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RE: Newest Conference Rumor
Because the expenses associated with flying halfway across the country are indicative of fan support and what you can draw for a home game. 01-wingedeagle
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(01-20-2020 10:49 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Because the expenses associated with flying halfway across the country are indicative of fan support and what you can draw for a home game. 01-wingedeagle

Lame argument. The cost of flying halfway across the country these days is about the same as flying all the way across the country or 400 miles away. Dallas is the corporate headquarters and hub for big airlines like American and Southwest. You can fly here cheap, I'm sure cheaper than you can fly to Chattanooga from Harrisonburg or NoVa. So, airfare cost is a non-starter.

Fans are just tired of pounding the Larry, Darrell, and Darrel Academy of Concrete Finishing and the STFU Sisters of the Poor.

We had 17,000 butts in seats because FCS sucks, not because it costs a fortune to fly to Dallas.
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I would guess that the reason the attendance wasn't higher had a lot to do with the weather and the reason the ticket demand wasn't higher is largely because it gets tough to swing a trip like that right after Christmas over and over and over. I'm definitely all for a move to FBS, but I don't think there was any lack of excitement for JMU football and the national championship game this year.
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(01-21-2020 12:04 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  I would guess that the reason the attendance wasn't higher had a lot to do with the weather and the reason the ticket demand wasn't higher is largely because it gets tough to swing a trip like that right after Christmas over and over and over. I'm definitely all for a move to FBS, but I don't think there was any lack of excitement for JMU football and the national championship game this year.

I agree that there were other factors involved in the poor showing. The weather definitely sucked. But, there was clearly less interest this year than in years past, in my opinion, not just for us, but also for the smelly Bisons. I have probably made my last trip to Frisco and I live 20 minutes from the stadium.
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RE: Newest Conference Rumor
(01-20-2020 11:58 PM)bulldogg Wrote:  Lame argument. The cost of flying halfway across the country these days is about the same as flying all the way across the country or 400 miles away. Dallas is the corporate headquarters and hub for big airlines like American and Southwest. You can fly here cheap, I'm sure cheaper than you can fly to Chattanooga from Harrisonburg or NoVa. So, airfare cost is a non-starter.
Curious how many games outside of Frisco you made it to this season?

(01-20-2020 11:58 PM)bulldogg Wrote:  We had 17,000 butts in seats because FCS sucks, not because it costs a fortune to fly to Dallas.
They 17,866 butts in seats because they couldn’t get any more, it was a sellout.
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(01-20-2020 12:31 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 04:31 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 04:27 PM)DukeThaDawg Wrote:  I love this thread, which was started on 11-29-2012 at 11:44 AM.

False.
Feb 13, 2011
http://www.caazone.com/boards/threads/ne...or.103927/

Thanks Deez for digging up my original post. It was fun reading it 8 years later. It has been so long, I am not even sure of the sources for the information I posted. Schools did go FBS since then but not in the conferences originally thought.

Never in my wildest dreams did I believe we would still be debating FBS this many years later. Always fun to travel back in time though.

Whew .... some of those posters were all over those boards almost 10 years ago! Not sure some of these classics are around these days...

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(01-21-2020 08:14 AM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  
(01-20-2020 12:31 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 04:31 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 04:27 PM)DukeThaDawg Wrote:  I love this thread, which was started on 11-29-2012 at 11:44 AM.

False.
Feb 13, 2011
http://www.caazone.com/boards/threads/ne...or.103927/

Thanks Deez for digging up my original post. It was fun reading it 8 years later. It has been so long, I am not even sure of the sources for the information I posted. Schools did go FBS since then but not in the conferences originally thought.

Never in my wildest dreams did I believe we would still be debating FBS this many years later. Always fun to travel back in time though.

Whew .... some of those posters were all over those boards almost 10 years ago! Not sure some of these classics are around these days...

