Been lambasted for saying JMU and other CAA schools would move to an FBS entry conference, the ASUN.

But look what’s happening, the ASun announces they will almost double their membership::

https://asunsports.org/general/2019-20/releases/


Schools that want FBS:

JMU
Delaware
Stony Brook
Albany
maybe Towson, UNH,

Others
NC A&T
Jacksonville St
E Kentucky
Youngstown St

Existing ASUN:
Liberty - already FBS
Kennesaw St - ten years ago
North Alabama - building a new stadium
UNF - when the Jaguar’s leave
FGCU - growing so fast

JMU would have a stellar academic conference as well as presences in Fl, GA, and AL for their rich recruiting ground. It would have numerous advantages over the Belt from a Presidential view.

It could also qualify for FBS by 2025, which would give it part of the CFP.

But I’m only an idiot here, as this board has said.

Link is broken

(01-23-2020 02:32 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Been lambasted for saying JMU and other CAA schools would move to an FBS entry conference, the ASUN.

But look what’s happening, the ASun announces they will almost double their membership::

https://asunsports.org/general/2019-20/releases/


Schools that want FBS:

JMU
Delaware
Stony Brook
Albany
maybe Towson, UNH,

Others
NC A&T
Jacksonville St
E Kentucky
Youngstown St

Existing ASUN:
Liberty - already FBS
Kennesaw St - ten years ago
North Alabama - building a new stadium
UNF - when the Jaguar’s leave
FGCU - growing so fast

JMU would have a stellar academic conference as well as presences in Fl, GA, and AL for their rich recruiting ground. It would have numerous advantages over the Belt from a Presidential view.

It could also qualify for FBS by 2025, which would give it part of the CFP.

But I’m only an idiot here, as this board has said.

sorry, you are most likely not an idiot.

but when it comes to FBS move ups and realignment, yes, your views are way out there and just not going to happen in a million years.

(01-23-2020 07:04 AM)olddawg Wrote:  Link is broken

https://asunsports.org/general/2019-20/r...0122lh6utq

I didn't see anywhere in there where FBS was even discussed.
Looks to me like it is just a poor man's A-10. A basketball conference. And if so, no thank you. Plus, the current regionalization doesn't look good for JMU. JMU cannot afford to send all of its programs down to multiple schools in Florida.
In my opinion, a lot would have to change in that conference for JMU to see that as an advantage.
However, if they do open it up to more schools in JMU's driving distance and they have FBS aspirations, then perhaps this might be a possibility. Definitely won't rule it out, though.

a) ASUN Conference expands to 20 members (by June, 2023)
let's say UCSA-E, App St and the two GA schools
b) The ASUN transfers rights to the ASUN name and marks to the CCSA
The CCSA just became the ASUN
c) The ASUN 7 join the CCSA (July 1, 2023)
The ASUN members move to their new conference making it an AQ for NCAA tourney. Probably all ASUN members but Liberty go.
d) The CCSA adopts the ASUN name as a multisport conference
Same ASUN as before (minus Liberty), Same name, Same everything
e) The remaining ASUN members adopt the name United Athletic Conference
A new FBS conference is born (I'd hope we change the name). In my scenario it has 11 members already, CUSA-E, App St , Ga So, Ga St & Liberty. Interested in #12?


This all takes place in the summer of 2023.

(01-23-2020 09:48 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  a) ASUN Conference expands to 20 members (by June, 2023)
let's say UCSA-E, App St and the two GA schools
b) The ASUN transfers rights to the ASUN name and marks to the CCSA
The CCSA just became the ASUN
c) The ASUN 7 join the CCSA (July 1, 2023)
The ASUN members move to their new conference making it an AQ for NCAA tourney. Probably all ASUN members but Liberty go.
d) The CCSA adopts the ASUN name as a multisport conference
Same ASUN as before (minus Liberty), Same name, Same everything
e) The remaining ASUN members adopt the name United Athletic Conference
A new FBS conference is born (I'd hope we change the name). In my scenario it has 11 members already, CUSA-E, App St , Ga So, Ga St & Liberty. Interested in #12?


This all takes place in the summer of 2023.

Why would existing FBS members purposely lose their CFP for a couple years, which the main realignment board is spouting? The ASUn can’t get CFP money until 2025, so any existing FBS moves lose a couple million and then exit fees. It is so much cheaper if CUSA-E teams that want out do it internally with switching between CUSA and the Belt.

Why would GA schools want to be in a league with Kennesaw St? KSU and Ga St are almost mortal enemies in football.

