(12-01-2012 10:59 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:47 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  NM State LOL. Add the worst football program in FBS, located 1,500 miles away, to a Football conference. Then, at first opportunity, they leave and you have to start all over with transitioning another FCS team. Then potentially lose the only two decent FCS teams available. Makes a lot of sense. You must be a CUSA fan.

Georgia Southern is a directional school with 17,000 seats and not very notable basketball located in a small market. Yes they've had good FCS level football but what is their potential in FBS?

I don't see a lot of votes for adding Georgia So. right now for the SBC. Not with Georgia State trying to get on solid ground in football. They need every recruiting advantage they can get. Louisiana doesn't sound pumped about Georgia So. either. The Texas schools I think would prefer NMSU.

Appalachian State is a much stronger add for the SBC if they can land them. App State also has the MAC on the phone which they would view as a destination conference.

Ga Southern is expanding the stadium in a month and adding a 55,000 square foot operations center in the stadium. We also recently voted to increase student fees which will make our budget in the upper tier of the current Sun Belt. We are a growing University with nearly 21,000 students. Out of 250 division 1 schools, none can come close to matching our football success the last 30 years......yes that was in FCS. Our Baseball and Golf programs would be the top few in the SB although that does not matter in all of this.

Ga State does not need a recruiting advantage over Ga Southern as there is more than enough talent to go around in the state. Last year 170 prospects signed FBS scholarships and only 35 were with UGA and GA Tech. 135 have to go out of state. If anything we help Ga State giving them a desperately needed rival and travel partner.

As far as votes, you must have missed the poll on the board which has App State and Ga Southern clearly at the top and a huge gap to the next school.

Quote:And how have "football only" memberships worked out for the MAC previously?

I think it works out well for them for the simple fact that their core group does not get hurt if a school that is football only leaves. The core group still stays together and there isn't that much of a loss if a football only member leaves.

(12-01-2012 11:06 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:59 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:47 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  NM State LOL. Add the worst football program in FBS, located 1,500 miles away, to a Football conference. Then, at first opportunity, they leave and you have to start all over with transitioning another FCS team. Then potentially lose the only two decent FCS teams available. Makes a lot of sense. You must be a CUSA fan.

Georgia Southern is a directional school with 17,000 seats and not very notable basketball located in a small market. Yes they've had good FCS level football but what is their potential in FBS?

I don't see a lot of votes for adding Georgia So. right now for the SBC. Not with Georgia State trying to get on solid ground in football. They need every recruiting advantage they can get. Louisiana doesn't sound pumped about Georgia So. either. The Texas schools I think would prefer NMSU.

Appalachian State is a much stronger add for the SBC if they can land them. App State also has the MAC on the phone which they would view as a destination conference.

Ga Southern is expanding the stadium in a month and voted to increase student fees which will make our budget in the upper tier of the current Sun Belt. We are a growing University with nearly 21,000 students.

Ga State does not need a recruiting advantage over Ga Southern as there is more than enough talent to go around in the state. Last year 170 prospects signed FBS scholarships and only 35 were with UGA and GA Tech. 135 have to go out of state.

As far as votes, you must have missed the poll on the board which has App State and Ga Southern clearly at the top and a huge gap to the next school.

Georgia Southern is in the Savannah market which is medium sized. With an airport and freeways and all that.

They have lots of fans. As far as the stadium is concerned, please note that doesn't include the grass overflow area, which has been used many times. The stadium is being upgraded in any event and there's a two year reclassification period for them to do so.

Georgia Southern is ready. The truth is, with Florida now blocked off, we are going to need Georgia. there are a lot of SBC teams that recruit Georgia fairly regularly, and being able to promise a game per year in state will really open some eyes.

I think the same rule applies to Texas, and it explains why we are spending so much time on Lamar, just to give another Texas presence to satisfy the needs of our Western Members who recruit that state.

(12-01-2012 11:08 AM)jmufan Wrote:  

Quote:And how have "football only" memberships worked out for the MAC previously?

I think it works out well for them for the simple fact that their core group does not get hurt if a school that is football only leaves. The core group still stays together and there isn't that much of a loss if a football only member leaves.

