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Seton Hall beats Syracuse
Wow....the Pirates are making a case for the NCAA tourney...its going to be very hard for the committee to choose between the many BE bubble teams.... This is the current BE standings....UL and ND may not make the BE tourney 04-jawdrop


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What's wrong with Syracuse? They are coming apart at the seams just like Houston did to CUSA! Syracuse was supposed to be one the "flagship" schools of the Big East. Louisville has no room to talk in basketball this year! But Cuse is hurting in basketball and football.
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Wilkie01 Wrote:What's wrong with Syracuse? They are coming apart at the seams just like Houston did to CUSA! Syracuse was supposed to be one the "flagship" schools of the Big East. Louisville has no room to talk in basketball this year! But Cuse is hurting in basketball and football.

Maybe because just like UL, they didn't leave the state in their OOC schedule?
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UC might have a chance at the Carrier Dome!
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Don't look now...but Louis Orr might be keeping his job if the Pirates keep playing like this

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Seton Hall sends No. 24 'Cuse to fourth straight loss
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SYRACUSE, N.Y. (AP) -- All it took was a simple adjustment by Jamar Nutter to help Seton Hall send Syracuse to its fourth straight loss.

Nutter hit a long 3-pointer with 1:55 left to break a 59-all tie and Donald Copeland followed with another long 3 with 72 seconds remaining to help send the Pirates to a 68-61 victory over the Orange (No. 24 ESPN/USA Today; No. 25 AP) on Sunday.

'"Syracuse is so long in their zone. I was rushing my shot and it wasn't coming out of my hand right. I knew I was doing something wrong," said Nutter, who was 0-for-3 from long range and scored just two points before the break. "I was trying to catch it and get it over them quick. In the second half, I just told myself to back up, you can shoot from there.' "

So can Copeland, who swished a long one from left wing just 43 seconds later.

"I had an open look. I felt that was as good a time as ever," said Copeland, who finished with 18 points and eight assists. "It felt good leaving my hand."

The Orange have lost four in a row for the first time since the end of the 2001-02 regular season and for only the third time in Jim Boeheim's 30 years as head coach.

"We've lost a lot of confidence," Boeheim said. "Our offense has got to do better. They made some long 3s and we didn't make any. That's our game. That's the way we have to play. We're getting good looks, we have to make them."

Unranked since November until two weeks ago, the Orange surely will disappear again on Monday.

"It's hard to lose four straight and feel good about yourself," said senior guard Gerry McNamara, who led the Orange with 15 points but shot 5-for-17 overall and missed nine 3-point attempts. "We've just got to battle and try to get another win."

Still, McNamara upped his career points total to 1,893, fifth all-time at Syracuse and 10 points ahead of Dave Bing, He also had five steals to move into second place with 237, two ahead of Sherman Douglas.

It was Syracuse's first game against an unranked team since the Orange (15-6, 3-4 Big East) won 88-82 at Notre Dame 18 days earlier. In between, they had beaten Cincinnati and lost to Connecticut, Villanova, and Pittsburgh.

The Pirates (12-6, 3-3) were coming off an 83-65 victory over North Carolina State (No. 14 ESPN/USA Today; No. 15 AP) on Wednesday night, the Wolfpack's only home loss this season.

Syracuse fell behind 47-41 in the first seven minutes of the second half as Nutter drained three 3-pointers to key a 16-7 Seton Hall run. And every time the Orange came close, the Pirates refused to wilt and kept the crowd of 26,737 quiet.

"We know home-court advantage is like a sixth man," said Nutter, who finished with 19 points. "Once the crowd gets into it, you get energy from it. I saw Boeheim stand up and tell the crowd to get loud. I felt like I had to make a play."

After Demetris Nichols converted his own block into a fast-break layup to move Syracuse within 49-47 midway through the half, Grant Billmeier converted an easy layin and Nutter drained a long 3 from right wing to boost the Pirates lead to 54-48 with 8:13 left.

Terrence Roberts, who had 12 points and 13 rebounds, tied it at 57-all with a follow slam with 3:38 left, and the crowd came alive. After Nutter converted a layup, McNamara hit two free throws to tie it again, but that proved to be the Orange's last gasp.