(01-23-2020 11:00 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 09:48 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  a) ASUN Conference expands to 20 members (by June, 2023)
let's say UCSA-E, App St and the two GA schools
b) The ASUN transfers rights to the ASUN name and marks to the CCSA
The CCSA just became the ASUN
c) The ASUN 7 join the CCSA (July 1, 2023)
The ASUN members move to their new conference making it an AQ for NCAA tourney. Probably all ASUN members but Liberty go.
d) The CCSA adopts the ASUN name as a multisport conference
Same ASUN as before (minus Liberty), Same name, Same everything
e) The remaining ASUN members adopt the name United Athletic Conference
A new FBS conference is born (I'd hope we change the name). In my scenario it has 11 members already, CUSA-E, App St , Ga So, Ga St & Liberty. Interested in #12?


This all takes place in the summer of 2023.

Why would existing FBS members purposely lose their CFP for a couple years, which the main realignment board is spouting? The ASUn can’t get CFP money until 2025, so any existing FBS moves lose a couple million and then exit fees. It is so much cheaper if CUSA-E teams that want out do it internally with switching between CUSA and the Belt.

Why would GA schools want to be in a league with Kennesaw St? KSU and Ga St are almost mortal enemies in football.

Because it's expected that the new CFP contract to be reopened (or at the very least the new one to begin negotiations) before the 2025 season, so it would be essential for a new FBS conference to exist before that date. It would be easier but western teams aren't as keen on the idea as eastern schools it seems, so we may have to force their hand.

KSU and the GA FBS schools would not be in a conference together. Not for more than a few days.

Just speculation of course but the ASUN is creating a new conference for some reason. It's highly suspicious.

(01-23-2020 11:22 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 11:00 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 09:48 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  a) ASUN Conference expands to 20 members (by June, 2023)
let's say UCSA-E, App St and the two GA schools
b) The ASUN transfers rights to the ASUN name and marks to the CCSA
The CCSA just became the ASUN
c) The ASUN 7 join the CCSA (July 1, 2023)
The ASUN members move to their new conference making it an AQ for NCAA tourney. Probably all ASUN members but Liberty go.
d) The CCSA adopts the ASUN name as a multisport conference
Same ASUN as before (minus Liberty), Same name, Same everything
e) The remaining ASUN members adopt the name United Athletic Conference
A new FBS conference is born (I'd hope we change the name). In my scenario it has 11 members already, CUSA-E, App St , Ga So, Ga St & Liberty. Interested in #12?


This all takes place in the summer of 2023.

Why would existing FBS members purposely lose their CFP for a couple years, which the main realignment board is spouting? The ASUn can’t get CFP money until 2025, so any existing FBS moves lose a couple million and then exit fees. It is so much cheaper if CUSA-E teams that want out do it internally with switching between CUSA and the Belt.

Why would GA schools want to be in a league with Kennesaw St? KSU and Ga St are almost mortal enemies in football.

Because it's expected that the new CFP contract to be reopened (or at the very least the new one to begin negotiations) before the 2025 season, so it would be essential for a new FBS conference to exist before that date. It would be easier but western teams aren't as keen on the idea as eastern schools it seems, so we may have to force their hand.

KSU and the GA FBS schools would not be in a conference together. Not for more than a few days.

Just speculation of course but the ASUN is creating a new conference for some reason. It's highly suspicious.

Giving up CFP for a few years is preposterous. There is no quarantee that the new ASUN would qualify, somexisting FBS schools would be risking a lot. If Belt and CUSA schools want to save on travel, that is an idiotic risk to take.

(01-22-2020 04:36 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(01-22-2020 02:35 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Unrelated to JMU, but interesting nonetheless...

...Boise State is suing the Mountain West Conference (in which it is a member) over football television revenue control...

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-conten...otball.pdf

Hmmmmm….

Looks like Boise is saying the MWC breeched terms of its negotiated re-entry agreement after Big East (which it planned to join) fell apart.

The reentry agreement is what contained clauses giving them "bonuses" for certain nationally televised games, and some control over home broadcasts.

So really, they aren't suing to get more control, they are suing to enforce terms of an agreement they made with MWC years ago and collect revenue MWC stopped paying.

Don't think this changes the landscape much, unless it results in Boise moving elsewhere. AAC would like to have them, and/or Air Force, and/or BYU join.

Smoke is starting to blow again on all these things and I wouldn't bet against the landscape shifting again in a bigger way than just little things around the edges like UMass. Thought is was interesting that the Banner Society guys are putting out these hypotheticals the same way we are. I'm not defending their credibility - if ya know, ya know and I deleted the newsletter today. But it is interesting that it seems everything is back on the table in lots of places, including Big Sky country, as we head toward 2025 and all the deals that are up then - MWC/Boise, AAC, Big 12, CFP, etc.
The ASUN thing seems to be trying to get out in front of, or at least be a bunch of schools thinking about positioning themselves in anticipation of, an inevitable second big wave of realignmnent, one that could obviously include a Sun Belt/CUSA re-org of some type.

