Attendance can go up and down, be built and lost. Market size/school location is permanent and more a more important variable when discussing expansion..

(01-26-2013 12:52 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 12:37 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 12:24 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 11:53 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(01-24-2013 07:28 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  Agreed. Whatever we want to do, get it done. Don't worry about other clowns.

I'm sorry we've got to wait to see what the Big East does.

The MAC cannot go out and bring WKU into the conference for example when Tulsa heading to the BE leads to an invite for WKU to CUSA.

What if the BE decides to add UMass FB-Only? Then the MAC will be back to 12 schools. Will the MAC take the attitude of addition by subtraction and feel the need to add at all?

CUSA could throw the MAC a surprise too by taking Akron which fits the CUSA prototype basketball oriented school with a shiny new football facility in a large media market (Cleveland-Akron).

Karl Benson is telling Georgia Southern the SBC needs to wait too. I think its well understood why the MAC has decided to wait an extra year before replacing Temple.

Quote:“The Sun Belt is the place we want to go. Ideally, the Sun Belt meets our geographical needs and meets our needs of what we’re trying to compete against. I think it’s the best fit for our university.”

Kleinlein says he has weekly conversations with Sun Belt commissioner Karl Benson, but the school presidents of the Sun Belt are waiting to see what unfolds — particularly in Conference USA and the Big East.

Seemingly, there is a domino effect. The Big East raids Conference USA to fill openings. Conference USA then fills its openings with Sun Belt teams.
http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=614966&page=2

Given the MAC revenue structure, the upcoming reforms, and the rising strength of our football as a whole, I don't think any of our teams would go to the C-USA. Money wouldn't justify travel costs and lost rivalries, especially in a conference that is quickly becoming the new Sun Belt, although WKU might be vulnerable with MTSU over there. Still, I don't think a school will hop from one conference to a superior one, then make a lateral move after paying an exit fee for nothing.

All we need to do in the immediate future is give UMass an ultimatum in membership, and we'll move from there. If they say no, then let them expire and we'll be happy for only having to share the pot with 12 schools. If they say yes, we act quickly to grab (insert school) since we hold the upper hand.

I could see where a program like Akron that has not had much success on the football field might be enticed to move to a stronger basketball conference that plays easier football.

I do think some separation is building in this conference as a few schools want to push investment.

Northern Illinois (football salaries)
Miami (hockey salaries)
Akron (football, basketball, soccer salaries)
Ohio (football, basketball salaries)
Buffalo (maybe by 2020)

Those are the schools where you see the investment. Most of the other schools in the MAC a perfectly content with where they are at and happy to just pay average MAC salaries.

I'm pretty sure Toledo pays in the upper tier for MAC salaries...

Toledo's salaries are not upper tier for the MAC in football/basketball.

NIU, Akron and Ohio consistently run higher than the MAC average. Bowling Green and WMU almost always pay in the lower half. Toledo is more in the middle tier with EMU and Ball State.

Campbell is making 360,000 at Toledo which is slightly above average. One would think a school with Toledo's tradition would have aimed higher than 360k and the youngest coach in the country.

http://thepost.ohiou.edu/content/solich-...c-salaries

I'm guessing a majority of schools in every conference pay salaries that are about conference average. And 2-3 are above. And 2-3 are lower. You know?

(01-26-2013 04:55 PM)axeme Wrote:  I'm guessing a majority of schools in every conference pay salaries that are about conference average. And 2-3 are above. And 2-3 are lower. You know?

Funny how that works out.

(01-26-2013 04:55 PM)axeme Wrote:  I'm guessing a majority of schools in every conference pay salaries that are about conference average. And 2-3 are above. And 2-3 are lower. You know?

The litmus test is whether a school is paying at the top when they have the program at the top.

Bowling Green had a lot of success over the last decade in football and the same with Western Michigan in basketball yet their coaching salaries are at the bottom of the MAC in both sports. Its one thing if they've been near the bottom to pay a minimal amount for a new coach but with the success they've have its shows a lack of commitment.

Eastern Michigan at least is trying to raise the bar with its coaching salaries and keeping abreast with the league in budget and facilities.

Ohio 20 years ago was in Eastern Michigan's shoes and started investing more heavily in coaches. Ohio then built its football and basketball programs gradually to the top of the MAC and made sure the salaries reflected that of a top performing program.

Its just an observation. Some schools in the MAC are not aiming high enough.

(01-26-2013 06:16 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 04:55 PM)axeme Wrote:  I'm guessing a majority of schools in every conference pay salaries that are about conference average. And 2-3 are above. And 2-3 are lower. You know?

The litmus test is whether a school is paying at the top when they have the program at the top.

Bowling Green had a lot of success over the last decade in football and the same with Western Michigan in basketball yet their coaching salaries are at the bottom of the MAC in both sports. Its one thing if they've been near the bottom to pay a minimal amount for a new coach but with the success they've have its shows a lack of commitment.

