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(02-02-2013 10:51 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Another nice stat: 18 assists on 23 FG's. The 23 FG's should have been more, but good moving the ball around. At half time, it was 10 assists on 11 FG's.

Also, QT's best game to date. He may be starting over TJ soon. Then all of the people who have been griping about TJ will be happy (except they are probably the ones who were griping last year about QT)

I missed the UTEP game. Who was that #25 out there for UAB tonight? That's the best I have ever seen from Mr. Quincy Taylor. QT was the only one capable of breaking the Southern Miss press. He showed point guard skills I hadn't seen from him before. So much for me placing him in the #2 spot. He is definitely a #1 after tonight's game.

Great game by my Blazers against a very physical and good USM team.

Southern Miss took Rucker out of both games with their pressing zone defense. Southern Miss has a lot more depth than UAB this year.

Southern Miss is now a basketball school. 0-12 in football.
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I have seen them both play serial times as well and agree sit MB. I predicted earlier USM will sweep Memphis. Lord knows that if they call just a fraction if the violations and fouls those two teams commit the game will take four hours and they will be playing two on two at the end.
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Largest USM crowd I have ever seen in Bartow. There have been times they didn't have that many in Reed Green.
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(02-02-2013 10:06 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  USM shot 63% from the field and 59% from three point range. Watson was 7-7 and 6-6 from three point range. Rucker and Jones had an off night, yet the Blazers were in it right to the end against what I think is the best team in the conference. (Memphis has the most talent, but USM has the best team.)

Way to fight, Blazers. This team is turning the corner.

I agree MB. It is nice to have some rational posts about our games instead of reading about everything that has gone wrong in every game. This team is really starting to look solid. If USM doesn't shoot a ridiculous percentage, UAB wins that game. I'm really excited about the future, and even though the record isn't great, I can see this team is improving quickly now.
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(02-02-2013 11:23 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Largest USM crowd I have ever seen in Bartow. There have been times they didn't have that many in Reed Green.

I tell you, Southern Miss is a basketball school now.
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I thought we played one helluva game tonight. We'd have beaten a lot of teams in this conference tonight. This was the best effort I've seen this year.
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(02-02-2013 11:23 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Largest USM crowd I have ever seen in Bartow. There have been times they didn't have that many in Reed Green.

Very true.

Good UAB crowd for the game, nice to see even though the team has an horrible record that people are still coming.
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(02-02-2013 10:28 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  
(02-02-2013 10:24 PM)TheGORILLA Wrote:  No doubt, what a performance by USM point guard and yes, a couple of UAB players hustled hard but finished with 12 missed shots out of 16 tries. It seemed that late in the game when UAB was pounding the boards to get several key rebounds, and they came so close to getting some big ones on both ends, but the ball somehow was rebounded by USM. Only 12 turnovers, tonight, but a couple of turnovers in a row, both fumbles, I think, off of the dribble, really hurt when they were down by 4 with about 9 minutes left and USM all of a sudden went up by 11 and UAB was forced to call time out, I think. That was a huge turning point.

I knew you would post to point out all of the bad things they did.

Looked pretty sloppy, at times, scrambling on the floor for balls that got away from themselves. Most of their turnovers are not on fast breaks but well after they have crossed half court, while they are running the offense, and usually dribbling into traffic. They got their pockets picked a few times by a blind side defenseman. They never saw the defensive man even pick their pocket, and away they went for a fast break layup or a dunk. Duh!
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(02-03-2013 12:17 AM)TheGORILLA Wrote:  
(02-02-2013 10:28 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  
(02-02-2013 10:24 PM)TheGORILLA Wrote:  No doubt, what a performance by USM point guard and yes, a couple of UAB players hustled hard but finished with 12 missed shots out of 16 tries. It seemed that late in the game when UAB was pounding the boards to get several key rebounds, and they came so close to getting some big ones on both ends, but the ball somehow was rebounded by USM. Only 12 turnovers, tonight, but a couple of turnovers in a row, both fumbles, I think, off of the dribble, really hurt when they were down by 4 with about 9 minutes left and USM all of a sudden went up by 11 and UAB was forced to call time out, I think. That was a huge turning point.

I knew you would post to point out all of the bad things they did.

Looked pretty sloppy, at times, scrambling on the floor for balls that got away from themselves. Most of their turnovers are not on fast breaks but well after they have crossed half court, while they are running the offense, and usually dribbling into traffic. They got their pockets picked a few times by a blind side defenseman. They never saw the defensive man even pick their pocket, and away they went for a fast break layup or a dunk. Duh!

Guess what, dude. You can say the same thing about USM as well. USM was scrambling after balls that got away from them, They had their pockets picked from the blindside. It was that type of game. USM had 19 turnovers. UAB had only 12. USM had only six fast break points, so it didn't happened that much.

You are so intent on pointing out everything you think UAB did wrong that you refuse to acknowledge what they did right. Gene Bartow would be very ashamed of you.
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(02-02-2013 11:23 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Largest USM crowd I have ever seen in Bartow. There have been times they didn't have that many in Reed Green.