ULM athletics' financial shortfall in 2019 fiscal year 'anticipated'

https://www.thenewsstar.com/story/sports...613233002/

“It’s not horribly more expensive (for us to play football at the FBS level) than it was a few years ago. Those are state employees and benefits costs go up every year,” McDonald said. “There’s also increased cost in travel, food, just small increases. And when you multiply that by 400-plus student athletes and managers, you’re feeding and housing and taking all of those people on the road with you."

“Football has the opportunity to contribute back, playing in front of bigger crowds and ticket revenue and those games with the (Power 5) schools, picking up those checks. There’s where you offset the cost.”

"This marks the second straight fiscal year ULM’s athletic department finished in the red, reporting a $396,00 loss for 2018."

"ULM continues to have the lowest athletic budget among all FBS schools. According to USA Today, the athletic department had seen an increase in revenue the previous four fiscal years, generating $12.1 million in revenue in 2014, $13 million in 2015, $14.6 million in 2017 and $16.6 million in 2017 before the slight dip to $15.5 million in 2019."

Interesting.
"ULM's largest deficits came from "other sports" i.e. the losses are not football centric, revenue sports like football can and do bring home P5 checks per the article.

JMU 2018 Budget

Gotta wonder how much the Athletic facility debt service line will go up with the addition of the new arena.

(01-30-2020 02:45 PM)Dukester Wrote:  JMU 2018 Budget

Gotta wonder how much the Athletic facility debt service line will go up with the addition of the new arena.

I’m sure it goes up significantly, but believe this was largely exempt/grandfathered for purposes of the cox bill limits. Since it is a “multipurpose” facility, they may also only allocate part of the debt to athletics.

(01-30-2020 03:21 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 02:45 PM)Dukester Wrote:  JMU 2018 Budget

Gotta wonder how much the Athletic facility debt service line will go up with the addition of the new arena.

I’m sure it goes up significantly, but believe this was largely exempt/grandfathered for purposes of the cox bill limits. Since it is a “multipurpose” facility, they may also only allocate part of the debt to athletics.

I would say that makes a huge different. Plus, it's additional revenue.
What a lot of people forget about is the benefits that the new arena gives Harrisonburg and its residents. It also allows for bigger and better opportunities to get concerts and other events that the Convo just couldn't get. That also increases revenue for JMU and the larger venue means more tickets are sold.
This isn't Bridgeforth where JMU holds practically all of the burden due to limited events that are held there. The arena is not only a game changer for basketball, but for events in the region. Those extra events allow for much more revenue to JMU.
That being said, JMU seriously needs athletics to do their part in regards to bringing fans into the new arena.

% Increase in Coaching pay at JMU from 2007 - 2018

Football Increase = 87% ($1,192,201 up to $2,228,402)
Women's basketball = 47% ($389,694 up to $571,085)
Men's basketball = 35% ($511,694 up to $692,354)

(01-30-2020 04:03 PM)Dukester Wrote:  % Increase in Coaching pay at JMU from 2007 - 2018

Football Increase = 87% ($1,192,201 up to $2,228,402)
Women's basketball = 47% ($389,694 up to $571,085)
Men's basketball = 35% ($511,694 up to $692,354)

what we suspected. But MBB $ is gonna change for the better. I am feeling it.

Based on posts from posters that generally support all things admin., the admin has a lot to gain or lose based on how mbb is handled. If JMU retains Rowe or goes bargain shopping for a coach, many Dukes may form their own opinions on the admins long term vision and readiness and willingness to be the change.

I believe this was rumored back in the fall, but FWIW...


Eddie Wooten @EddieWooten
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BREAKING: @NCATAGGIES expected to announce Friday that it will leave the MEAC to join the Big South Conference.

I wonder if this is for all athletics? If it is, this would put their strong D1AA football program in contention for the NCAA playoffs. Will they give up the chance to play in the Celebration Bowl (MEAC vs SWAC) that has kept solid FB programs out of the playoffs???

WP

Interesting that you bring that up re NCA&T. On the way back from Frisco I was talking to a NCA&T fan at Atlanta Hartsfield and he indicated that the Aggies were looking at joining the MVC. Have not heard or seen anything related to that but interesting if it is true. Don't know. Big South does seem to make more sense though.

Brian