In the final minute, Nichols' 3-point attempt rimmed in and out and McNamara missed two 3-pointers as the Orange failed to take advantage of missed free throws by Billmeier and Copeland.

Syracuse, troubled by the inconsistent play of 6-foot-11 center Darryl Watkins, tried to get him involved in the offense, with limited success. He had five points, eight rebounds, three blocks, four steals, and didn't foul out as he had in the previous three games, but he offset that with three missed dunks and six turnovers.

"Every time I saw him miss, I was by him. I was like, 'Thank you,' " Nutter said with a smile. "I mean, that's supposed to go in. That's an easy two points."

So are layups, but the Orange missed eight of them, shot 5-for-27 on 3-pointers and scored only 24 points off Seton Hall's 24 turnovers.

"Our guys played hard and with a lot of courage, courage to make some big shots, and the shots were so timely," said Seton Hall coach Louis Orr, who starred at Syracuse under Boeheim
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fsquid Wrote:
Wilkie01 Wrote:What's wrong with Syracuse? They are coming apart at the seams just like Houston did to CUSA! Syracuse was supposed to be one the "flagship" schools of the Big East. Louisville has no room to talk in basketball this year! But Cuse is hurting in basketball and football.

Maybe because just like UL, they didn't leave the state in their OOC schedule?

Maybe its because we actually PLAY IN A TOUCH CONFERENCE.
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I think the following coaches need to get the axe immediately:

Rick Pitino
Jim Boeheim
Tubby Smith
Bill Self
Lute Olson
Skip Prosser
Roy Williams

Obviously these guys are losing to many games and can't coach worth a darn. I mean why are these guys getting paid?LOL This post has sarcasm written all over it.
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kardphan Wrote:
fsquid Wrote:
Wilkie01 Wrote:What's wrong with Syracuse? They are coming apart at the seams just like Houston did to CUSA! Syracuse was supposed to be one the "flagship" schools of the Big East. Louisville has no room to talk in basketball this year! But Cuse is hurting in basketball and football.

Maybe because just like UL, they didn't leave the state in their OOC schedule?

Maybe its because we actually PLAY IN A TOUCH CONFERENCE.

Correct, you do play in a tough conference. Thus, maybe next year, you might want to actually play a few tough games OOC to get you ready for the war that is your conference schedule.

UCONN went to Maui
WVU played in the Guardians Classic, plus LSU, Oklahoma, and UCLA
Pitt played Wisconsin
Nova played Oklahoma, Texas, plus the Big 5 thing they do in Philly

I don't think its any coincidence that these guys are at the top of the conference right now. They came into conference play ready.
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Not really the reason, it is three fold.

1. Palacios is not the same player he was last year. It might be due to his ankle.

2. Padgett and Dean been hurt all freaking year.

3. Way too many FR and SO and not enough upperclassman. Only two scholarship upperclassmen in Dean and Jenkins.
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fsquid Wrote:
kardphan Wrote:
fsquid Wrote:
Wilkie01 Wrote:What's wrong with Syracuse? They are coming apart at the seams just like Houston did to CUSA! Syracuse was supposed to be one the "flagship" schools of the Big East. Louisville has no room to talk in basketball this year! But Cuse is hurting in basketball and football.

Maybe because just like UL, they didn't leave the state in their OOC schedule?

Maybe its because we actually PLAY IN A TOUCH CONFERENCE.

Correct, you do play in a tough conference. Thus, maybe next year, you might want to actually play a few tough games OOC to get you ready for the war that is your conference schedule.

UCONN went to Maui
WVU played in the Guardians Classic, plus LSU, Oklahoma, and UCLA
Pitt played Wisconsin
Nova played Oklahoma, Texas, plus the Big 5 thing they do in Philly

I don't think its any coincidence that these guys are at the top of the conference right now. They came into conference play ready.

And SU played in a tournament in NYC that included Florida and some other big schools.

I am glad that memphis is finally living up to their hype instead of underacheiving the way they have done since calipari got there. Your fans obviously are qualified to talk smack about SU and Louisville, since Memphis is so much of a better program and all.
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Quote:Your fans obviously are qualified to talk smack about SU and Louisville, since Memphis is so much of a better program and all.

