Second Half advertisers' nightmare. And to all a good night.

Hey don't go to bed yet. They may show more shots of AJ's girlfriend. At least creepy Brent Musburger will be drooling over her.
http://deadspin.com/5974000/brent-musbur...erine-webb

WKU was only down 21 at halftime instead of 28.

You can bet if norrhern illinois had been playing tonight
Against alabama...that nut herbstreet would be saying they
Don't belong

(01-07-2013 10:17 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  WKU was only down 21 at halftime instead of 28.

You can bet if norrhern illinois had been playing tonight
Against alabama...that nut herbstreet would be saying they
Don't belong

Notre Dame definitely does not belong.

The limited joke of a playoff they have accepted would have been
#1 Notre Dame vs #4 Oregon
#2 Alabama vs #3 Florida

IMHO that pits Oregon vs Alabama in the final.
But, really, it is just making a mockery of playoffs anyway, to appease the masses. If there are the 'Big 5' then they all should be represented in a playoff system but, as ever, it's all about the $$$.
When they do go to 8 or 16, let me know. (If I'm not dead by then)

This game is a shocker...

(01-07-2013 09:16 PM)winston70 Wrote:  Really need a playoff - the BCS is turning into a joke

With a real playoff, ND would have probably been eliminated much earlier, and the two best teams would be playing tonight. We won't really solve a thing until we stop doing this on paper and give every conference champ a chance to prove themselves on the field.

A playoff doesn't grantee the best two team will meet in the finals so how does that change anything.

No matter who's the #2 team I have no doubts the #1 team in college football won tonight and hands down which conference is head and shoulder better than the rest and why a 1 loss SEC team should always be in the BCS game.

I have plenty of doubts that Alabama is the best team in the country.

(01-08-2013 01:46 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  A playoff doesn't grantee the best two team will meet in the finals so how does that change anything.

No matter who's the #2 team I have no doubts the #1 team in college football won tonight and hands down which conference is head and shoulder better than the rest and why a 1 loss SEC team should always be in the BCS game.

Just as it doesn't guarantee the best 2 in any other championship the NCAA has. Conferences do not play other conferences and teams enough to really know (thus my irritation with conference championships). If an SEC team can't make it through a playoff run then they don't deserve the title.

Your second paragraph is one of the arguments used (in a way) for there always being an SEC team in there. I do hope you are old enough to recall when this was not the case and people were not so tuned out by the same ol, same ol.
A playoff makes it so much more interesting and removes the status quo.

Teams have been left out and robbed of a BCS title or chance to garner one because of the perception about the SEC. Other conferences should be given the chance to prove or disprove this. A playoff is the only way to do that.

In the FCS (as an example) the power conferences are the CAA, Big Sky, SoCon and the MVC. The SLC is middle of the pack (5th or 6th). This year their runner up (SHSU) was unseeded and played 2 of their 3 playoff games on the road but there they were, in the NC. They earned it...on the field. Returning for a 2nd year, you can't say they didn't earn it or they weren't a good team; yet they weren't in the top 5 (seeded) going in. In the BCS system they wouldn't even have had a shot at the title.

I think Oregon and A&M could have made a good run at the NC and a rematch could have happened but, we are stuck with the system as it is and the upcoming illogic 4 team debacle that is about to take over.

(01-07-2013 09:04 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  Man, I wish Nick Saban had stayed with the Miami Dolphins.

MAN, I'm glad he didn't and that he came back to the college game. He's not hurting the SBC.

(01-07-2013 09:34 PM)winston70 Wrote:  Texas A&M is probably the best team in the country now anyway.

Yeah, but..........who really knows? Every team can have a bad game, even aTm.

(01-08-2013 08:13 AM)warhawk09 Wrote:  I have plenty of doubts that Alabama is the best team in the country.

That can be said of any national champion and the the argument will continue to go on even after 2014 and the playoffs. Everyone has an opinion, like AHs.

(01-08-2013 11:32 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(01-07-2013 09:34 PM)winston70 Wrote:  Texas A&M is probably the best team in the country now anyway.

Yeah, but..........who really knows? Every team can have a bad game, even aTm.

I don't think they are(aTm). They didn't really beat Bama any worse than LSU did last year and when Bama got their shot at redemption they dominated.

