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RE: Newest Conference Rumor
Except for the stiff arm!!
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(10-26-2020 12:18 PM)Dukester Wrote: Perhaps Jimmy Moreland can be our Josh Norman.
https://www.wbtw.com/college-sports/form...-donation/
Perhaps, if Jimmy plays in the league long enough. A certain former JMU player who made a nice career at LB for the Bills and Steelers has already made gifts to JMU totaling more than $250k.
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I have read on here through the years things like when JMU does X, my donations will go up or I will start giving when JMU does X. I don’t know what other fanbases say on their websites because I only read ours. Is gifting always tied to the school doing things the way each individual donor wants things to be done?
What I know is gifting back to JMU has always been an issue. JMU alums just don’t do it as much as alums at many other schools do.
FCS football has been a really good product until last year. The playoffs were always filled with challenging games. There were several close regular season games too. Last year was the first year where I felt the quality of play really dropped overall. JMU and NDSU pretty much walked through the playoffs to Frisco. If this is a downward trend, then yes the quality of FCS is losing its entertainment value.
I feel like a broken record but JMU, App, Marshall, ODU and ECU ought to be spending a lot of energy figuring out how they can come together under one conference.
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(10-26-2020 06:32 PM)JMUNation Wrote: I have read on here through the years things like when JMU does X, my donations will go up or I will start giving when JMU does X. I don’t know what other fanbases say on their websites because I only read ours. Is gifting always tied to the school doing things the way each individual donor wants things to be done?
What I know is gifting back to JMU has always been an issue. JMU alums just don’t do it as much as alums at many other schools do.
FCS football has been a really good product until last year. The playoffs were always filled with challenging games. There were several close regular season games too. Last year was the first year where I felt the quality of play really dropped overall. JMU and NDSU pretty much walked through the playoffs to Frisco. If this is a downward trend, then yes the quality of FCS is losing its entertainment value.
I feel like a broken record but JMU, App, Marshall, ODU and ECU ought to be spending a lot of energy figuring out how they can come together under one conference.
That would be great.
I could see that as successful in football as CAA basketball was 10-15 years ago.
Do you think that is one step process?
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(10-26-2020 06:32 PM)JMUNation Wrote: I have read on here through the years things like when JMU does X, my donations will go up or I will start giving when JMU does X. I don’t know what other fanbases say on their websites because I only read ours. Is gifting always tied to the school doing things the way each individual donor wants things to be done?
I could be way off here but I’d imagine the average alumni is pretty oblivious to what is talked about on here. This has been said a million times so I’m not adding much here but there’s always been the “issue” of a large portion of the alumni base is teachers and nurses because those programs are so good. Not saying they don’t donate but probably not as much towards athletics. I don’t want to beat the drum here but I do agree that FBS would energize the young, male, alumni base to donate more towards athletics. The admin definitely realizes that but there are other factors people have talked about that play a role.
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I don’t think the donors are the roadblock. Donors could make it easier. Being invited into a conference with ECU, ODU, Marshall, and ASU would certainly make it easier.
But what if we don’t get everything easy?
Does anyone think we don’t already spend more than many FBS programs?
It might not be easy, or be the perfect fit, but I think financially it could be done if the administration felt it was beneficial to move to FBS.
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Every alumni loves JMU, but also knows that we are not bigtime football w the bigboys (yet)
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I honestly don’t ever see JMU being with the big boys. The P5 is pretty much set as big boy football. What I would like to see is more entertaining football. Watching 80-7 wins is pretty boring.
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Be careful what you wish for---we can also make games more competitive against FCS by getting worse, not everyone else getting better.
What we have seen more of this year is that G5 football, even in its current form, can definitely be competitive and can create some games with meaning. This is the year--particularly with playing in the spring (at best), and losing so many of the top-tier to transfers--where FCS really started to distance itself (in a negative way) from G5. Not sure how or when that gets back to a more normal place.
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By more entertaining football, I mean playing G5 football against our peers. There are mostly privates and small Publics in FCS. I don’t feel this is where we fit best but we need to be in an FBS conference that allows us to play schools in which a rivalry will exist. Playing against a directional Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky or Tennessee school to be FBS isn’t the answer.
Our next league needs to be FBS and regional or we stay where we are. Most of us posters want FBS but doing it at all cost still isn’t the right move for JMU either.
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If we're waiting for the perfect fit rivalry & financial wise I think at best we'll have a long wait.
I think that is where we are right now.......
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(10-26-2020 10:33 PM)JMUNation Wrote: I honestly don’t ever see JMU being with the big boys. The P5 is pretty much set as big boy football. What I would like to see is more entertaining football. Watching 80-7 wins is pretty boring.
By "big boys" i mean FBS - G5 and have fun fighting our way into top 25
it's pitiful to be behind liberty, coastal, and app - who will pass us next?
this doesn't mean "at all costs" but we have lost more money waiting then we would have spent by jumping
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Boise & UCF might never be P5 either, but they’re big boys.
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(10-27-2020 11:39 AM)HyperDuke Wrote: Boise & UCF might never be P5 either, but they’re big boys.
JMU will never be a "big boy" in any of our life times. If anyone expects that, their expectations will not be met.
But there is a big difference between G5 and FCS. It's the next step up.