I do enjoy reading smack from fans of a school that has NEVER won anything. 05-stirthepot
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- I can't buy the schedule theory. Many of the players and certainly the coaches have been in tough games and knew what to expect. Playing one or two more tougher opponents might've helped but it's also possible to play weak sisters, beat them thoroughly and then retool for a higher calibre of opponent. Even if it takes a few games to adjust. That both teams have had persistent problems at home and away tells me there's something wrong with the balance between the coaches' systems and their personnel. Obviously Louisville hasn't fully adjusted to the impacts of injuries and the style of play in their new conference. As for Syracuse...

- the problem is somewhere on the offensive end. It actually reminds me of football, wherein there are a few skill players and a number of role players. Yet, the skill players are known commodities that are being easily marked and/or suffering a lot of bad days, while the role players have yet to produce more than the minimum. I can't recall the last time I watched a Cuse game and felt the team was physically incapable of putting 80 points on the board, yet that's a common feeling with this side.

- I also credit some of this to the coaching and skills throughout the league. I love the effort I'm typically seeing defensively, and I think this is a magical collection of new/young coaches truly figuring out how to make things work. For as much as Cuse might be making mistakes, you can't take away from the legitimate progress being made at Nova, SHU, SJU and elsewhere.

Worst case scenarios abound for the Cuse, but likely on a 1-year basis. I'm not panicking until I sense Coach Jimmy shows he doesn't know how to fix the problem beyond this season.
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cuseroc Wrote:
fsquid Wrote:
kardphan Wrote:
fsquid Wrote:
Wilkie01 Wrote:What's wrong with Syracuse? They are coming apart at the seams just like Houston did to CUSA! Syracuse was supposed to be one the "flagship" schools of the Big East. Louisville has no room to talk in basketball this year! But Cuse is hurting in basketball and football.

Maybe because just like UL, they didn't leave the state in their OOC schedule?

Maybe its because we actually PLAY IN A TOUCH CONFERENCE.

Correct, you do play in a tough conference. Thus, maybe next year, you might want to actually play a few tough games OOC to get you ready for the war that is your conference schedule.

UCONN went to Maui
WVU played in the Guardians Classic, plus LSU, Oklahoma, and UCLA
Pitt played Wisconsin
Nova played Oklahoma, Texas, plus the Big 5 thing they do in Philly

I don't think its any coincidence that these guys are at the top of the conference right now. They came into conference play ready.

And SU played in a tournament in NYC that included Florida and some other big schools.

I am glad that memphis is finally living up to their hype instead of underacheiving the way they have done since calipari got there. Your fans obviously are qualified to talk smack about SU and Louisville, since Memphis is so much of a better program and all.

Where was I talking smack? Someone posed a question and I gave a logical and thought out answer, even put a little detail up there.
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Maybe because just like UL, they didn't leave the state in their OOC schedule?


The above is kind of smacky. Basically saying not leaving NY state for ooc games is the reason SU is struggling. Go back and take a look at how many ooc games we played outside of NY state in 2003, when SU won the national championship. I would think that Jim boeheim knows what he is doing. That hall of fame thing kinda makes me feel that way, along with the national championship, and the 4 final fours, and 27 seasons of 20 plus wins.
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If the above is smacky, then you've already let the terrorists win. ;-)

I'm aware that you guys basically played this same schedule during your national title run. My argument doesn't work 100% of the time of course, very few arguments do. However, those teams currently at the top of the major conference (yes, I know C-USA is not major in bball, I know someone will say it), all played at least 2-3 games against good foes. I don't think its a coincidence. Its also plagued Kansas the last 2 years.
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fsquid Wrote:If the above is smacky, then you've already let the terrorists win. ;-)

I'm aware that you guys basically played this same schedule during your national title run. My argument doesn't work 100% of the time of course, very few arguments do. However, those teams currently at the top of the major conference (yes, I know C-USA is not major in bball, I know someone will say it), all played at least 2-3 games against good foes. I don't think its a coincidence. Its also plagued Kansas the last 2 years.

I dont know if that affects kansas or not, but basically, kansas is really lousy this season. they have had some worse losses than Cuse.
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