Tonight was my first time to Bartow to see a USM-UAB men's game. Kind of reminds me of USM baseball in 2003 when we had our breakout season and Tulane baseball coach commented after USM filled their stadium for 03 C-USA tournament championship game against them "I was amazed at the amount of Southern Miss fans here this week. I have never seen them travel that well but they were here all week in full force."
I'm not saying we did that tonight but attendance is picking up for USM basketball finally. Great effort by UAB and best of luck the rest of the regular season.
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i was letting all my anger out on one of the refs who wouldn't call any of the cheap shots that USM did and almost got thrown out.
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Overall effort and intensity were better, for the second game in a row. Now we have to find some way of not digging a hole to climb out of in the 1st half. They were able to claw all the way back against UTEP but it's hard to do that game after game.

QT's best game as a Blazer. More turnovers than Coach Haase will like but still a big improvement. Agree that Quincy should start the next game. Gotta find some way of getting off to a better start.
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Are we really complaining about having 12 turnovers in a game now? I think 12 is a reasonable number of turnovers to expect in a game. I'm normally okay with 15 or fewer, as long as we are turning the opponent over as well. No turnover is a good turnover, but they happen. It's part of the game. And when we play faster, we are obviously going to have more total turnovers.

But since you are running out of other things to complain about, this works I guess.
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(02-03-2013 08:39 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Are we really complaining about having 12 turnovers in a game now? I think 12 is a reasonable number of turnovers to expect in a game. I'm normally okay with 15 or fewer, as long as we are turning the opponent over as well. No turnover is a good turnover, but they happen. It's part of the game. And when we play faster, we are obviously going to have more total turnovers.

But since you are running out of other things to complain about, this works I guess.

Twelve turnovers against that defense is actually quite good, IMHO.
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(02-02-2013 10:20 PM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  
(02-02-2013 10:06 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  USM shot 63% from the field and 59% from three point range. Watson was 7-7 and 6-6 from three point range. Rucker and Jones had an off night, yet the Blazers were in it right to the end against what I think is the best team in the conference. (Memphis has the most talent, but USM has the best team.)

Way to fight, Blazers. This team is turning the corner.

Why don't you wait for the USM-Memphis game to make that determination.

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(02-03-2013 08:39 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Are we really complaining about having 12 turnovers in a game now? I think 12 is a reasonable number of turnovers to expect in a game. I'm normally okay with 15 or fewer, as long as we are turning the opponent over as well. No turnover is a good turnover, but they happen. It's part of the game. And when we play faster, we are obviously going to have more total turnovers.

But since you are running out of other things to complain about, this works I guess.

Can you read? I was talking about QT and his five assists and four turnovers. You would like your point guard to have that ratio more like 3 or 4 to 1.

I'm an objective fan, not a cheerleader. The team is doing a little better but I'll save the shower of praise until we can win a few more games.
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(02-03-2013 08:48 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  
(02-03-2013 08:39 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Are we really complaining about having 12 turnovers in a game now? I think 12 is a reasonable number of turnovers to expect in a game. I'm normally okay with 15 or fewer, as long as we are turning the opponent over as well. No turnover is a good turnover, but they happen. It's part of the game. And when we play faster, we are obviously going to have more total turnovers.

But since you are running out of other things to complain about, this works I guess.

Can you read? I was talking about QT and his five assists and four turnovers. You would like your point guard to have that ratio more like 3 or 4 to 1.

I'm an objective fan, not a cheerleader. The team is doing a little better but I'll save the shower of praise until we can win a few more games.

Can you read? No need to get an attitude. Maybe you weren't the one I was talking about...03-idea
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(02-03-2013 08:48 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  
(02-03-2013 08:39 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Are we really complaining about having 12 turnovers in a game now? I think 12 is a reasonable number of turnovers to expect in a game. I'm normally okay with 15 or fewer, as long as we are turning the opponent over as well. No turnover is a good turnover, but they happen. It's part of the game. And when we play faster, we are obviously going to have more total turnovers.

But since you are running out of other things to complain about, this works I guess.

Can you read? I was talking about QT and his five assists and four turnovers. You would like your point guard to have that ratio more like 3 or 4 to 1.

I'm an objective fan, not a cheerleader. The team is doing a little better but I'll save the shower of praise until we can win a few more games.

And since you brought it up, 9 players, in all of D-1 basketball, have an assist to turnover ratio of 3:1 or better. And 31 have a ratio better than 2.5:1. I'd love to have Trey Burke running the point for us too, but we have to make do with what we have. I'll take the game Quincy had last night for the rest of the season, and that includes the 4 turnovers.
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(02-03-2013 09:34 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  
(02-03-2013 08:48 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  
(02-03-2013 08:39 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Are we really complaining about having 12 turnovers in a game now? I think 12 is a reasonable number of turnovers to expect in a game. I'm normally okay with 15 or fewer, as long as we are turning the opponent over as well. No turnover is a good turnover, but they happen. It's part of the game. And when we play faster, we are obviously going to have more total turnovers.

