(02-12-2020 08:24 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 05:29 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...bble-years

looks like it took about 5 years for the Power schools to kill off the mid major at large bid from basketball.

how many years before they completely close the door on the G5 from any meaningful bowl access?

I mean they already have them down to one NY6 bowl. I doubt that any G5 team will ever crack the Top 4, even if they beat Bama, Clemson, and Ohio State in the same year.

right. but i think the NY6 is meaningful.

the ONLY meaningful bowl in all of G5 land.

the next bowl negotiations might kill that off for good though. Unless the G5 wants to go the lawsuit route.

but once they do that, the P5 will secede from the NCAA and take their balls with them. shutting the door for good.

lawsuits won't help then. can't say there is a 'restriction of trade' or a monopoly if you have two organizations.....the new P5 "NCAA" and the old "everyone else" NCAA.

it's just a matter of time.

Wow. D1AA football powerhouse, Eastern Washington, could be on the chopping block? I'd say doubtful, but this article raises eyebrows nonetheless...

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ashington/

The study was done by the faculty Senate, and while I don't know the political particulars at EWU, most schools' faculty generally want more money spent on academic pursuits than sports programs. I don't see the football team going anywhere though; if they were less successful, maybe, but not right now.

This is pretty cool...game will be televised on ESPN...

ECU Athletics @ECUAthletics

ECU & Marshall have been granted a waiver by the NCAA to play their season opener on Aug. 29 - a week earlier than originally scheduled - at Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium as a tribute to the 75 people who died almost 50 years ago in the Marshall plane crash.

Chris Vannini @ChrisVannini

St. Thomas (Minn.) is getting booted from its league for winning too much.

Now it’s trying to be the first school ever to jump directly from Division III to Division I... if the NCAA allows it

(02-20-2020 01:35 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Chris Vannini @ChrisVannini

St. Thomas (Minn.) is getting booted from its league for winning too much.

Now it’s trying to be the first school ever to jump directly from Division III to Division I... if the NCAA allows it

No way is that going be approved! Kudos to them for trying. HUGE difference between Div III and Div I. Even JMU basketball beats up on Div III.
Probably the most important piece is facilities and fan support. They may be recruiting Div I talent, but the facilities and support are worth of Div II at most. I read where the decision should be made by April.

(02-20-2020 02:25 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 01:35 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Chris Vannini @ChrisVannini

St. Thomas (Minn.) is getting booted from its league for winning too much.

Now it’s trying to be the first school ever to jump directly from Division III to Division I... if the NCAA allows it

No way is that going be approved! Kudos to them for trying. HUGE difference between Div III and Div I. Even JMU basketball beats up on Div III.
Probably the most important piece is facilities and fan support. They may be recruiting Div I talent, but the facilities and support are worth of Div II at most. I read where the decision should be made by April.

We may beat up bottom tier D3 teams like Shenandoah, Bridgewater and Eastern Mennonite who are a combined 18-53 so far this year. But I am not sure we can beat St. Thomas in basketball or Swarthmore or Randolph-Macon; D3's top teams who are a combined 66-3.

(02-21-2020 08:49 AM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 02:25 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 01:35 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Chris Vannini @ChrisVannini

St. Thomas (Minn.) is getting booted from its league for winning too much.

Now it’s trying to be the first school ever to jump directly from Division III to Division I... if the NCAA allows it

No way is that going be approved! Kudos to them for trying. HUGE difference between Div III and Div I. Even JMU basketball beats up on Div III.
Probably the most important piece is facilities and fan support. They may be recruiting Div I talent, but the facilities and support are worth of Div II at most. I read where the decision should be made by April.

We may beat up bottom tier D3 teams like Shenandoah, Bridgewater and Eastern Mennonite who are a combined 18-53 so far this year. But I am not sure we can beat St. Thomas in basketball or Swarthmore or Randolph-Macon; D3's top teams who are a combined 66-3.

FWIW, this is about football with regard to St. Thomas (Minn.) moving up.

(02-21-2020 09:03 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 08:49 AM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 02:25 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 01:35 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Chris Vannini @ChrisVannini

St. Thomas (Minn.) is getting booted from its league for winning too much.

Now it’s trying to be the first school ever to jump directly from Division III to Division I... if the NCAA allows it

No way is that going be approved! Kudos to them for trying. HUGE difference between Div III and Div I. Even JMU basketball beats up on Div III.
Probably the most important piece is facilities and fan support. They may be recruiting Div I talent, but the facilities and support are worth of Div II at most. I read where the decision should be made by April.

We may beat up bottom tier D3 teams like Shenandoah, Bridgewater and Eastern Mennonite who are a combined 18-53 so far this year. But I am not sure we can beat St. Thomas in basketball or Swarthmore or Randolph-Macon; D3's top teams who are a combined 66-3.

FWIW, this is about football with regard to St. Thomas (Minn.) moving up.

I was responding to a previous post that mentioned how our basketball team performed against d3 basketball teams.

FWIW. St. Thomas is much more than a football program they are a top d3 in all sports as is their women's program.

