The FCS crowd keeps arguing that G5 won’t be as good as P5. False dichotomy. Compare G5 options to FCS. I know there are some valid arguments to stay, but all I hear from most is how G5 isn’t as good as their favorite P5 (which I suspect they support differently than JMU).

(10-28-2020 07:23 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  The FCS crowd keeps arguing that G5 won’t be as good as P5. False dichotomy. Compare G5 options to FCS. I know there are some valid arguments to stay, but all I hear from most is how G5 isn’t as good as their favorite P5 (which I suspect they support differently than JMU).

"False dichotomy." Spot on! While it is sad to leave old friends behind, we can't stay in middle school forever. To quote an old friend, former standout Dukes defensive lineman, BOV member, and mayor of Harrisonburg, "If you're not growing, you're dying!"

We have been FBS-ready for 15 years. The frustrating part is the lack of transparency from our admin. A clear vision and mission statement would be nice, even if it is, "Fuhget about, JMU fans and supporters. We will NEVER leave FCS. Get used to it!" Monitoring the situation for decades just doesn't cut it. It is evasive, disingenuous, and breeds distrust. We are, indeed, the six-foot-tall second-grader.

I still prefer indy, even if the Belt or CUSA offered us a spot today. I find the flexibility in scheduling exciting, and the potential upward mobility very appealing.

Has there ever been a poll of Duke Club members asking whether they want to stay in FCS, move to G5, etc.?

(10-29-2020 06:51 AM)Capt Ed Wrote:  Has there ever been a poll of Duke Club members asking whether they want to stay in FCS, move to G5, etc.?

So what you're saying is we need another consultant? Another FBS study!

Perhaps Alger can fire up a "Why JMU FBS" tour?

I just want to know who got a kickback to build the football stadium. No one builds that and says FCS4LYFE (or FCS until a magical FBS regional conference with all of our best buddies forms from the rainbows sprouting out of a unicorn’s butt).

https://twitter.com/RTDjohnoconnor/statu...5550153729

(10-29-2020 09:26 AM)JMU83 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/RTDjohnoconnor/statu...5550153729

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“The reality at the mid-major level is that the opportunity for exposure is greatest in men’s basketball,” said W&M interim AD Jeremy Martin. Winning one NCAA tournament game would bring substantially more attention than FCS national title, he said.



Hmmmmm

Know we've hashed this one out in 100 different threads through the years.

I'll say the FCS NC might be a hair better for the school fans, but externally a win in the dance would probably provide more external attention.

Now if ask me which provided me more satisfaction - any of the 4 FBS NC appearances or the recent JMU basketball 16 seed run, it's not even close for me. The 4 appearances in the FCS Championships.

That 16 seed appearance just was not gratifying to me. It felt like a Norfolk State 16 seed appearance where it was so cute they/we got in. "At worst" I want at least a 14 seed.

That might be true at W&M since the news cycle would be commending them for getting to the tournament for the first time. A win would be a bonus for them. But I would say it's a flash in the pan either way. A lasting image would be a Sweet Sixteen or advanced position.

From a financial perspective, NCAA MBB wins surely are more important. And more people watch March Madness.

I have a hard time calling the 16-seed play-in games a part of the NCAA Tournament, even though they financially count as a win. As a fan, FCS championship > 16/16 play-in basketball matchup on a Tuesday night. If we were to ever win a game on Thursday/Friday, that would be much more compelling.

Hosting college gameday probably brought more exposure than both.

(10-28-2020 07:23 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  The FCS crowd keeps arguing that G5 won’t be as good as P5. False dichotomy. Compare G5 options to FCS. I know there are some valid arguments to stay, but all I hear from most is how G5 isn’t as good as their favorite P5 (which I suspect they support differently than JMU).

My thought is that the JMU/FCS crowd is dwindling year by year or month by month. It has been dwindling for a while.

(10-29-2020 09:47 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 09:26 AM)JMU83 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/RTDjohnoconnor/statu...5550153729

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"The reality at the mid-major level is that the opportunity for exposure is greatest in men’s basket“ball,” said W&M interim AD Jeremy Martin. Winning one NCAA tournament game would bring substantially more attention than FCS national title, he said.



Hmmmmm

Know we've hashed this one out in 100 different threads through the years.