It's clear that Saban is the best coach in America and knows how to prepare his team for the big game, I'm not saying Bama goes to the title game, or even to the playoffs, every year, but as long as Saban is there, I'm not sure I see them losing a title game. If he were to stay another ten years I think he could easily win another four titles.

Despite the way the game went last night, I think Kelly at Notre Dame will be one of the biggest threats to ending the SEC's run. They were really good this year and will have a top five recruiting class next year and Kelly has a learning experience from this season.I'm not saying they definitely win one, but their gonna be back in the discussion fairly often I expect and if they go back it will likely be with a more talented team that will be better prepared.

(01-08-2013 12:32 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 11:32 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(01-07-2013 09:34 PM)winston70 Wrote:  Texas A&M is probably the best team in the country now anyway.

Yeah, but..........who really knows? Every team can have a bad game, even aTm.

I don't think they are(aTm). They didn't really beat Bama any worse than LSU did last year and when Bama got their shot at redemption they dominated.

It's clear that Saban is the best coach in America and knows how to prepare his team for the big game, I'm not saying Bama goes to the title game, or even to the playoffs, every year, but as long as Saban is there, I'm not sure I see them losing a title game. If he were to stay another ten years I think he could easily win another four titles.

Despite the way the game went last night, I think Kelly at Notre Dame will be one of the biggest threats to ending the SEC's run. They were really good this year and will have a top five recruiting class next year and Kelly has a learning experience from this season.I'm not saying they definitely win one, but their gonna be back in the discussion fairly often I expect and if they go back it will likely be with a more talented team that will be better prepared.

Notre Dame, despite all the hype and the undefeated season, was not that good this year. They caught the perfect storm of having Michigan and USC on their schedule in a year which was truly horrible for both. The only quality team they played was Stanford [a team they beat only because of a blown call], and Stanford would have finished no better than third in either division of the SEC.

Kelly said it exactly right last night when he was asked at half time what it would take for ND to get back in the game in the second half.... Alabama would have had to stay in the locker room.

I would put Notre Dame somewhere between Mississippi State and South Carolina, but closer to State than Carolina.

(01-08-2013 01:00 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  Notre Dame, despite all the hype and the undefeated season, was not that good this year. They caught the perfect storm of having Michigan and USC on their schedule in a year which was truly horrible for both. The only quality team they played was Stanford [a team they beat only because of a blown call], and Stanford would have finished no better than third in either division of the SEC.

Kelly said it exactly right last night when he was asked at half time what it would take for ND to get back in the game in the second half.... Alabama would have had to stay in the locker room.

I would put Notre Dame somewhere between Mississippi State and South Carolina, but closer to State than Carolina.

I was never really impressed with Notre Dame all season, their three wins all by 3 points against three average to poor teams(Purdue, BYU, Pitt) told me all I needed to
know. Having said that Kelly has won 28 games in three seasons, Weiss won 35 in five seasons(and if you cherry pick his best three seasons, you still only come up with 26
wins) Ty Willingham won 21 in three seasons. There's no denying Notre Dame's history and Kelly is their 30th coach in their history, 8 wins next season would give him the 7th highest win total out of 30, if years 4-6 are as good as 1-3 he'll jump to fifth.

(01-08-2013 01:20 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 01:00 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  Notre Dame, despite all the hype and the undefeated season, was not that good this year. They caught the perfect storm of having Michigan and USC on their schedule in a year which was truly horrible for both. The only quality team they played was Stanford [a team they beat only because of a blown call], and Stanford would have finished no better than third in either division of the SEC.

Kelly said it exactly right last night when he was asked at half time what it would take for ND to get back in the game in the second half.... Alabama would have had to stay in the locker room.

I would put Notre Dame somewhere between Mississippi State and South Carolina, but closer to State than Carolina.

I was never really impressed with Notre Dame all season, their three wins all by 3 points against three average to poor teams(Purdue, BYU, Pitt) told me all I needed to
know. Having said that Kelly has won 28 games in three seasons, Weiss won 35 in five seasons(and if you cherry pick his best three seasons, you still only come up with 26
wins) Ty Willingham won 21 in three seasons. There's no denying Notre Dame's history and Kelly is their 30th coach in their history, 8 wins next season would give him the 7th highest win total out of 30, if years 4-6 are as good as 1-3 he'll jump to fifth.