We need to be with the middle boys, not the 14 year old with 6th grade little boys.
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(10-27-2020 02:24 PM)Dukester Wrote: (10-27-2020 11:39 AM)HyperDuke Wrote: Boise & UCF might never be P5 either, but they’re big boys.
JMU will never be a "big boy" in any of our life times. If anyone expects that, their expectations will not be met.
But there is a big difference between G5 and FCS. It's the next step up.
We need to be with the middle boys, not the 14 year old with 6th grade little boys.
The Mountain West and AAC are the cream of the G5 crop. We should definitely aspire to reach their level. JMU has proven it can win in against the AAC so why don’t they invite us to fill UConn’s spot? We would accept the invite.
Big boy football isn’t about success on the field. It is all about politics and a fraternity of schools that decide who is in and who is not. Boise is G5 because the P5 hasn’t invited them to join their fraternity. They certainly have shown over many years that they belong on the field.
JMU and Boise fans both deserve something more than they are receiving right now but the fraternity leaders decide who gets an invite to the party.
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(10-27-2020 09:25 PM)JMUNation Wrote: (10-27-2020 02:24 PM)Dukester Wrote: (10-27-2020 11:39 AM)HyperDuke Wrote: Boise & UCF might never be P5 either, but they’re big boys.
JMU will never be a "big boy" in any of our life times. If anyone expects that, their expectations will not be met.
But there is a big difference between G5 and FCS. It's the next step up.
We need to be with the middle boys, not the 14 year old with 6th grade little boys.
The Mountain West and AAC are the cream of the G5 crop. We should definitely aspire to reach their level. JMU has proven it can win in against the AAC so why don’t they invite us to fill UConn’s spot? We would accept the invite.
Big boy football isn’t about success on the field. It is all about politics and a fraternity of schools that decide who is in and who is not. Boise is G5 because the P5 hasn’t invited them to join their fraternity. They certainly have shown over many years that they belong on the field.
JMU and Boise fans both deserve something more than they are receiving right now but the fraternity leaders decide who gets an invite to the party.
We beat UVa and Tech also, and no ACC invite
Conference invites are as much or more about branding, money and prestige. If ESPN/ABC suggested they would payout more, an invite would come. Or if we were FBS and became top 25 or made NY6 bowl it would help.
Conferences are looking for schools that will lift all boats so to speak, not just another team that might beat them on the field. Its hard to build that resume as an FCS team, and AAC will be hesitant to take FCS teams purely from an optics viewpoint. They are attempting to position themselves as a cut above the other G5 by marketing the "P6" label.
The one thing we could do to get a look would be to become a basketball power. Break thru to sweet 16 or final 4 like VCU and GMU did, then we could at least get some serious discussion.
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(10-27-2020 10:20 PM)JMURocks Wrote: (10-27-2020 09:25 PM)JMUNation Wrote: (10-27-2020 02:24 PM)Dukester Wrote: (10-27-2020 11:39 AM)HyperDuke Wrote: Boise & UCF might never be P5 either, but they’re big boys.
JMU will never be a "big boy" in any of our life times. If anyone expects that, their expectations will not be met.
But there is a big difference between G5 and FCS. It's the next step up.
We need to be with the middle boys, not the 14 year old with 6th grade little boys.
The Mountain West and AAC are the cream of the G5 crop. We should definitely aspire to reach their level. JMU has proven it can win in against the AAC so why don’t they invite us to fill UConn’s spot? We would accept the invite.
Big boy football isn’t about success on the field. It is all about politics and a fraternity of schools that decide who is in and who is not. Boise is G5 because the P5 hasn’t invited them to join their fraternity. They certainly have shown over many years that they belong on the field.
JMU and Boise fans both deserve something more than they are receiving right now but the fraternity leaders decide who gets an invite to the party.
We beat UVa and Tech also, and no ACC invite
Conference invites are as much or more about branding, money and prestige. If ESPN/ABC suggested they would payout more, an invite would come. Or if we were FBS and became top 25 or made NY6 bowl it would help.
Conferences are looking for schools that will lift all boats so to speak, not just another team that might beat them on the field. Its hard to build that resume as an FCS team, and AAC will be hesitant to take FCS teams purely from an optics viewpoint. They are attempting to position themselves as a cut above the other G5 by marketing the "P6" label.
The one thing we could do to get a look would be to become a basketball power. Break thru to sweet 16 or final 4 like VCU and GMU did, then we could at least get some serious discussion.
My comment about beating AAC schools was intended to be sarcasm. I assume yours about beating two ACC schools was too?
You and I are saying the same thing. Winning on the field isn’t enough. There are major politics involved.
Folks are posting about how we don’t belong in FCS and I agree. What I don’t agree with is going independent like Liberty has. They have a lot more money and are paying large guarantees to have schools come to play in Lynchburg.
I would be in favor of a move to the Sunbelt though.
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Liberty's opponent's record:
Western Kentucky 2-4 (s/b 1-5, Chatty was absolutely robbed by refs last weekend)
Fla International 0-3
North Alabama (FCS) 0-2
UL Monroe 0-6
Syracuse 1-5
Southern Miss 1-4 (whose interim coach just quit to take over Austin Peay)
Combined 4-24
Not exactly the SEC West. But good for them....6-0!
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