(12-14-2012 11:49 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 05:58 AM)FeFiFo Wrote:  

(12-13-2012 12:00 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  with the BE imploding,CUSA in shambles, and the MAC being the best remaining non-AQ conf, there is absolutely no way in hell we should be considering an FCS team. if anything we jettison UMass and go back to 12.

The BE is not imploding. Will put the BE football schools in a lot better position. Plus NCAA is giving us an auto bid, and leaving schools cannot affect the BE.

I picture you saying this while lying on the ground in the fetal position, holding yourself and gently rocking back and forth while staring into nothingness.

(12-14-2012 07:51 AM)KAUMASS Wrote:  Yes, being sarcastic. You can feel the love for UMass by some of the posters here. Sammy Davis Jr would get more of a welcome at Archie Bunker's house than some people here give us.

That's true though. Sometimes I cringe at the posts about sending UMASS out. Please understand though that it is only coming from being a football only school. EVERYBODY here would LOVE to have UMASS as all sports.

(12-14-2012 03:56 PM)Campbell4President Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 07:51 AM)KAUMASS Wrote:  Yes, being sarcastic. You can feel the love for UMass by some of the posters here. Sammy Davis Jr would get more of a welcome at Archie Bunker's house than some people here give us.

That's true though. Sometimes I cringe at the posts about sending UMASS out. Please understand though that it is only coming from being a football only school. EVERYBODY here would LOVE to have UMASS as all sports.

Not everybody.

(12-14-2012 05:20 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 03:56 PM)Campbell4President Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 07:51 AM)KAUMASS Wrote:  Yes, being sarcastic. You can feel the love for UMass by some of the posters here. Sammy Davis Jr would get more of a welcome at Archie Bunker's house than some people here give us.

That's true though. Sometimes I cringe at the posts about sending UMASS out. Please understand though that it is only coming from being a football only school. EVERYBODY here would LOVE to have UMASS as all sports.

Not everybody.

Stay the hell away from the hockey program.

(12-14-2012 03:56 PM)Campbell4President Wrote:  That's true though. Sometimes I cringe at the posts about sending UMASS out. Please understand though that it is only coming from being a football only school. EVERYBODY here would LOVE to have UMASS as all sports.

I think in some cases it's also some residual bitterness about Temple. But yes, if UMass made it clear that they wanted to go all-in with the MAC, I think most people would welcome them.

(12-14-2012 06:29 PM)cmadler Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 03:56 PM)Campbell4President Wrote:  That's true though. Sometimes I cringe at the posts about sending UMASS out. Please understand though that it is only coming from being a football only school. EVERYBODY here would LOVE to have UMASS as all sports.

I think in some cases it's also some residual bitterness about Temple. But yes, if UMass made it clear that they wanted to go all-in with the MAC, I think most people would welcome them.

Yea, I think the vast majority would. Even if just for football and basketball.

Think it would take a very attractive 14th team to get us all in. It's more likely we stick with the status quo. Looking forward to Ohio vs UMass on Dec 19th. To bad the students will be gone.

This is a minority view and more like the idea of the new Big East Football. So in the middle is the status quo.

Quote:I think the MAC for all sports is a very stable option that may bore a few people. Imagine if UMass had the same athletic success as, say, Miami (OH). The Redhawks are consistently good in football, basketball contends (and has arguably been better than UMass), and they have a hockey team that is always in the mix. (NOTE: I am NOT advocating that hockey moves to the CCHA)

That is what UMass in the MAC can be. I'm fairly certain most UMass fans would take that existence in the college landscape. It is stable and, honestly, realistic.

UMass is in no position to win national championships in football and hoops. It can, however, be a consistent bowl team and compete for conference championships yearly in hoops and other sports.

The MAC is incredibly stable due to its boring allotment of Rust Belt directional schools ... no one is poaching. That stability is also the conference's strength, and UMass could benefit from fully understanding where it stands.

I keep thinking about it, and I really wouldn't mind being Miami (OH). There's something to root for, you're not looking over your shoulder, and people know who you are.