Those numbers are like all other statistics.. while true, they do not necessarily reflect the truth. In Kelly's tenure, he really has been very fortunate to catch the Big 10 in a stretch when its traditional powers have been very weak, and the service academies, which were formidable opponents when Rockne and Leahy coached at ND, are an afterthought in college football. USC has also been in disarray.

While 28 wins in 3 seasons with ND's schedule is something most schools would love to have, Alabama and LSU would have been undefeated or one loss teams all three years if they played it. For that matter so would Oregon, and probably Florida, Georgia and South Carolina.

(01-08-2013 02:48 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 01:20 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 01:00 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  Notre Dame, despite all the hype and the undefeated season, was not that good this year. They caught the perfect storm of having Michigan and USC on their schedule in a year which was truly horrible for both. The only quality team they played was Stanford [a team they beat only because of a blown call], and Stanford would have finished no better than third in either division of the SEC.

Kelly said it exactly right last night when he was asked at half time what it would take for ND to get back in the game in the second half.... Alabama would have had to stay in the locker room.

I would put Notre Dame somewhere between Mississippi State and South Carolina, but closer to State than Carolina.

I was never really impressed with Notre Dame all season, their three wins all by 3 points against three average to poor teams(Purdue, BYU, Pitt) told me all I needed to
know. Having said that Kelly has won 28 games in three seasons, Weiss won 35 in five seasons(and if you cherry pick his best three seasons, you still only come up with 26
wins) Ty Willingham won 21 in three seasons. There's no denying Notre Dame's history and Kelly is their 30th coach in their history, 8 wins next season would give him the 7th highest win total out of 30, if years 4-6 are as good as 1-3 he'll jump to fifth.

Those numbers are like all other statistics.. while true, they do not necessarily reflect the truth. In Kelly's tenure, he really has been very fortunate to catch the Big 10 in a stretch when its traditional powers have been very weak, and the service academies, which were formidable opponents when Rockne and Leahy coached at ND, are an afterthought in college football. USC has also been in disarray.

While 28 wins in 3 seasons with ND's schedule is something most schools would love to have, Alabama and LSU would have been undefeated or one loss teams all three years if they played it. For that matter so would Oregon, and probably Florida, Georgia and South Carolina.

All valid points, I don't disagree with your premise, but let's not lose sight of the fact that Kelly has won everywhere he's been. In 22 years of coaching he's one win shy of 200 and he's only had one season below .500 and one season right at .500.

Grand Valley State has been playing football for 42 years, he was there for 13 of those 42. He's responsible for their 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 10th highest scoring seasons. They'd had 36 winning seasons and he's responsible for 12 of them. He's their winningest coach by far.

At Central Michigan(where he had his lone losing season), he was there for just three seasons, he took over a team that had gone 3-9 the previous year(and had only one winning season in the previous nine seasons) and won 4 games in year one, 6 in year two and 9 in year 3(the team won their tenth game, the 2006 MCB against Middle Tennessee after he had left). They had two bowl trips in their entire history before he got there and the foundation he laid, including the bowl win in 2006 that he didn't coach, clearly turned that program around.

He was at Cincinnati for three seasons and went 33-6, Cincy had won a co-championship in C-USA in 2002, but their last championship before that was in the Missouri Valley in 1964, he won back to back Big East championships in 2008 and 2009. They have six 10 win seasons in their history and he's responsible for three of them(and his successor Butch Jones is responsible for 2 of the other 3). They've been to 13 bowls and he took them to 3 of those and one of them was the Sugar Bowl.

I think Notre Dame finally has their man to put them back in the discussion on a yearly basis. I expect he'll be there indefinitely, the only way I see him leaving any time soon is if the NFL were to come calling and even then, he might stay put.

What all of Kelly's jobs have in common is that they were at schools that have schedules full of guaranteed wins for well coached teams. Any competent coach can win 6 games in the MAC just by showing up. Winning 9 is tougher, but still not a remarkable achievement if you schedule OOC well. The Big East is a joke for an AQ conference. This year's champion [though they did beat Florida] only beat a really bad FIU team by 7 in a revenge game.

If Notre Dame remains independent, and continues to schedule Army, Navy, Pitt, [and now some ACC bottom feeders] He will continue to win.. Until he plays the really big boys. On this I think we can agree. What neither he nor any other coach can do, though, is return Notre Dame to relevance in College football on a consistent basis.