I would not be surprised to see an App St invite as soon as next week. I don't know about anyone else.

(11-30-2012 12:04 PM)jdcurran235 Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 11:57 AM)tarmack Wrote:  Benson says discussions start Monday.

http://www.journalnow.com/sports/asu/foo...0f31a.html

http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-spo...ll-must-be

Sounds like he was touching base with the schools this week. With the AD interviews, the rumor on the Lamar board about a 1 oclock meeting, and everything else we heard. Next week could be interesting. I could see a couple of invites coming right away and then a few more in the next couple of weeks

"we haven't started evaluating potential members"

Seems like they would have done this last May and ranked their candidates for offers in order. It seems like the are very reactionary whearas CUSA was ready to move as soon as the Maryland/Rutgers move happened.

I bet they are ready but would like to go through everything and make sure all the presidents are on the same page. That is why I think we could see at least 1 or 2 invites next week. Or the week after at the latest.

I dont doubt there's some sort of a pecking order. When talking FCS upgrades, who, if asked, is going to say no? Probably no one.

(11-30-2012 11:46 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Probably what is happening is that App has to see if the MAC is a possibility. They are throwing it out there as it is preferable for them if JMU is included. If that doesn't work, which it probably won't, they will then come to the SB with Ga Southern. I doubt JMU will bite given their geography and President that does not seem to be gung ho FBS. If it is not the ideal fit, their President won't bite.

App has to exhaust their best options in order. 1)CUSA which is a definite no 2) MAC with JMU 3) SB

The rumor is, MAC in football only (along with Delaware and Madison), and CAA in Oly sports. With CofC and ECU as possible CAA rivals in the new CAA... I have to say I like the option... and speaking only for ASU's needs... that option, if there, absolutley has to be considered. That makes a ton of sense and upgrades all of our sports teams.

(11-30-2012 12:19 PM)jdcurran235 Wrote:  I bet they are ready but would like to go through everything and make sure all the presidents are on the same page. That is why I think we could see at least 1 or 2 invites next week. Or the week after at the latest.

The waiting around is killing the Sun Belt. The pendulum has shifted to where is probably makes more sense for Ga Southern and App State to wait and see how the realignment shakes out. If CUSA has to raid SB again and takes Ark St., Louisiana, WKU, Ga Southern and App State may choose to remain FCS if it appears the conference is at risk of folding.

I like the football only MAC option with all other sports in the CAA. Upgrade basketball, reduced travel for Olympic sports, and the MAC is actually the most stable non-AQ conference.

From a culture perspective I do agree App has more in common with Sun Belt members though.

(11-30-2012 03:08 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I like the football only MAC option with all other sports in the CAA. Upgrade basketball, reduced travel for Olympic sports, and the MAC is actually the most stable non-AQ conference.

From a culture perspective I do agree App has more in common with Sun Belt members though.

looks like college of charleston just got invited to the CAA. The App St to MAC rumor could be true.
http://www.caasports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...EM_ID=8500

(11-30-2012 03:57 PM)jdcurran235 Wrote:  looks like college of charleston just got invited to the CAA. The App St to MAC rumor could be true.
http://www.caasports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...EM_ID=8500

Thats just the rats abandoning the ship cause they know the Socon is imploding.

The Socon private schools are responsible. They tried to use App and GSU in football, and Davidson and C of C in basketball to force any media outlet interested in broadcasting those four schools, to air games that nobody wants to see, like Samford and Elon, or Wofford and Western Carolina. They limited App and GSU televised games out of "fairness." Basically, if all the teams cant have the same coverage, no team gets coverage.

(11-30-2012 12:35 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 12:19 PM)jdcurran235 Wrote:  I bet they are ready but would like to go through everything and make sure all the presidents are on the same page. That is why I think we could see at least 1 or 2 invites next week. Or the week after at the latest.

The waiting around is killing the Sun Belt. The pendulum has shifted to where is probably makes more sense for Ga Southern and App State to wait and see how the realignment shakes out. If CUSA has to raid SB again and takes Ark St., Louisiana, WKU, Ga Southern and App State may choose to remain FCS if it appears the conference is at risk of folding.

