone.

They just kept cutting and undercutting themselves.

"We made a lot of mistakes," Tatupu offered meekly. "We kept hurting ourselves. That's stuff we can't have. The team that makes the fewest mistakes comes out on top."

Tatupu started out losing mates on defense, then ground in the game and on the scoreboard.

Safety Marquand Manuel sustained a hip injury while pushing MVP Hines Ward out of bounds in the first half on a reverse, pushing third-team safety Etric Pruitt into the game --starter and defensive soul Ken Hamlin was lost earlier in the year after a nightclub scrap hospitalized him with serious injuries.

Then defensive tackle Rocky Bernard hurt a hamstring in the third quarter.

That was after Parker had damaged the defense with that touchdown run, where he juked safety Michael Boulware at the line of scrimmage and, as he put it, "trotted after that," most of 75 yards.

All Tatupu said of the play: "It was long."

Before that, though, the Seahawks were stumbling and bumbling. Brown missed two field goals from range where he converted seven of 12 previously in his three-year career. Darrell Jackson had an apparent, 16-yard touchdown pass late in the first quarter nullified by his own error: a penalty for offensive interference when he stuck out his right arm and pushed Steelers safety Chris Hope. An 18-yard Jackson catch to the Steelers' 23 on Seattle's second possession was nullified on a holding penalty against center Robbie Tobeck. Right tackle Sean Locklear erased Stevens' 18-yard pass to the Steelers' 1 five plays into the fourth quarter when he was flagged for grabbing a handful of Clark Haggans' jersey. Three plays later, Ike Taylor picked off a Hasselbeck pass; he hadn't thrown an interception in his previous five games.

"I kept feeling like we were getting momentum, getting yardage," said Tobeck, pointing to the Seahawks' 5-0 advantage in first downs through the first quarter and 396 yards overall compared to the Steelers' 339. "I felt like we were moving the ball all day, we just couldn't ..."

"In those situations, you can't have penalties," perennial Pro Bowl offensive left tackle Walter Jones added.

This marked Mike Holmgren's second consecutive loss on this stage, his Green Bay Packers losing to Denver is Super Bowl XXXII.

"We had yardage taken away by penalties," Holmgren said. "But the only stat that counts is the score at the end of the game."

"It's a tough one to take right now," Tatupu said.

Holmgren spoke to his team afterward, asking them to remember this sorrowful, morose feeling of the loss in the NFL's ultimate game.

"While you don't like this feeling," he said, "I want them to use that feeling the next time they get in a game like this."

And when will that be? After all, this is a star-crossed franchise that went more the two decades without a playoff victory until this year.

"We'll be back," Tatupu said, "next year."
02-06-2006 02:21 PM
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wvucrazed Wrote:
L-yes Wrote:And I could go on.

so could I... we could post articles back and forth all day.

History will not show this Steelers victory as "tainted"; the Seahawks had the opportunities and they didn't take advantage. Pittsburgh did.

Its all anyone is talking about today. I'm afraid you're wrong. There is outrage among football fans in general, not just one fan base. As Maize noted we have no dog in this fight. We simply wanted a good fair football game which was not delivered. As I stated I was pulling hard for the Steelers but I couldnt take the horrible calls throughout the game.
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L-yes Wrote:
wvucrazed Wrote:
L-yes Wrote:And I could go on.

so could I... we could post articles back and forth all day.

History will not show this Steelers victory as "tainted"; the Seahawks had the opportunities and they didn't take advantage. Pittsburgh did.

Its all anyone is talking about today. I'm afraid you're wrong. There is outrage among football fans in general, not just one fan base. As Maize noted we have no dog in this fight. We simply wanted a good fair football game which was not delivered. As I stated I was pulling hard for the Steelers but I couldnt take the horrible calls throughout the game.


I guess we'll see in time.

Scanning SI.com, I see the following headlines:
02-06-2006 02:36 PM
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We can debate the validity of the zebras all day, but the Seahogs had the ball with a chance to go up 17-14 and didn't capitalize. Simple as that.

The Seahogs spent a great deal of the 1st quarter on Pittsburgh's side of the field, yet only garnered 3 points.
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Cris Carter's excellent article on the Super Bowl:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ah...&type=lgns
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It will also go down as one of the most boring games in Super Bowl history. An all around loser for the NFL.
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I was watching a Late ESPN Sports Center addition last night and all four of the commentators voted that the officials determined the outcome of the game. 3 of the four said that the NFL has a major problem with officials and that something must be done to this crew as far as some kind of reprimand and review etc. They also pointed out until they are full-time employees they will never improve as a whole.
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MongoSlade Wrote:We can debate the validity of the zebras all day, but the Seahogs had the ball with a chance to go up 17-14 and didn't capitalize. Simple as that.

The Seahogs spent a great deal of the 1st quarter on Pittsburgh's side of the field, yet only garnered 3 points.

Probably because they were thrown back by a bogus holding penalty when they got the ball down to the 1 yard line.

What I found interesting yesterday, to a man the non Steeler fans thought the Seahawks got screwed while the majority-(not all Steeler fans) thought they did not. Some of the Steeler fans I know thought it was somewhat tainted as well but they took the win anyway.
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wvucrazed Wrote:
MongoSlade Wrote:One play I forgot about was what I thought WAS a Seattle TD near the end of the 1st half where Jackson caught the ball, and it appeared to me that one foot was inbounds and the other foot made contact with the pylon. It was ruled out-of-bounds, but it looked like a TD to me...