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I like the idea of UMass in the MAC, but feel that soildarity, longevity and tradition are born from dedicated all sport members. Part of the mess right now is the FB only relationships that have arisen lately, they seem to be inherently non-permanent. Lets get 1 or 3 east coast play dates for them and lock on all sports. The MAC is on the move, lets get a few more strong members and lock down the hatches.

(12-14-2012 10:00 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  I like the idea of UMass in the MAC, but feel that soildarity, longevity and tradition are born from dedicated all sport members. Part of the mess right now is the FB only relationships that have arisen lately, they seem to be inherently non-permanent. Lets get 1 or 3 east coast play dates for them and lock on all sports. The MAC is on the move, lets get a few more strong members and lock down the hatches.

Locking in UMass all sports would be the ideal play for the MAC right now. Then once you feel confident that they are in and committed to maintaining the solidarity and building the league together, you work on securing a 14th that makes sense. Those other scenarios are too far fetched and likely will never end with us getting bigger teams. We already have an ideal candidate in house in UMass so we should work toward bringing them all in. If the A-10 goes through a sizable shift as expected it would be the ideal time for them to make that move. And hopefully if it got to that point the commish wins them all in with a plan on how to improve the hoops side.

First let me preface by saying that I really like having UMass in the MAC and want then to stay and succeed.

with that being said, they need to get all in or get all out. The MAC has ALL the leverage, use it. UMass has a good bball team but they would not dominate the MAC. Adding to the quality of MAC bball would help take the sting out of the dead weight their fball team brings. It makes no sense to customize a deal that is all roses for them but not for the conference. screw that. you want to play big boy football, make a sacrifice.

(12-14-2012 07:10 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Think it would take a very attractive 14th team to get us all in. It's more likely we stick with the status quo. Looking forward to Ohio vs UMass on Dec 19th. To bad the students will be gone.

This is a minority view and more like the idea of the new Big East Football. So in the middle is the status quo.

Quote:I think the MAC for all sports is a very stable option that may bore a few people. Imagine if UMass had the same athletic success as, say, Miami (OH). The Redhawks are consistently good in football, basketball contends (and has arguably been better than UMass), and they have a hockey team that is always in the mix. (NOTE: I am NOT advocating that hockey moves to the CCHA)

That is what UMass in the MAC can be. I'm fairly certain most UMass fans would take that existence in the college landscape. It is stable and, honestly, realistic.

UMass is in no position to win national championships in football and hoops. It can, however, be a consistent bowl team and compete for conference championships yearly in hoops and other sports.

The MAC is incredibly stable due to its boring allotment of Rust Belt directional schools ... no one is poaching. That stability is also the conference's strength, and UMass could benefit from fully understanding where it stands.

I keep thinking about it, and I really wouldn't mind being Miami (OH). There's something to root for, you're not looking over your shoulder, and people know who you are.

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I wouldn't say that our football team is usually good or our basketball team usually contends, but I definitely see what you're trying to say, and thanks for the complement on Miami. History wise, we have deep roots in college athletics between the Cradle, our basketball runs in the 90's, and hockey seasons of late. UMass will always capture a larger fan base than us though, that's a strength that you and most of the MAC have over us just on numbers alone. That market, along with the strength of your programs makes me lean in the direction to want to accept UMass in full. Yet, I think most people here would agree that focusing on snatching UConn, UC, or Temple is a higher priority now, given how we're in a strong position and they're desperate. I certainly wouldn't kick you guys out, nor would I do so with EMU, Akron, etc.

If the MAC is smart, they lock up a solid 14th member with a solid BB program and entice UMass to go all sports. Allegiances aside, I see UMass waiting and seeing what happens when all the cards on the table have been played out in a year or two. We have no urgency to do anything for a bit. We are happy to be in the MAC for now in football but that could change.

If the MAC can lock up 2 programs for now in all sports and kick us out in another year or put tremendous pressure on us to go all sports, I wouldn't blame them. Or, go back to 12 members and write off the football only members as an experiment. It's getting crazy with this re-alignment. The MAC has been stable over the years but I also think they need to watch out in case their raided as well. Yeah, my wife would never cheat on me. I know her too well and we've been together for 20 years. Heard that one b4.