Why would waiting kill the Sun Belt? Even if they invited Ga Sou and App St and they accepted, either/or could blow off the SBC if they got a better offer later, just like TCU did with the Big East. It's not like an invite and its acceptance lock a program to a conference.
A premature SBC move might put a chain of events in motion that are not in the SBC's favor. For instance, I believe that if they hadn't jumped on Ga St so quickly, CUSA would not have offered Charlotte, UTSA or maybe even ODU and there would be more FCS programs to discuss bringing up right now.
I think you guys just want the uncertainty of if you're going FBS or not settled. I don't blame you, but that's no reason for the SBC to jump.

(11-30-2012 04:14 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  Why would waiting kill the Sun Belt? Even if they invited Ga Sou and App St and they accepted, either/or could blow off the SBC if they got a better offer later, just like TCU did with the Big East. It's not like an invite and its acceptance lock a program to a conference.
A premature SBC move might put a chain of events in motion that are not in the SBC's favor. For instance, I believe that if they hadn't jumped on Ga St so quickly, CUSA would not have offered Charlotte, UTSA or maybe even ODU and there would be more FCS programs to discuss bringing up right now.
I think you guys just want the uncertainty of if you're going FBS or not settled. I don't blame you, but that's no reason for the SBC to jump.

While it wont kill the SB, it does have a negative impact. The faster App and GSU are assimilated, the better off the conference. By losing out on another recruiting period, we'd effectively be handicapped our first year in the SB.

(11-30-2012 04:14 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 12:35 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 12:19 PM)jdcurran235 Wrote:  I bet they are ready but would like to go through everything and make sure all the presidents are on the same page. That is why I think we could see at least 1 or 2 invites next week. Or the week after at the latest.

The waiting around is killing the Sun Belt. The pendulum has shifted to where is probably makes more sense for Ga Southern and App State to wait and see how the realignment shakes out. If CUSA has to raid SB again and takes Ark St., Louisiana, WKU, Ga Southern and App State may choose to remain FCS if it appears the conference is at risk of folding.

Why would waiting kill the Sun Belt? Even if they invited Ga Sou and App St and they accepted, either/or could blow off the SBC if they got a better offer later, just like TCU did with the Big East. It's not like an invite and its acceptance lock a program to a conference.
A premature SBC move might put a chain of events in motion that are not in the SBC's favor. For instance, I believe that if they hadn't jumped on Ga St so quickly, CUSA would not have offered Charlotte, UTSA or maybe even ODU and there would be more FCS programs to discuss bringing up right now.
I think you guys just want the uncertainty of if you're going FBS or not settled. I don't blame you, but that's no reason for the SBC to jump.

If SB loses a few more, App won't accept and Ga Southern may balk at that point. Liberty, Jax St would accept.

If you invite now with a stronger conference, App and Ga Southern will accept and be stuck with whatever occurs later. The pendulum has swung where App State and Ga Southern hold the cards as the Sun Belt's remaining choices after that are much worse.

(11-30-2012 04:20 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 04:14 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 12:35 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 12:19 PM)jdcurran235 Wrote:  I bet they are ready but would like to go through everything and make sure all the presidents are on the same page. That is why I think we could see at least 1 or 2 invites next week. Or the week after at the latest.

The waiting around is killing the Sun Belt. The pendulum has shifted to where is probably makes more sense for Ga Southern and App State to wait and see how the realignment shakes out. If CUSA has to raid SB again and takes Ark St., Louisiana, WKU, Ga Southern and App State may choose to remain FCS if it appears the conference is at risk of folding.

Why would waiting kill the Sun Belt? Even if they invited Ga Sou and App St and they accepted, either/or could blow off the SBC if they got a better offer later, just like TCU did with the Big East. It's not like an invite and its acceptance lock a program to a conference.
A premature SBC move might put a chain of events in motion that are not in the SBC's favor. For instance, I believe that if they hadn't jumped on Ga St so quickly, CUSA would not have offered Charlotte, UTSA or maybe even ODU and there would be more FCS programs to discuss bringing up right now.
I think you guys just want the uncertainty of if you're going FBS or not settled. I don't blame you, but that's no reason for the SBC to jump.

