(01-24-2013 10:41 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(01-24-2013 10:08 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(01-24-2013 09:09 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  If the MAC can tighten up the membership and continue to build the success on the field the league will be well positioned for the next TV deal. I don't care what other conferences say. Given where we stand today and with the new outlets coming on line the next couple years (Fox Sports 1 / Fox Sports 2) we will be in line for more TV dollars at some point. It isn't like we can get much lower especially if we have a larger footprint come TV talks.

Given that the new MWC deal is only 800k per school plus 1.5 million for the championship game, I highly doubt the MAC is in for the megabucks. Boise State is looking at closer to 3 million because each TV game pays out 300k (figuring 10 televised). The MAC from what I understand also pays for TV appearance.

Both CUSA and the MWC are making roughly the same amount of money per school as what they did with their TV deals back in the 1990's. The Big East will probably break 3 mil per school because of all the metro markets but will also be spinning its wheels money wise.

With the WAC (400k per year) out of the picture and the SBC (100k per year) damaged there is going to be a lot of interest in securing the MAC's inventory. The MAC also offers stability necessary for a long term deal.

Agreed but remind me again how much the current MAC TV contract is worth? Figure UMass and one other team in a new market / region plus our existing lineup and the loss of the WAC and other shifts you mention above and the MAC should be in line for a decent raise. Again the thought here is we basically make nothing from TV now so what we end up with will be an improvement over the current.

The MAC is maybe at right now 200k per school but also pulls a MWC where schools are paid for TV appearances (150k). Also the NCAA money in the MAC is now distributed unevenly. Conference dues are 100k per schoool and they go into the till.

Unequal revenue sharing is good for the Ohio's and the NIU's of the conference who are the benefactors while not as good for Eastern Michigan. This is one reason why you aren't seeing the better positioned MAC schools heading to CUSA.

Then in CUSA where they have equal revenue sharing (though they are changing that now for basketball) it benefits the UTEP's and Rice's of the conference who don't do anything and all of those FCS schools who aren't ready to compete. They would rather stay in CUSA and receive 1.1 mil than to go to the MWC and get pounded by Boise State.

Its getting to the point where the MAC, CUSA and MWC are equals financially and occupy unique regions so unable to take teams from each other.

(01-24-2013 10:41 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(01-24-2013 10:08 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(01-24-2013 09:09 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  If the MAC can tighten up the membership and continue to build the success on the field the league will be well positioned for the next TV deal. I don't care what other conferences say. Given where we stand today and with the new outlets coming on line the next couple years (Fox Sports 1 / Fox Sports 2) we will be in line for more TV dollars at some point. It isn't like we can get much lower especially if we have a larger footprint come TV talks.

Given that the new MWC deal is only 800k per school plus 1.5 million for the championship game, I highly doubt the MAC is in for the megabucks. Boise State is looking at closer to 3 million because each TV game pays out 300k (figuring 10 televised). The MAC from what I understand also pays for TV appearance.

Both CUSA and the MWC are making roughly the same amount of money per school as what they did with their TV deals back in the 1990's. The Big East will probably break 3 mil per school because of all the metro markets but will also be spinning its wheels money wise.

With the WAC (400k per year) out of the picture and the SBC (100k per year) damaged there is going to be a lot of interest in securing the MAC's inventory. The MAC also offers stability necessary for a long term deal.

Agreed but remind me again how much the current MAC TV contract is worth? Figure UMass and one other team in a new market / region plus our existing lineup and the loss of the WAC and other shifts you mention above and the MAC should be in line for a decent raise. Again the thought here is we basically make nothing from TV now so what we end up with will be an improvement over the current.

Hopefully in the coming years we'll see weeknights full of MAC games where there's no other national event to show, with Saturdays of MACtion all around on regional FSN channels. STO being bought by Fox can only be a good sign as a first step towards an improvement. Like many have said, we can only go up with the C-USA and Belt falling off, the new playoff model, and the WAC gone. Of course the AQs will make the bulk, but whatever.

BTW, the big money maker in 2014 won't be television but revenue sharing from the new playoff system.

I might have read that revenue per team (for non-AQ conferences like the MAC) could approach one million bucks per school per year.

Television monies pales by comparison.

(01-25-2013 06:06 PM)emu steve Wrote:  BTW, the big money maker in 2014 won't be television but revenue sharing from the new playoff system.

I might have read that revenue per team (for non-AQ conferences like the MAC) could approach one million bucks per school per year.

Television monies pales by comparison.

That money as I see it is a big carrot the MAC can offer a prospective member.