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Dolley made an appearance after Frisco.
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17-18K is the ceiling for FCS champ crowds in Frisco TX. A lot of that is market rates; ticket prices, stadium size, frisco fatigue, etc, but the FCS title game will never draw more than 25K because it's FCS.
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(01-21-2020 08:41 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  17-18K is the ceiling for FCS champ crowds in Frisco TX. A lot of that is market rates; ticket prices, stadium size, frisco fatigue, etc, but the FCS title game will never draw more than 25K because it's FCS.

My point exactly, and the game was NOT a sellout. I figure 98% according to the number of tickets available on the secondary market the morning of the game.

I guess we should feel fortunate. The DII championship had 3,400 in attendance at a high school stadium.
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Move the game to Orlando, Tampa, Vegas, Phoenix, San Diego....people are tired of these podunk championship locations with ****** weather. Yeah I know it's just FCS.....
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(01-21-2020 10:47 AM)mainejeff Wrote:  Move the game to Orlando, Tampa, Vegas, Phoenix, San Diego....people are tired of these podunk championship locations with ****** weather. Yeah I know it's just FCS.....

Wow - what a great idea. We should start a thread on that. 03-lmfao
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Season Date (notes) Champion Score Runner-up Location Attendance Winning head coach

1978 December 16, 1978 Florida A&M 35–28 UMass Wichita Falls, TX 13,604 Rudy Hubbard
1979 December 15, 1979 Eastern Kentucky 30–7 Lehigh Orlando, FL 5,200 Roy Kidd
1980 December 20, 1980 Boise State 31–29 Eastern Kentucky Sacramento, CA 8,157 Jim Criner
1981 December 19, 1981 Idaho State 34–23 Eastern Kentucky Wichita Falls, TX 11,002 Dave Kragthorpe
1982 December 18, 1982 Eastern Kentucky (2) 17–14 Delaware Wichita Falls, TX 11,257 Roy Kidd (2)
1983 December 17, 1983 Southern Illinois 43–7 Western Carolina Charleston, SC 15,950 Rey Dempsey
1984 December 15, 1984 Montana State 19–6 Louisiana Tech Charleston, SC 9,125 Dave Arnold
1985 December 21, 1985 Georgia Southern 44–42 Furman Tacoma, WA 5,306 Erk Russell
1986 December 19, 1986 Georgia Southern (2) 48–21 Arkansas State Tacoma, WA 4,419 Erk Russell (2)
1987 December 19, 1987 Northeast Louisiana 43–42 Marshall Pocatello, ID 11,513 Pat Collins
1988 December 17, 1988 Furman 17–12 Georgia Southern Pocatello, ID 9,714 Jimmy Satterfield
1989 December 16, 1989 Georgia Southern (3) 37–34 Stephen F. Austin Statesboro, GA 25,725 Erk Russell (3)
1990 December 15, 1990 Georgia Southern (4) 36–13 Nevada Statesboro, GA 23,204 Tim Stowers
1991 December 21, 1991 Youngstown State 25–17 Marshall Statesboro, GA 12,667 Jim Tressel
1992 December 19, 1992 Marshall 31–28 Youngstown State Huntington, WV 31,304 Jim Donnan
1993 December 18, 1993 Youngstown State (2) 17–5 Marshall Huntington, WV 29,218 Jim Tressel (2)
1994 December 17, 1994 Youngstown State (3) 28–14 Boise State Huntington, WV 27,674 Jim Tressel (3)
1995 December 16, 1995 Montana 22–20 Marshall Huntington, WV 32,106 Don Read
1996 December 21, 1996 Marshall (2) 49–29 Montana Huntington, WV 30,052 Bob Pruett
1997 December 20, 1997 Youngstown State (4) 10–9 McNeese State Chattanooga, TN 14,771 Jim Tressel (4)
1998 December 19, 1998 UMass 55–43 Georgia Southern Chattanooga, TN 17,501 Mark Whipple
1999 December 18, 1999 Georgia Southern (5) 59–24 Youngstown State Chattanooga, TN 20,052 Paul
2000 December 16, 2000 Georgia Southern (6) 27–25 Montana Chattanooga, TN 17,156 Paul Johnson (2)
