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(02-02-2013 11:49 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  
(02-02-2013 11:14 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  No more FCS schools

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WTF kit-kat what is Towson.

me perimeterpost no like FCS
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(02-02-2013 01:16 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  For Football only it would work, but there are better options like JMU or Delaware which could easiy jump to the MAC all-sports if UMass changed their minds and came all in.

I don't think Delaware is looking to jump up but JMU would for the right situation.
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(02-02-2013 01:16 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  For Football only it would work, but there are better options like JMU or Delaware which could easiy jump to the MAC all-sports if UMass changed their minds and came all in.

I'll toss another angle into this discussion:

What IF A-10 hoops in the next several years loses Temple (nBE), Xavier, Dayton, etc. (to the Catholic 7 conference, whatever they will be called)?

Does it make it easier for UMass to leave A-10 hoops????
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It will closes the gap between preference two and three, with preference one following Temple.

The A10 generally pays coaches in the ½ to 1 million range and the MAC compensation seems to be about half. So when a team does well they immediately loss their coach and can not sustain a team to build solid name recognition and respect for multiple bids. This also affects recruiting.
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Anyone considering the MAC for all sports would have plenty of reason to be concerned about bringing basketball into the mess our conference has this year.
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(02-02-2013 06:03 PM)axeme Wrote:  Anyone considering the MAC for all sports would have plenty of reason to be concerned about bringing basketball into the mess our conference has this year.

Yeah, it would be a tough sell for UMass to even leave a dilapidated A10 for the MAC. Wouldn't go over well with the solely basketball fans.

I hate all this shuffling.
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(02-02-2013 06:55 PM)EmeryZach Wrote:  
(02-02-2013 06:03 PM)axeme Wrote:  Anyone considering the MAC for all sports would have plenty of reason to be concerned about bringing basketball into the mess our conference has this year.

Yeah, it would be a tough sell for UMass to even leave a dilapidated A10 for the MAC. Wouldn't go over well with the solely basketball fans.

I hate all this shuffling.

Yea it's a really down year for the MAC..
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(02-02-2013 07:58 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(02-02-2013 06:55 PM)EmeryZach Wrote:  
(02-02-2013 06:03 PM)axeme Wrote:  Anyone considering the MAC for all sports would have plenty of reason to be concerned about bringing basketball into the mess our conference has this year.

Yeah, it would be a tough sell for UMass to even leave a dilapidated A10 for the MAC. Wouldn't go over well with the solely basketball fans.

I hate all this shuffling.

Yea it's a really down year for the MAC..

So was last: year until Ohio's tourney run04-bow
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Was reading about the Dayton Rule on the App Site and yet do not even see Dayton listed on th MAC wiki page MAC Wiki paged. So was Dayton in the MAC and is it truely known as the Dayton Rule?

Quote:The ‘Dayton Rule’

Dayton has had a long and illustrious football history at the Division I level, including a stint in what is now the Mid-American Conference and a bowl game appearance. In 1977, however, Dayton dropped to Division III in football but kept the rest of its athletic programs in Division I, including its highly successful men’s basketball program.

Inadvertently, this made Dayton a Division III powerhouse. Once it abolished football scholarships it went 158-29-3 in Division III. From 1980 to 1992, Dayton qualified for the playoffs eight of 12 years, appearing in five Division III championship games and winning two. Although Dayton didn’t offer athletic scholarships, it could offer other items such as Division I training facilities and tickets to see Dayton basketball games.

“For instance, we had a 200-piece marching band,” former Dayton head football coach Mike Kelly told the Dayton (Ohio) Daily News. “There were some who thought that wasn’t what Division III was meant to be. My answer was I don’t remember any of our band members running for a touchdown.”

As a result of this dominance and these differences that made D-III schools uncomfortable, the “Dayton Rule” was born. Essentially, it prevented schools to do what Dayton and others had done: namely, host a nonscholarship football team at the Division III level while maintaining the rest of its athletics program as Division I.

Faced with being forced to play at the Division I level and unable to play in the Division III playoffs, the six schools in Dayton’s situation (Dayton, Valparaiso, Butler, Drake, Evansville and San Diego) bonded and formed the Pioneer Football League in 1992.

“The league was created by necessity,” said Ted Kissell, Dayton’s athletic director, to the Dayton Daily News. “It was without historical rivals, without tradition, but with essentially a common problem, as we wanted to continue to play this brand of football. The rug had been pulled out from under us, all of us. The challenge there is keeping the fans involved as much as recruiting players.”
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I have heard almost everything related to the MAC and NCAA rules but one thing I can tell you for sure is that Dayton was never in the Mid American Conference.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa.../index.php
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The MAC news is just an email Steinbrecher sent out to the MAC schools which then got forwarded to Georgia Southern. I then obtained it via FOIA from Georgia Southern. It doesn't list any schools by name and frankly doesn't say much new. But I still thought it was interesting. I'll be posting it within the next day or two on my site.
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(02-02-2013 10:05 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  I have heard almost everything related to the MAC and NCAA rules but one thing I can tell you for sure is that Dayton was never in the Mid American Conference.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa.../index.php

Just re-read it and said the conference, which is now the MAC. So what conference was there before 1946 that MAC schools have a common history.
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(02-02-2013 10:15 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  
(02-02-2013 10:05 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  I have heard almost everything related to the MAC and NCAA rules but one thing I can tell you for sure is that Dayton was never in the Mid American Conference.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa.../index.php

Just re-read it and said the conference, which is now the MAC. So what conference was there before 1946 that MAC schools have a common history.

