(01-28-2013 07:28 PM)shampoo Wrote:  The vote is meaningless and useless outside of ulterior purposes. The vote in 2007 involved less than a third of the student population and was therefore not representative by numbers alone. I seriously doubt any attempt at analyzing demographics was performed for the purpose of evaluating the reliability of the sample population.

This current vote is also meaningless because the SGA does not operate on the principles of a republic. Presidents and their cabinets, and Senators win popularity contests heavily influenced by lollipops (as noted!) and group pride; whoever has the most lollipops and represents the largest organization/college generally wins. The Honors College is especially capable in these regards, as the last four student presidents were members of the college. The Senate consists, for the most part, of students who need a legislative experience on their CV. Those who get in vote from personal opinion in general. Sometimes that's effective, as many suffer from the group-think mentality and thus vote how their constituency would, anyway. Other times, that creates disastrous, biased results.

I'm not sure about the committees: one would hope they research matters and seek out student input on an appropriate level - BUT, after my own experience seeking funding from the BUC fund, one of the most important aspects of the SGA, I am convinced that they're all incompetent, lacking professional inclinations, and completely at a loss for procedures. They break decorum left and right as they hold superficial discussion/debate. The committees make recommendations that are generally not detailed, and most of the related senate forums are spent for the slower/more obstinate senators to understand what the heck is happening. They learn on the fly, and it shows (not the learning, but the fly part.)

What matters is how the TBR operates. I'm not sure of this. Do they require student support in the form of a positive SGA vote? I hope not. I wouldn't bank anything on the SGA's prowess. If the SGA's support is not necessary, but recommended, then the professional support of ETSU's faculty/staff and the community must out-voice the lame duck SGA. The only ray of light in that dark, unenlightened bunch of "senators" (from Latin "senex" for wise, old man - then "senatus" for the actual senate; these guys are not wise or experienced)...anyways, the only ray is the president. Her support of football may translate into vetoes of anything detrimental the SGA might pass.

Trust this: the professionals at the university can find a way. If Dave Mullins can get a new tennis court tacked onto a parking fee increase by influencing the placement of the garage, then the right-minded Noland should be able to find funding. Obviously, football is a vast expense in comparison, but Noland is vastly more competent by comparison to Mullins.

Well said, get your arse to the meeting tommorrow along with that horn blower in the music dept. Give the children a lollipop and some slap bands and send them on their way.

(01-28-2013 07:28 PM)shampoo Wrote:  The vote is meaningless and useless outside of ulterior purposes. The vote in 2007 involved less than a third of the student population and was therefore not representative by numbers alone. I seriously doubt any attempt at analyzing demographics was performed for the purpose of evaluating the reliability of the sample population.

This current vote is also meaningless because the SGA does not operate on the principles of a republic. Presidents and their cabinets, and Senators win popularity contests heavily influenced by lollipops (as noted!) and group pride; whoever has the most lollipops and represents the largest organization/college generally wins. The Honors College is especially capable in these regards, as the last four student presidents were members of the college. The Senate consists, for the most part, of students who need a legislative experience on their CV. Those who get in vote from personal opinion in general. Sometimes that's effective, as many suffer from the group-think mentality and thus vote how their constituency would, anyway. Other times, that creates disastrous, biased results.

I'm not sure about the committees: one would hope they research matters and seek out student input on an appropriate level - BUT, after my own experience seeking funding from the BUC fund, one of the most important aspects of the SGA, I am convinced that they're all incompetent, lacking professional inclinations, and completely at a loss for procedures. They break decorum left and right as they hold superficial discussion/debate. The committees make recommendations that are generally not detailed, and most of the related senate forums are spent for the slower/more obstinate senators to understand what the heck is happening. They learn on the fly, and it shows (not the learning, but the fly part.)

What matters is how the TBR operates. I'm not sure of this. Do they require student support in the form of a positive SGA vote? I hope not. I wouldn't bank anything on the SGA's prowess. If the SGA's support is not necessary, but recommended, then the professional support of ETSU's faculty/staff and the community must out-voice the lame duck SGA. The only ray of light in that dark, unenlightened bunch of "senators" (from Latin "senex" for wise, old man - then "senatus" for the actual senate; these guys are not wise or experienced)...anyways, the only ray is the president. Her support of football may translate into vetoes of anything detrimental the SGA might pass.

Trust this: the professionals at the university can find a way. If Dave Mullins can get a new tennis court tacked onto a parking fee increase by influencing the placement of the garage, then the right-minded Noland should be able to find funding. Obviously, football is a vast expense in comparison, but Noland is vastly more competent by comparison to Mullins.

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I want to add that my funding efforts were actually successful. My appraisal of the SGA is not a matter of grudge or distaste for individuals, but out of concern for quality governing of the students' best interests.

Keep the horn blower at home, he will do nothing but damage.