I love watching DIII football. Where else can you watch a 5'8" 290 lb defensive tackle play goal line defense? (think Dominique White from Mickey's 2008-2009 teams)

(02-21-2020 12:58 PM)olddawg Wrote:  I love watching DIII football. Where else can you watch a 5'8" 290 lb defensive tackle play goal line defense? (think Dominique White from Mickey's 2008-2009 teams)

So I could be wrong but you answered your own question with 'at JMU'.

I admit I didn't even consider St Thomas was talking about football. Knowing that it seems even more ridiculous to think they can go from Div III all the way to Div I.
When they say Div I they have to mean FCS, right? There is no freaking way they are going all the way up to FBS with a school less than 10K. FCS... maybe.
If they are careless in this they will damage everything they've worked so hard to build in a very short time.

(02-21-2020 11:14 AM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 09:03 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 08:49 AM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 02:25 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 01:35 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Chris Vannini @ChrisVannini

St. Thomas (Minn.) is getting booted from its league for winning too much.

Now it’s trying to be the first school ever to jump directly from Division III to Division I... if the NCAA allows it

No way is that going be approved! Kudos to them for trying. HUGE difference between Div III and Div I. Even JMU basketball beats up on Div III.
Probably the most important piece is facilities and fan support. They may be recruiting Div I talent, but the facilities and support are worth of Div II at most. I read where the decision should be made by April.

We may beat up bottom tier D3 teams like Shenandoah, Bridgewater and Eastern Mennonite who are a combined 18-53 so far this year. But I am not sure we can beat St. Thomas in basketball or Swarthmore or Randolph-Macon; D3's top teams who are a combined 66-3.

FWIW, this is about football with regard to St. Thomas (Minn.) moving up.

I was responding to a previous post that mentioned how our basketball team performed against d3 basketball teams.

FWIW. St. Thomas is much more than a football program they are a top d3 in all sports as is their women's program.

Understood. I just didn't know if folks knew it was about their FB program driving to make this move. I just realized looking back at the twitter message I pasted that it didn't specifically state FB. Just making sure to clarify. Not meaning to be snotty or anything. Apologies if you took it that way. Agree with your statement, btw.

(02-21-2020 01:21 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  I admit I didn't even consider St Thomas was talking about football. Knowing that it seems even more ridiculous to think they can go from Div III all the way to Div I.
When they say Div I they have to mean FCS, right? There is no freaking way they are going all the way up to FBS with a school less than 10K. FCS... maybe.
If they are careless in this they will damage everything they've worked so hard to build in a very short time.

Yes, they would probably be in the FCS. I believe they are talking to the Summit League, but the SL doesn't sponsor football, which means perhaps the MVFC is a FB landing spot for them?

(02-21-2020 01:21 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  I admit I didn't even consider St Thomas was talking about football. Knowing that it seems even more ridiculous to think they can go from Div III all the way to Div I.
When they say Div I they have to mean FCS, right? There is no freaking way they are going all the way up to FBS with a school less than 10K. FCS... maybe.
If they are careless in this they will damage everything they've worked so hard to build in a very short time.

I would lose it if a diii football team with a tiny stadium which I have seen because I lived in st paul jumps even fcs before jmu is fbs.

(02-20-2020 01:35 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Chris Vannini @ChrisVannini

St. Thomas (Minn.) is getting booted from its league for winning too much.

Now it’s trying to be the first school ever to jump directly from Division III to Division I... if the NCAA allows it

I recall smelly Bisons talking about St. Thomas moving to FCS and paying them big props.

(02-21-2020 08:49 AM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 02:25 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 01:35 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Chris Vannini @ChrisVannini

St. Thomas (Minn.) is getting booted from its league for winning too much.

Now it’s trying to be the first school ever to jump directly from Division III to Division I... if the NCAA allows it

No way is that going be approved! Kudos to them for trying. HUGE difference between Div III and Div I. Even JMU basketball beats up on Div III.
Probably the most important piece is facilities and fan support. They may be recruiting Div I talent, but the facilities and support are worth of Div II at most. I read where the decision should be made by April.

We may beat up bottom tier D3 teams like Shenandoah, Bridgewater and Eastern Mennonite who are a combined 18-53 so far this year. But I am not sure we can beat St. Thomas in basketball or Swarthmore or Randolph-Macon; D3's top teams who are a combined 66-3.

Right. St. Thomas is not a typical DIII school. With an enrollment of 10,000 and an endowment five times JMU's, they are not exactly Bridgewater College. Their stadium capacity of 5,000 is suitable for FCS and considerably bigger than our frequent opponent STFU, playoff opponent Monmouth, and several others.... smallest fcs stadiums

Just a few years until we catch up to the can kicked down the road, media renegotiating that will supposedly shake up the g5s.

Will jmu's basketball contract have section addressing a conference move?

I don't think the AAC is realistic at this time, but if they were ever to accept us, it would be solely based on football.

As terrible as our basketball program has been, their leagues sucks anyway and at least we have a new, big arena to showcase. We'd probably one of the best 2 or 3 physical venues in their league for basketball.

The AAC reminds me of the old Big East. It is a good conference with schools that have good name recognition. The negative is I don’t see the schools having a real commitment to each other long term. Most of the league seems to be waiting for a better opportunity.