But since you are running out of other things to complain about, this works I guess.

Can you read? I was talking about QT and his five assists and four turnovers. You would like your point guard to have that ratio more like 3 or 4 to 1.

I'm an objective fan, not a cheerleader. The team is doing a little better but I'll save the shower of praise until we can win a few more games.

Can you read? No need to get an attitude. Maybe you weren't the one I was talking about...03-idea

If not then you have my apology.

Anything lower than 2 to 1 is bad for a point guard. The fact that Q put up 15 points makes up for his turnovers last night but that is not a normal game for him. Maybe it's the new normal. A while back Coach Haase said he wanted to play QT more but he had to limit his turnovers. He still has too many unforced ones but there certainly isn't anyone better for the job right now.
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(02-03-2013 12:25 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  
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(02-02-2013 10:28 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  
(02-02-2013 10:24 PM)TheGORILLA Wrote:  No doubt, what a performance by USM point guard and yes, a couple of UAB players hustled hard but finished with 12 missed shots out of 16 tries. It seemed that late in the game when UAB was pounding the boards to get several key rebounds, and they came so close to getting some big ones on both ends, but the ball somehow was rebounded by USM. Only 12 turnovers, tonight, but a couple of turnovers in a row, both fumbles, I think, off of the dribble, really hurt when they were down by 4 with about 9 minutes left and USM all of a sudden went up by 11 and UAB was forced to call time out, I think. That was a huge turning point.

I knew you would post to point out all of the bad things they did.

Looked pretty sloppy, at times, scrambling on the floor for balls that got away from themselves. Most of their turnovers are not on fast breaks but well after they have crossed half court, while they are running the offense, and usually dribbling into traffic. They got their pockets picked a few times by a blind side defenseman. They never saw the defensive man even pick their pocket, and away they went for a fast break layup or a dunk. Duh!

Guess what, dude. You can say the same thing about USM as well. USM was scrambling after balls that got away from them, They had their pockets picked from the blindside. It was that type of game. USM had 19 turnovers. UAB had only 12. USM had only six fast break points, so it didn't happened that much.

You are so intent on pointing out everything you think UAB did wrong that you refuse to acknowledge what they did wrong. Gene Bartow would be very ashamed of you.
Nah! Coach Bartow allowed me to familiarize his players, individually, about offensive possessions(a made field goal possession, a missed field goal possession, a free throw possession, and a turnover possession). There are several types of turnovers. The most frequent type of turnover is the bad pass, which accounts for about 40% of all turnovers, on average. The next most frequent type of turnover is the fumble, which accounts for about 30% of all turnovers. Bad passes and fumbles account for 70% of all turnovers. The next most common turnover, surprisingly, is the offensive foul, which accounts for about 15% of all turnovers. That covers about 85% of all turnovers. The remaining 15% of all turnovers are travelling, three seconds in the lane, a five second call, a shot clock violation, or stepping on the out of bounds line.

I know the game, friend(and not dude). I kept my own personal play by play chart for all road games I listened to on the radio or watched on TV, for several seasons, along the way. The above figures are based on averages that I compiled and, of which, I compared to play by play stats that Ray Mears compiled, over the years, as Coach at Tennessee. Not surprisingly, my averages nearly matched his, in every catagory.

Is this way over your head? It is certainly not over the players heads. Maybe they will read it, and improve their offensive efficiency(number of points scored per offensive possession).

The whole point in educating players with such statistical knowledge about turnovers, it takes the mystery out of why and how teams commit so many offensive miscues, and it provides players with a keen ability to be more conscientious, individually, and as a team, during offensive possessions.

One time, in the history of UAB Basketball, UAB had zero turnovers in the first 20 minutes of a game, against Auburn at Auburn, the year George Wilkerson was a senior, and the same night George was assigned to guard Wesley Person for forty minutes. UAB won that game. I might add that George had the flue and did not feel well, at the time. That same team averaged 10 turnovers per game, that season. Several of Coach Bartows teams averaged around 10-12 turnovers per game, well below the national average of 14-16 turnovers per team, per game, and yes that particular statistic did contribute to numbers of wins over the course of a season, and to the number of NCAA and NIT appearances that his teams earned.

Coach Bartow was always proud of me, and players were not the least bit offended at the way I would humbly point out....mistakes. You seem to be offended. Coaches scratch their heads, pat players on the back, tell them that it will get better, but the question is, how can they get better? My philosophy has always been to further educate players as to how to eliminate mistakes, and be more efficient, in offensive play. Besides turnovers, which accounts for a bunch of zeros, shooting percentages determine the average number of points scored per offensive possession, per game. And improving shooting percentages comes from constant individual practice and taking higher percentage shots. For instance, what is the highest percentage shot on the court? The layup, of course, and most of those are bank shot layups, or dunks.
The second highest percentage shot is the 15-18 foot shot. The lowest percentage shot on the court is the 5-10 foot shot, usually taken under a lot of pressure in or around the lane. Those statistics are compiled from averaging shot charts.

Have a good day! I hope you learned something.
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