If SB loses a few more, App won't accept and Ga Southern may balk at that point. Liberty, Jax St would accept.

If you invite now with a stronger conference, App and Ga Southern will accept and be stuck with whatever occurs later. The pendulum has swung where App State and Ga Southern hold the cards as the Sun Belt's remaining choices after that are much worse.

The WAC did that under Benson, so yeah invite now.

The SBC needs to do SOMETHING. 8 won't get you anywhere, all that time we were talking about 12 is done, SBC needs to invite GSU and App State soon before someone else may grab 'em up.

(11-30-2012 04:54 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  The SBC needs to do SOMETHING. 8 won't get you anywhere, all that time we were talking about 12 is done, SBC needs to invite GSU and App State soon before someone else may grab 'em up.

i think the reason why they're stalling is a combination of the fcs playoffs interfering with both teams hosting games, and mainly the fact that app is probably talking to another league (MAC).

(11-30-2012 04:54 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  The SBC needs to do SOMETHING. 8 won't get you anywhere, all that time we were talking about 12 is done, SBC needs to invite GSU and App State soon before someone else may grab 'em up.

Hard to see App refusing ANY FBS offer, even the MAC with the conference starting to shed members.

C of C just took a very good baseball and basketball program out of the equation.

None of us will ever know the full story behind conference invites. For all we know the SunBelts decisions could have already been make and has not been leaked or released to the public just yet.

Yes I would like to know the final outcome today right this minute, but I will have to wait just like every other poster here for the public release.

(11-30-2012 05:04 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  None of us will ever know the full story behind conference invites. For all we know the SunBelts decisions could have already been make and has not been leaked or released to the public just yet.

Yes I would like to know the final outcome today right this minute, but I will have to wait just like every other poster here for the public release.

Yeah, for all we know these were back room deals made months ago. There is just increased pressure for a release because other dominos are falling. I can promise that FAU and MTSU didn't make up their mind to switch conferences in a matter of DAYS.

I expect we will see something next week, or when each team is finished for the year to avoid any distractions.

(11-30-2012 04:20 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 04:14 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 12:35 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 12:19 PM)jdcurran235 Wrote:  I bet they are ready but would like to go through everything and make sure all the presidents are on the same page. That is why I think we could see at least 1 or 2 invites next week. Or the week after at the latest.

The waiting around is killing the Sun Belt. The pendulum has shifted to where is probably makes more sense for Ga Southern and App State to wait and see how the realignment shakes out. If CUSA has to raid SB again and takes Ark St., Louisiana, WKU, Ga Southern and App State may choose to remain FCS if it appears the conference is at risk of folding.

Why would waiting kill the Sun Belt? Even if they invited Ga Sou and App St and they accepted, either/or could blow off the SBC if they got a better offer later, just like TCU did with the Big East. It's not like an invite and its acceptance lock a program to a conference.
A premature SBC move might put a chain of events in motion that are not in the SBC's favor. For instance, I believe that if they hadn't jumped on Ga St so quickly, CUSA would not have offered Charlotte, UTSA or maybe even ODU and there would be more FCS programs to discuss bringing up right now.
I think you guys just want the uncertainty of if you're going FBS or not settled. I don't blame you, but that's no reason for the SBC to jump.

If SB loses a few more, App won't accept and Ga Southern may balk at that point. Liberty, Jax St would accept.

If you invite now with a stronger conference, App and Ga Southern will accept and be stuck with whatever occurs later. The pendulum has swung where App State and Ga Southern hold the cards as the Sun Belt's remaining choices after that are much worse.

If App St and GA Sou are serious about going FBS, they'll accept an SBC offer at any time unless they have another offer already. Much like SBC teams won't pass up a CUSA offer because the next team asked will say yes, your schools run the risk of a Jax State going FBS and your school having no other options but to stay in FCS.

It appears that our conference leadership did nothing but watch MTSU and FIU hold press conferences and then say they were considering opportunities (for what, more I-AA teams!?). Reactive, not proactive is what got the WAC killed. And who was the WAC director again?