I've been pushing ETSU football and spreading word about the vote on social media sites and amongst friends on facebook and twitter. I've had a lot of support from friends but not a whole lot of engagement thus far.

A bigger push needs to exist outside of this forum to promote ETSU football. I know that a lot of people want football at ETSU but many don't want to jump on the wagon because it's not the norm... we need to make the words ETSU and football synonymous.

(01-28-2013 10:01 PM)Youre my boy blue! Wrote:  I've been pushing ETSU football and spreading word about the vote on social media sites and amongst friends on facebook and twitter. I've had a lot of support from friends but not a whole lot of engagement thus far.

A bigger push needs to exist outside of this forum to promote ETSU football. I know that a lot of people want football at ETSU but many don't want to jump on the wagon because it's not the norm... we need to make the words ETSU and football synonymous.

And there is a large group of people out there waiting for the school to make the announcement. They are waiting for that before they step up.

(01-28-2013 10:05 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(01-28-2013 10:01 PM)Youre my boy blue! Wrote:  I've been pushing ETSU football and spreading word about the vote on social media sites and amongst friends on facebook and twitter. I've had a lot of support from friends but not a whole lot of engagement thus far.

A bigger push needs to exist outside of this forum to promote ETSU football. I know that a lot of people want football at ETSU but many don't want to jump on the wagon because it's not the norm... we need to make the words ETSU and football synonymous.

And there is a large group of people out there waiting for the school to make the announcement. They are waiting for that before they step up.

ehhh... I've never understood how people will spend more time and energy complaining about something than they will fixing something that's broken.

If you want it, make it happen. I hope that one day we will be able to say that we helped football happen.

(01-28-2013 10:05 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(01-28-2013 10:01 PM)Youre my boy blue! Wrote:  I've been pushing ETSU football and spreading word about the vote on social media sites and amongst friends on facebook and twitter. I've had a lot of support from friends but not a whole lot of engagement thus far.

A bigger push needs to exist outside of this forum to promote ETSU football. I know that a lot of people want football at ETSU but many don't want to jump on the wagon because it's not the norm... we need to make the words ETSU and football synonymous.

And there is a large group of people out there waiting for the school to make the announcement. They are waiting for that before they step up.

most likely because they have been down this road before...only to be let down...sounds like people are being cautiously optimistic

(01-28-2013 09:54 PM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  Keep the horn blower at home, he will do nothing but damage.

yep

(01-29-2013 07:54 AM)abuc90 Wrote:  

(01-28-2013 09:54 PM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  Keep the horn blower at home, he will do nothing but damage.

yep

Everyone, including myself, just needs to sit back and let this thing take its course. I didn't understand what you all have been saying about not getting caught up in all of the negativity of the anti-football movement, until I actually did. With the news that SoCon is meeting to discuss future members and the rumors of SoCon officials being on campus, with this SGA meeting...it looks like things are lining up.

(01-29-2013 07:54 AM)abuc90 Wrote:  

(01-28-2013 09:54 PM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  Keep the horn blower at home, he will do nothing but damage.

yep

yep yep

Just wanted to throw this out there. It is my understand that there is a feeling that the students need to buy in to move forward.

Remember the students are the customers of the college not the alumni. Like it or not they are the ones who the college has to please not the public.

I think the school is at a crossroads based on my talks with a number of people in the administration.

I think we either establish football in some means or you will see ETSU drop to D2 and reduce the budget for athletics considerably.

I think you are horribly misinformed.

I don't think droppind down to Div II or sports completely are even an options being considered by Dr. Noland.

If football isn't added then I think division 2 is warranted. However, I do not see this scenario playing.

I do remember you Kingsport and I know full well you would love to fall to division 2. You were always very supportive of Mullins and stanton.

Will they be doing this vote in public? Anyone going that can give us the results in real-time?

(01-29-2013 02:05 PM)etsuBucsFan1988 Wrote:  Will they be doing this vote in public? Anyone going that can give us the results in real-time?

your best bet is to check twitter...I'm sure someone will be tweeting about it. ETSU SGA has a twitter @ETSU_SGA

(01-29-2013 01:29 PM)Goldfinger Wrote:  If football isn't added then I think division 2 is warranted. However, I do not see this scenario playing.

I do remember you Kingsport and I know full well you would love to fall to division 2. You were always very supportive of Mullins and stanton.

Gold I responded to this in the other post so I wont do it again here.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=615849&page=2

I was supportive of Stanton and all the good he did. I am not a full bore football guy and I don't think it should be brought back unless it has to keep us from D2 or to get us out of the ASun.

I have never supported going D2 and I would rather give up sports all together than have ETSU spend the money it is spending on D2 athletics.

Gold I would appreciate it if you would quit throwing baseless accusations out there.

ETSU Online is going to try to live webcast the ETSU SGA meeting from the Forum this afternoon at 4 pm. Use the link below.
http://elearning.etsu.edu/sgalive.htm