Anyone else remember that one..?

I thought it was out of bounds.. did Seattle challenge it? I don't recall, but I don't think they did.

The pylon is out of bounds, so if the foot contacted that before hitting the ground, he's out. However, I don't recall it hitting the pylon, he only got one foot in.

The push off was offensive interference. It doesn't get called a lot, but that was a good call.

Rotleswhatshisname didn't even think he got the ball over the goal line. But that wasn't a pivotal call, they would have gone for it on 4th anyway.

There were a few blown calls, but the Seahawks need to look no further than a mirror to see why they lost.
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Quote:Rotleswhatshisname didn't even think he got the ball over the goal line. But that wasn't a pivotal call, they would have gone for it on 4th anyway.

It still wasn't a TD, and nobody knows if they would have made it on 4th down. Seen many a goalline stand in my day, even in the SuperBowl. Remember SuperBowl XVI when the 49ers stopped the Bengals on 4 tries at the 1 yard line. Even though the Bengals had a massive FB by the name of Pete Johnson.
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Quote:Rotleswhatshisname didn't even think he got the ball over the goal line. But that wasn't a pivotal call, they would have gone for it on 4th anyway.

It still wasn't a TD, and nobody knows if they would have made it on 4th down. Seen many a goalline stand in my day, even in the SuperBowl. Remember SuperBowl XVI when the 49ers stopped the Bengals on 4 tries at the 1 yard line. Even though the Bengals had a massive FB by the name of Pete Johnson.

It clearly WAS a touchdown.

Somebody on the CUSA forum - a Memphis fan, I believe - in their thread about this controversy, has posted a still picture of the play blown up, and the ball is clearly over the plane of the goal line.

Further, there are alot of non-Steeler fans who don't think the bumbling Seahawks are poor victims of the evil refs.

As someone in the CUSA thread accurately pointed out: did the refs make the block to allow Porter's 76 yard run? Or Randal-El's touchdown pass? Or Hasselbeck's INT? or Ben's throw inside the 5 on 3rd and forever? Or did the refs render Seattle unable to stop Pittsburgh on that last drive when they were able to milk the clock down to 2 minutes?

I guess those were some busy refs.
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Dude, even Big Ben said it wasn't a TD on Letterman last night. Watching Cold Pizza this morning and they are still talking about the refs. Pittsburgh got 1 bad call and Seattle got 7 bad calls. Let it go and enjoy you SuperBowl win.
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Maize Wrote:Dude, even Big Ben said it wasn't a TD o n Letterman last night. Watching Cold Pizza this morning and they are still talking about the refs. Pittsburgh got 1 bad call and Seattle got 7 bad calls. Let it go and enjoy you SuperBowl win.

Dude, did you bother looking at the picture showing the ball past the goal line?
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wvucrazed Wrote:
Maize Wrote:Dude, even Big Ben said it wasn't a TD o n Letterman last night. Watching Cold Pizza this morning and they are still talking about the refs. Pittsburgh got 1 bad call and Seattle got 7 bad calls. Let it go and enjoy you SuperBowl win.

Dude, did you bother looking at the picture showing the ball past the goal line?

I saw the picture really could not tell. But I would rather go with the player on suppose score the TD who said he did not think he scored and the replays I saw again this morning-(BTW, Bayless and Hayes ripped the refs on Cold Pizza)

Big Ben said he did not score, I will go with that. But it doesn't freaking matter, the Steelers are SuperBowl Champs.
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Bearcat T Wrote:One of the worst officiated games in memory! What ashame it was disaster from the horrible National Anthem, to poor play, to terrible calls, a
very bad and old halftime to more bad calls, and more bad play ... The Steelers toughed it out but it was no SUPER Bowl!

Apparently you didn't watch the Pittsburgh-Indianapolis game.
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vinman3 Wrote:
Bearcat T Wrote:One of the worst officiated games in memory! What ashame it was disaster from the horrible National Anthem, to poor play, to terrible calls, a
very bad and old halftime to more bad calls, and more bad play ... The Steelers toughed it out but it was no SUPER Bowl!

Apparently you didn't watch the Pittsburgh-Indianapolis game.

This was one of the poorest officiated PLAYOFFS in memory. Pittsburgh almost got hosed in Indy and Seattle was somewhat screwed-(Mike Holmgren has some responsibility in the Seahawks loss as well) in the SuperBowl.
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wvucrazed Wrote:
Maize Wrote:Dude, even Big Ben said it wasn't a TD o n Letterman last night. Watching Cold Pizza this morning and they are still talking about the refs. Pittsburgh got 1 bad call and Seattle got 7 bad calls. Let it go and enjoy you SuperBowl win.

Dude, did you bother looking at the picture showing the ball past the goal line?

FYI...someone was posting the picture of when AFTER Ben had been down, he pushed the ball across the goal line.

The NFL has said he crossed the goal line while in the AIR...and not when he was on the ground.

I have yet to see a photo...with help from a lazer that was located on the goal line...with Ben in the air "clearly" across the goal line.

KL

PS. I'm still glad Pitt won...but even Ben knows it was a "gift".
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