The MAC should use its carrot to get Illinois State to join for all sports.

You use money to make more money. ISU would just be a waste of money.

(01-25-2013 08:26 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  You use money to make more money. ISU would just be a waste of money.

ISU is a ridiculously horrible idea. We already have too many Michigan and Ohio teams, another Illinois team is just as redundant market-wise, grab a Delaware, Marshall, Missouri State, anyone that brings in a NEW market.

(01-25-2013 09:19 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 08:26 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  You use money to make more money. ISU would just be a waste of money.

ISU is a ridiculously horrible idea. We already have too many Michigan and Ohio teams, another Illinois team is just as redundant market-wise, grab a Delaware, Marshall, Missouri State, anyone that brings in a NEW market.

I agree

We're waiting for this deal to get done.

(01-25-2013 10:50 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  We're waiting for this deal to get done.

It'll be you or Delaware, and you're the favorite with your facilities being upgraded so much in recent years. UMass will probably have to join for all first before that happens though. Until then...

After going out and looking up the messageboards of the "usual suspects", the only fanbases that seem receptive to a move to the MAC are JMU and Northern Iowa.

Northern Iowa would be a huge add. Basketball would pump life into the MAC west.

(01-26-2013 01:11 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Northern Iowa would be a huge add. Basketball would pump life into the MAC west.

It would be VERY nice to avoid adding any more directionals.

(01-26-2013 01:15 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 01:11 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Northern Iowa would be a huge add. Basketball would pump life into the MAC west.

It would be VERY nice to avoid adding any more directionals.

My question though is would it eleviate the NIU/UNI confusion or add to it if they were to join the MAC?

(01-25-2013 09:19 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 08:26 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  You use money to make more money. ISU would just be a waste of money.

ISU is a ridiculously horrible idea. We already have too many Michigan and Ohio teams, another Illinois team is just as redundant market-wise, grab a Delaware, Marshall, Missouri State, anyone that brings in a NEW market.

We have too many teams from Ohio and Michigan but Illinois has absolutely nothing to do with that. Another Illinois school balances the conference out if anything.. Two in a state is a nice number.

I completely understand why NIU fans would be against it.. You have a monopoly right now. Of course you want to keep that.

No more directionals? Damn. Guess we should retract that invite to USC.

(01-26-2013 01:11 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Northern Iowa would be a huge add. Basketball would pump life into the MAC west.

Northern Iowa would not only be a huge add in basketball, they are very solid in football. The question would be do they want to step up to FBS football?

This NIU fan is in favor of inviting the Panthers into the MAC.

(01-26-2013 07:39 AM)The Optimist Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 09:19 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 08:26 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  You use money to make more money. ISU would just be a waste of money.

ISU is a ridiculously horrible idea. We already have too many Michigan and Ohio teams, another Illinois team is just as redundant market-wise, grab a Delaware, Marshall, Missouri State, anyone that brings in a NEW market.

We have too many teams from Ohio and Michigan but Illinois has absolutely nothing to do with that. Another Illinois school balances the conference out if anything.. Two in a state is a nice number.

I completely understand why NIU fans would be against it.. You have a monopoly right now. Of course you want to keep that.

Illinois State would give NIU a true conference rival I'm not sure why they wouldn't be wanting that. Ask what NIU faculty thinks about adding ISU to the MAC.

If membership was only offered to residential campuses the MAC could have a different look.

MAC West: NIU, Illinois St, Ball St, WMU, CMU, EMU
MAC East: BG, Miami, Ohio, Kent St, Buffalo, Stony Brook

Part of me would like to see Toledo or Akron move on to CUSA to solve the too many Ohio school problem and open up spaces for other schools.

If UNI were to get the MAC invite, they'd have to do something about the UNI Dome. Even with the new turf, it looks dumpy now and only seats about 16,000.

(01-26-2013 01:15 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 01:11 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Northern Iowa would be a huge add. Basketball would pump life into the MAC west.

It would be VERY nice to avoid adding any more directionals.

Yeah, that's a solid reason to avoid adding a viable school.

(01-25-2013 09:19 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 08:26 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  You use money to make more money. ISU would just be a waste of money.

ISU is a ridiculously horrible idea. We already have too many Michigan and Ohio teams, another Illinois team is just as redundant market-wise, grab a Delaware, Marshall, Missouri State, anyone that brings in a NEW market.

Those "too many" Ohio and Michigan schools are the backbone of the MAC, most of whom have been with the conference for several decades and never left and came back begging for re-entry. Yeah, we don't want any more of that stability in the MAC.