It doesn't work out well if they all leave within five years. You take a competitive hit by bringing up a FCS program. No, its not a disaster if they leave. But you've just taken a competitive hit so someone can get up to speed an earn money for another conference. Its a losing proposition and has been so when the MAC has done so previously. Every time.

(12-01-2012 11:06 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:59 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:47 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  NM State LOL. Add the worst football program in FBS, located 1,500 miles away, to a Football conference. Then, at first opportunity, they leave and you have to start all over with transitioning another FCS team. Then potentially lose the only two decent FCS teams available. Makes a lot of sense. You must be a CUSA fan.

Georgia Southern is a directional school with 17,000 seats and not very notable basketball located in a small market. Yes they've had good FCS level football but what is their potential in FBS?

I don't see a lot of votes for adding Georgia So. right now for the SBC. Not with Georgia State trying to get on solid ground in football. They need every recruiting advantage they can get. Louisiana doesn't sound pumped about Georgia So. either. The Texas schools I think would prefer NMSU.

Appalachian State is a much stronger add for the SBC if they can land them. App State also has the MAC on the phone which they would view as a destination conference.

Ga Southern is expanding the stadium in a month and adding a 55,000 square foot operations center in the stadium. We also recently voted to increase student fees which will make our budget in the upper tier of the current Sun Belt. We are a growing University with nearly 21,000 students. Out of 250 division 1 schools, none can come close to matching our football success the last 30 years......yes that was in FCS. Out Baseball and Golf programs would be the top few in the SB although that does not matter in all of this.

Ga State does not need a recruiting advantage over Ga Southern as there is more than enough talent to go around in the state. Last year 170 prospects signed FBS scholarships and only 35 were with UGA and GA Tech. 135 have to go out of state. If anything we help Ga State giving them a desperately needed rival and travel partner.

As far as votes, you must have missed the poll on the board which has App State and Ga Southern clearly at the top and a huge gap to the next school.

Therein lies the greatest advantage in my eyes to AppSt and GaSouthern. Both have tremendous success at the level they play which will translate into success at FBS. Much like WKU, a school that had tremendous sustained success in football, regardless of the level we played, there was never any doubt we'd eventually be good at FBS. It's expected by the administration, the fans, and the athletes.

Certain schools have been mediocre at best (bottom feeders) at their sports over an extended period of time yet some think because they're in a big market, once they move up to FBS, they will be successful because they have "potential". I have my doubts.

(12-01-2012 11:14 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Georgia Southern is ready. The truth is, with Florida now blocked off, we are going to need Georgia. there are a lot of SBC teams that recruit Georgia fairly regularly, and being able to promise a game per year in state will really open some eyes.

I think the same rule applies to Texas, and it explains why we are spending so much time on Lamar, just to give another Texas presence to satisfy the needs of our Western Members who recruit that state.

Yes, the Sun Belt needs to be mentioned throughout the state of GA and the Atlanta media. Georgia is the best state in the country in terms of the ratio of FBS prospects to FBS teams in state. With CUSA not having a presence in GA it will be a recruiting advantage to hear Sun Belt coverage in Georgia.

The Appalachian administration has always said that they want to have all sports in one conference, this has been discussed many times. I don't know that I believe there is any validity to this thread. First of all Louis Kitton is a MAC fan and the AppInCAA Land fan is always promoting the MAC. So kind of odd that two supporters of App State being in the MAC come on here at one time saying that App is considering MAC football. Doesn't compute.

Let App have a Sun Belt offer, accept it and start playing. Time's a wasting.

(12-01-2012 11:38 AM)KingKong Wrote:  The Appalachian administration has always said that they want to have all sports in one conference, this has been discussed many times. I don't know that I believe there is any validity to this thread. First of all Louis Kitton is a MAC fan and the AppInCAA Land fan is always promoting the MAC. So kind of odd that two supporters of App State being in the MAC come on here at one time saying that App is considering MAC football. Doesn't compute.

Let App have a Sun Belt offer, accept it and start playing. Time's a wasting.