I'll say the FCS NC might be a hair better for the school fans, but externally a win in the dance would probably provide more external attention.

Now if ask me which provided me more satisfaction - any of the 4 FBS NC appearances or the recent JMU basketball 16 seed run, it's not even close for me. The 4 appearances in the FCS Championships.

That 16 seed appearance just was not gratifying to me. It felt like a Norfolk State 16 seed appearance where it was so cute they/we got in. "At worst" I want at least a 14 seed.

The W&M AD (ironically a fcs program) leader is spot on

"Winning one NCAA tournament game would bring substantially more attention than FCS national title"

A CAA founding member that sponsors fcs football and is on most of our apologists' favorite football peer list says this, bravo, sad, funny and true...

Imagine Bourne saying something like this, just can't...more concerned with word counts; engaged, excellent, diverse, fluid, contest, balanced, cautious....did I miss key words?

Bring on Moorehead State, Towson, Bob Morris and Hofstra.

(10-29-2020 12:14 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Hosting college gameday probably brought more exposure than both.

Maybe more than recent times, but I don't think more than the early 80's JMU basketball runs.

(10-29-2020 12:48 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 12:14 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Hosting college gameday probably brought more exposure than both.

Maybe more than recent times, but I don't think more than the early 80's JMU basketball runs.

Division 1AA football is really just for the students, it is not intended to garner national attention or even alumni support.

(10-29-2020 12:15 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 09:47 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 09:26 AM)JMU83 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/RTDjohnoconnor/statu...5550153729

John O'Connor
@RTDjohnoconnor
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"The reality at the mid-major level is that the opportunity for exposure is greatest in men’s basket“ball,” said W&M interim AD Jeremy Martin. Winning one NCAA tournament game would bring substantially more attention than FCS national title, he said.



Hmmmmm

Know we've hashed this one out in 100 different threads through the years.

I'll say the FCS NC might be a hair better for the school fans, but externally a win in the dance would probably provide more external attention.

Now if ask me which provided me more satisfaction - any of the 4 FBS NC appearances or the recent JMU basketball 16 seed run, it's not even close for me. The 4 appearances in the FCS Championships.

That 16 seed appearance just was not gratifying to me. It felt like a Norfolk State 16 seed appearance where it was so cute they/we got in. "At worst" I want at least a 14 seed.

The W&M AD (ironically a fcs program) leader is spot on

"Winning one NCAA tournament game would bring substantially more attention than FCS national title"

A CAA founding member that sponsors fcs football and is on most of our apologists' favorite football peer list says this, bravo, sad, funny and true...

Imagine Bourne saying something like this, just can't...more concerned with word counts; engaged, excellent, diverse, fluid, contest, balanced, cautious....did I miss key words?

Monitoring, situation.

It’s an interesting debate- I think he’s wrong. Winning one game isn’t enough to match the exposure of winning the FCS championship. Sweet 16 maybe and certainly a final four run like Vcu and Mason is a lot more exposure but one win- it is great for the school and gives you exposure but it’s often along with other one win upsets so the spotlight even if it’s a small spotlight doesn’t shine as bright on the school.

I’d argue W&M would get great exposure by just making the Ncaa in hoops let alone winning a game.

William & Mary has not ever made the NCAA Basketball Tournament or win a FCS National Championship. JMU has done both, give me the FCS NCAA Championship everytime.

Any JMU Football NC game better than the 2013 LIU Brooklyn win in NCAA tournament and blow out to Indiana.

1981 NCAA win over Georgetown, followed by loss to Notre Dame better than any JMU Football NC game

1982 NCAA win over Ohio State, followed by last second loss to UNC WAY BETTER than any JMU FBS NC game.

1983 NCAA win over WVU, and loss to UNC better than any JMU FBS NC game.

Those three years in basketball, as well as the Lefty years, have kept the pilot light on within many of us for JMU Men's basketball.

I think the impact was comparable- to many a joe sports fan the takeaway was JMU was a solid basketball school in the 80s and 90s. Our ineptitude since and also even before that George Masons run (George mason James Madison confusion by Joe Sports fan) negated that perception. Now the perception due to the championships CGD etc is that oh JMU you guys are have a solid football program.