Buckeye Intercollegiate Athletic Association (BIAA)?

Ohio Schedule 1938
Illinois (6-0)
Xavier (14-12)
Western Reserve (14-26)
Ohio Wesleyan (28-0)
Wayne State (52-7)
Cincinnati (13-12)
Miami (20-12)
Dayton (0-13)
Marshall (14-7)

The southern ohio schools (Miami, UC, Dayton, Xavier, Ohio) usually stuck together in the old days of football. Case Western Reserve was also part of that group because of academics.
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+1 Thanks for the info.
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(02-02-2013 10:34 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-02-2013 10:15 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  
(02-02-2013 10:05 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  I have heard almost everything related to the MAC and NCAA rules but one thing I can tell you for sure is that Dayton was never in the Mid American Conference.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa.../index.php

Just re-read it and said the conference, which is now the MAC. So what conference was there before 1946 that MAC schools have a common history.

Buckeye Intercollegiate Athletic Association (BIAA)?

Ohio Schedule 1938
Illinois (6-0)
Xavier (14-12)
Western Reserve (14-26)
Ohio Wesleyan (28-0)
Wayne State (52-7)
Cincinnati (13-12)
Miami (20-12)
Dayton (0-13)
Marshall (14-7)

The southern ohio schools (Miami, UC, Dayton, Xavier, Ohio) usually stuck together in the old days of football. Case Western Reserve was also part of that group because of academics.

Good info, thanks. I assume that you're referring to Illinois College in Jacksonville, IL, as U of I has been a member of the Big Ten for over a century now?
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(02-02-2013 09:59 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Was reading about the Dayton Rule on the App Site and yet do not even see Dayton listed on th MAC wiki page MAC Wiki paged. So was Dayton in the MAC and is it truely known as the Dayton Rule?

Davidson used to do the same thing in football. A D-III program I used to work at would play them each year in Football.
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(02-02-2013 10:57 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(02-02-2013 10:34 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-02-2013 10:15 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  
(02-02-2013 10:05 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  I have heard almost everything related to the MAC and NCAA rules but one thing I can tell you for sure is that Dayton was never in the Mid American Conference.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa.../index.php

Just re-read it and said the conference, which is now the MAC. So what conference was there before 1946 that MAC schools have a common history.

Buckeye Intercollegiate Athletic Association (BIAA)?

Ohio Schedule 1938
Illinois (6-0)
Xavier (14-12)
Western Reserve (14-26)
Ohio Wesleyan (28-0)
Wayne State (52-7)
Cincinnati (13-12)
Miami (20-12)
Dayton (0-13)
Marshall (14-7)

The southern ohio schools (Miami, UC, Dayton, Xavier, Ohio) usually stuck together in the old days of football. Case Western Reserve was also part of that group because of academics.

Good info, thanks. I assume that you're referring to Illinois College in Jacksonville, IL, as U of I has been a member of the Big Ten for over a century now?

Illinois wasn't in our conference we just scheduled and beat them. Ohio has an all time winning record against Illinois.

Marshall and Wayne State were not in the conference either, just a few regional games.
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(02-02-2013 03:38 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  
(02-02-2013 01:16 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  For Football only it would work, but there are better options like JMU or Delaware which could easiy jump to the MAC all-sports if UMass changed their minds and came all in.

I don't think Delaware is looking to jump up but JMU would for the right situation.

I guess it just depends on what the leagues look like when the dust settles.

1) How many A10 schools does the C7 take?
2) Could the C7 take a school like UConn (unlikely at this point)
3) How does the A10 respond to the raiding?
4) What does the CAA membership look like in 2 years?

Its possible that JMU and Delaware are invited to the A10 and if that is the case they may be desiring a FB only invite from the MAC.

Alternatively, you could have a situation where Delaware receives an invite to the A10 because of its location while JMU is left holding the bag in the CAA. In that case JMU would obviously be wanting that MAC invite pretty bad.

In light of the situation I would be okay with offering Appalachian State an all sport membership to the MAC today to keep them out of the hands of the SBC with the idea of going to 16 in FB with Illinois State and James Madison by 2015.

The problem with Delaware is they need both a stadium renovation and a basketball arena to put their facilities on the MAC level. Appalachian State is already there facility wise for MAC play in FB/BB. Even Illinois State with a 20 million renovation of Hancock Stadium is more prepared for FBS (somewhat light on seats but OK) than what Delaware is.

Whoever is accepted to the MAC should do so for all sports, I agree with that line of thinking. ASU would accept an all sports to the MAC with the Southern Conference crumbling. JMU might accept an all sport if the CAA is crumbling. The same with Illinois State if Missouri St, Creighton and Evansville depart the MVC.

JMU has really taken a big hit with VCU/ODU departing the CAA. With the geography the way it is (much like Ohio in this regard), they need instate schools for travel purposes. If George Mason moves to the A10 they'll be practically forced to join the MAC as they'll be out of bus range for anybody in the CAA.
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(02-02-2013 10:15 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  
(02-02-2013 10:05 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  I have heard almost everything related to the MAC and NCAA rules but one thing I can tell you for sure is that Dayton was never in the Mid American Conference.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa.../index.php

Just re-read it and said the conference, which is now the MAC. So what conference was there before 1946 that MAC schools have a common history.

To the best of my knowledge, Dayton was never a member of any division 1 football league and always played as an independent.
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Dayton football is part of the non scholarship Pioneer league...it's an FCS level conference that does not grant football scholarhips. IIRC, Jim Harbaugh got his start coaching at fellow Pioneer Conference member San Diego
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