Yeah, I think the App, JMU, Delaware to MAC is a bunch of internet bs.

The MAC is not desperate to make a move quickly. If they want to add they will take the best teams available in order. No offense to App State, but WKU would get an invite before App and given the instability and defections in the SB, I would think WKU would accept. WKU fans can answer that a lot better than me though.

(12-01-2012 11:08 AM)jmufan Wrote:  

Quote:And how have "football only" memberships worked out for the MAC previously?

I think it works out well for them for the simple fact that their core group does not get hurt if a school that is football only leaves. The core group still stays together and there isn't that much of a loss if a football only member leaves.

Its more that the MAC doesn't need to absorb the extra travel costs in Oly sports. That is what its about.

JMU doesn't need the extra travel costs in Oly sports either that is why joining the MAC is a good deal.

(12-01-2012 11:43 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 11:38 AM)KingKong Wrote:  The Appalachian administration has always said that they want to have all sports in one conference, this has been discussed many times. I don't know that I believe there is any validity to this thread. First of all Louis Kitton is a MAC fan and the AppInCAA Land fan is always promoting the MAC. So kind of odd that two supporters of App State being in the MAC come on here at one time saying that App is considering MAC football. Doesn't compute.

Let App have a Sun Belt offer, accept it and start playing. Time's a wasting.

Yeah, I think the App, JMU, Delaware to MAC is a bunch of internet bs.

The MAC is not desperate to make a move quickly. If they want to add they will take the best teams available in order. No offense to App State, but WKU would get an invite before App and given the instability and defections in the SB, I would think WKU would accept. WKU fans can answer that a lot better than me though.

Western Kentucky was rejected before because they didn't meet the academic profile of a MAC university.

Plus, with WKU the next school into CUSA I doubt they are even interested looking the direction of the MAC. Wishful thinking on your part.

The MAC almost signed ODU, JMU and Delaware last year before the CUSA invite for ODU materialized. App State was also interested in the MAC. I think with ODU off the table its ASU, JMU, Del and FB only because that is what MAC leadership prefers.

(12-01-2012 11:38 AM)KingKong Wrote:  The Appalachian administration has always said that they want to have all sports in one conference, this has been discussed many times. I don't know that I believe there is any validity to this thread. First of all Louis Kitton is a MAC fan and the AppInCAA Land fan is always promoting the MAC. So kind of odd that two supporters of App State being in the MAC come on here at one time saying that App is considering MAC football. Doesn't compute.

Let App have a Sun Belt offer, accept it and start playing. Time's a wasting.

I think the math has changed though for App State now that the CAA has addded CofC and MTSU is heading to CUSA.

(12-01-2012 11:14 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Georgia Southern is ready. The truth is, with Florida now blocked off, we are going to need Georgia. there are a lot of SBC teams that recruit Georgia fairly regularly, and being able to promise a game per year in state will really open some eyes.

I think the same rule applies to Texas, and it explains why we are spending so much time on Lamar, just to give another Texas presence to satisfy the needs of our Western Members who recruit that state.

Why not stay at 10 Oly members with UT-Arlington upgrading football to FBS? Then you don't even have to add New Mexico State.

(12-01-2012 12:44 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 11:43 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 11:38 AM)KingKong Wrote:  The Appalachian administration has always said that they want to have all sports in one conference, this has been discussed many times. I don't know that I believe there is any validity to this thread. First of all Louis Kitton is a MAC fan and the AppInCAA Land fan is always promoting the MAC. So kind of odd that two supporters of App State being in the MAC come on here at one time saying that App is considering MAC football. Doesn't compute.

Let App have a Sun Belt offer, accept it and start playing. Time's a wasting.

Yeah, I think the App, JMU, Delaware to MAC is a bunch of internet bs.

The MAC is not desperate to make a move quickly. If they want to add they will take the best teams available in order. No offense to App State, but WKU would get an invite before App and given the instability and defections in the SB, I would think WKU would accept. WKU fans can answer that a lot better than me though.

Western Kentucky was rejected before because they didn't meet the academic profile of a MAC university.