Eastern Michigan at least is trying to raise the bar with its coaching salaries and keeping abreast with the league in budget and facilities.

Ohio 20 years ago was in Eastern Michigan's shoes and started investing more heavily in coaches. Ohio then built its football and basketball programs gradually to the top of the MAC and made sure the salaries reflected that of a top performing program.

Its just an observation. Some schools in the MAC are not aiming high enough.

Just "an observation", or just an opportunity for you to give Ohio another cyber-hand-job?

(01-26-2013 06:22 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 06:16 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 04:55 PM)axeme Wrote:  I'm guessing a majority of schools in every conference pay salaries that are about conference average. And 2-3 are above. And 2-3 are lower. You know?

The litmus test is whether a school is paying at the top when they have the program at the top.

Bowling Green had a lot of success over the last decade in football and the same with Western Michigan in basketball yet their coaching salaries are at the bottom of the MAC in both sports. Its one thing if they've been near the bottom to pay a minimal amount for a new coach but with the success they've have its shows a lack of commitment.

Eastern Michigan at least is trying to raise the bar with its coaching salaries and keeping abreast with the league in budget and facilities.

Ohio 20 years ago was in Eastern Michigan's shoes and started investing more heavily in coaches. Ohio then built its football and basketball programs gradually to the top of the MAC and made sure the salaries reflected that of a top performing program.

Its just an observation. Some schools in the MAC are not aiming high enough.

Just "an observation", or just an opportunity for you to give Ohio another cyber-hand-job?

I just feel Ohio success is getting dismissed as random and not the result of an increased financial commitment which it is.

One thing I believe Ohio has on a lot of other mid major schools is "brand". The school has a very distinct culture as a rockin party school. Its easier to get the coaches in and to think big time when you've got a popular school to work with.

Things that you need to win at the mid major level like systems and 5th year players can work when you can sell a school. Some of the schools in the MAC can be easily confused with FCS or even DII institutions within their own states.

Northern Illinois (MAC), Western Illinois (Summit), Eastern Illinois (OVC)...what is the difference to a basketball recruit between those 3 schools? The only difference is NIU has FBS football while the other 2 schools don't.

(01-26-2013 04:57 PM)HuronDave Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 04:55 PM)axeme Wrote:  I'm guessing a majority of schools in every conference pay salaries that are about conference average. And 2-3 are above. And 2-3 are lower. You know?

Funny how that works out.

I thought all the teams were above average?

(01-26-2013 06:48 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 06:22 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 06:16 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 04:55 PM)axeme Wrote:  I'm guessing a majority of schools in every conference pay salaries that are about conference average. And 2-3 are above. And 2-3 are lower. You know?

The litmus test is whether a school is paying at the top when they have the program at the top.

Bowling Green had a lot of success over the last decade in football and the same with Western Michigan in basketball yet their coaching salaries are at the bottom of the MAC in both sports. Its one thing if they've been near the bottom to pay a minimal amount for a new coach but with the success they've have its shows a lack of commitment.

Eastern Michigan at least is trying to raise the bar with its coaching salaries and keeping abreast with the league in budget and facilities.

Ohio 20 years ago was in Eastern Michigan's shoes and started investing more heavily in coaches. Ohio then built its football and basketball programs gradually to the top of the MAC and made sure the salaries reflected that of a top performing program.

Its just an observation. Some schools in the MAC are not aiming high enough.

Just "an observation", or just an opportunity for you to give Ohio another cyber-hand-job?

I just feel Ohio success is getting dismissed as random and not the result of an increased financial commitment which it is.

One thing I believe Ohio has on a lot of other mid major schools is "brand". The school has a very distinct culture as a rockin party school. Its easier to get the coaches in and to think big time when you've got a popular school to work with.

Things that you need to win at the mid major level like systems and 5th year players can work when you can sell a school. Some of the schools in the MAC can be easily confused with FCS or even DII institutions within their own states.

Northern Illinois (MAC), Western Illinois (Summit), Eastern Illinois (OVC)...what is the difference to a basketball recruit between those 3 schools? The only difference is NIU has FBS football while the other 2 schools don't.

Are you high, or just a complete d*uchebag? Those of us who have read your past posts of course know the answer.

LK, guess you have never been to Western Illinois, NIU and Eastern Illinois. I have, and believe me there is a world of difference in facilities. Heck, NIU arguably has one of the best arenas in the MAC..has it translated to success in hoops...absolutely not. I don't mean to offend anyone here that might be a graduate, but Western Illinois is a very dreary and dated place with very few buildings constructed in the last 20 years.

Is the meeting MAC meeting referenced by the Miami AD currently going on? If so, anybody hear anything on happenings and so forth?