Plus, with WKU the next school into CUSA I doubt they are even interested looking the direction of the MAC. Wishful thinking on your part.

The MAC almost signed ODU, JMU and Delaware last year before the CUSA invite for ODU materialized. App State was also interested in the MAC. I think with ODU off the table its ASU, JMU, Del and FB only because that is what MAC leadership prefers.

The conference moves have been all about markets and TV contracts. That being the case, why would the relatively stable MAC add JMU and App State that are outisde the footprint? Delaware maybe, but to go to 16 to add two small markets? That would certainly be a new strategy much different from how conference realingnment has proceeded so far.

(12-01-2012 01:02 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 12:44 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 11:43 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 11:38 AM)KingKong Wrote:  The Appalachian administration has always said that they want to have all sports in one conference, this has been discussed many times. I don't know that I believe there is any validity to this thread. First of all Louis Kitton is a MAC fan and the AppInCAA Land fan is always promoting the MAC. So kind of odd that two supporters of App State being in the MAC come on here at one time saying that App is considering MAC football. Doesn't compute.

Let App have a Sun Belt offer, accept it and start playing. Time's a wasting.

Yeah, I think the App, JMU, Delaware to MAC is a bunch of internet bs.

The MAC is not desperate to make a move quickly. If they want to add they will take the best teams available in order. No offense to App State, but WKU would get an invite before App and given the instability and defections in the SB, I would think WKU would accept. WKU fans can answer that a lot better than me though.

Western Kentucky was rejected before because they didn't meet the academic profile of a MAC university.

Plus, with WKU the next school into CUSA I doubt they are even interested looking the direction of the MAC. Wishful thinking on your part.

The MAC almost signed ODU, JMU and Delaware last year before the CUSA invite for ODU materialized. App State was also interested in the MAC. I think with ODU off the table its ASU, JMU, Del and FB only because that is what MAC leadership prefers.

The conference moves have been all about markets and TV contracts. That being the case, why would the relatively stable MAC add JMU and App State that are outisde the footprint? Delaware maybe, but to go to 16 to add two small markets? That would certainly be a new strategy much different from how conference realingnment has proceeded so far.

MAC is filled with schools that are not in big markets. The MAC from what I can gather doesn't care about markets like others do. Maybe I am wrong, but I think they value building good rivalries than getting major markets.

(12-01-2012 01:07 PM)jmufan Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 01:02 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 12:44 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 11:43 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 11:38 AM)KingKong Wrote:  The Appalachian administration has always said that they want to have all sports in one conference, this has been discussed many times. I don't know that I believe there is any validity to this thread. First of all Louis Kitton is a MAC fan and the AppInCAA Land fan is always promoting the MAC. So kind of odd that two supporters of App State being in the MAC come on here at one time saying that App is considering MAC football. Doesn't compute.

Let App have a Sun Belt offer, accept it and start playing. Time's a wasting.

Yeah, I think the App, JMU, Delaware to MAC is a bunch of internet bs.

The MAC is not desperate to make a move quickly. If they want to add they will take the best teams available in order. No offense to App State, but WKU would get an invite before App and given the instability and defections in the SB, I would think WKU would accept. WKU fans can answer that a lot better than me though.

Western Kentucky was rejected before because they didn't meet the academic profile of a MAC university.

Plus, with WKU the next school into CUSA I doubt they are even interested looking the direction of the MAC. Wishful thinking on your part.

The MAC almost signed ODU, JMU and Delaware last year before the CUSA invite for ODU materialized. App State was also interested in the MAC. I think with ODU off the table its ASU, JMU, Del and FB only because that is what MAC leadership prefers.

The conference moves have been all about markets and TV contracts. That being the case, why would the relatively stable MAC add JMU and App State that are outisde the footprint? Delaware maybe, but to go to 16 to add two small markets? That would certainly be a new strategy much different from how conference realingnment has proceeded so far.

MAC is filled with schools that are not in big markets. The MAC from what I can gather doesn't care about markets like others do. Maybe I am wrong, but I think they value building good rivalries than getting major markets.

+1 or any of that coast-to-coast crap.