2001 December 21, 2001 Montana (2) 13–6 Furman Chattanooga, TN 12,698 Joe Glenn
2002 December 20, 2002 Western Kentucky 34–14 McNeese State Chattanooga, TN 12,360 Jack Harbaugh
2003 December 19, 2003 Delaware 40–0 Colgate Chattanooga, TN 14,281 K. C. Keeler
2004 December 17, 2004 James Madison 31–21 Montana Chattanooga, TN 16,771 Mickey Matthews
2005 December 16, 2005 Appalachian State 21–16 Northern Iowa Chattanooga, TN 20,236 Jerry Moore
2006 December 15, 2006 Appalachian State (2) 28–17 UMass Chattanooga, TN 22,808 Jerry Moore (2)
2007 December 14, 2007 Appalachian State (3) 49–21 Delaware Chattanooga, TN 23,010 Jerry Moore (3)
2008 December 19, 2008 Richmond 24–7 Montana Chattanooga, TN 17,823 Mike London
2009 December 18, 2009 Villanova 23–21 Montana Chattanooga, TN 14,328 Andy Talley
2010 January 7, 2011 Eastern Washington 20–19 Delaware Frisco, TX 13,027 Beau Baldwin
2011 January 7, 2012 North Dakota State 17–6 Sam Houston State Frisco, TX 20,586 Craig Bohl
2012 January 5, 2013 North Dakota State (2) 39–13 Sam Houston State Frisco, TX 21,411 Craig Bohl (2)
2013 January 4, 2014 North Dakota State (3) 35–7 Towson Frisco, TX 19,802 Craig Bohl (3)
2014 January 10, 2015 North Dakota State (4) 29–27 Illinois State Frisco, TX 20,918 Chris Klieman
2015 January 9, 2016 North Dakota State (5) 37–10 Jacksonville State Frisco, TX 21,836 Chris Klieman (2)
2016 January 7, 2017 James Madison (2) 28–14 Youngstown State Frisco, TX 14,423 Mike Houston
2017 January 6, 2018 North Dakota State (6) 17–13 James Madison Frisco, TX 19,090 Chris Klieman (3)
2018 January 5, 2019 North Dakota State (7) 38–24 Eastern Washington Frisco, TX 17,802 Chris Klieman (4)
2019 January 11, 2020 North Dakota State (8) 28–20 James Madison Frisco, TX 17,866 Matt Entz
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(01-21-2020 10:39 AM)Purple Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 08:41 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  17-18K is the ceiling for FCS champ crowds in Frisco TX. A lot of that is market rates; ticket prices, stadium size, frisco fatigue, etc, but the FCS title game will never draw more than 25K because it's FCS.

My point exactly, and the game was NOT a sellout. I figure 98% according to the number of tickets available on the secondary market the morning of the game.

I guess we should feel fortunate. The DII championship had 3,400 in attendance at a high school stadium. Not kidding!
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(01-21-2020 10:39 AM)Purple Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 08:41 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  17-18K is the ceiling for FCS champ crowds in Frisco TX. A lot of that is market rates; ticket prices, stadium size, frisco fatigue, etc, but the FCS title game will never draw more than 25K because it's FCS.

My point exactly, and the game was NOT a sellout. I figure 98% according to the number of tickets available on the secondary market the morning of the game.
It was announced as a sellout, if those tickets were on the secondary market they were already SOLD once. People either got stuck in traffic with the weather and/or tried to flip them and got too greedy so they ate them. Many people figured they never had a chance at tickets and didn’t factor it in so they moved on.

And for ticket prices, the Frisco Bowl tickets were less than 1/2 price of what the FCS tickets were and there’s a bowl payout attached to the 2 teams. Shame on them for gouging the fans; if they sold the FCS tickets at the 4/$99 rate they could get many more willing to show up.
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(01-21-2020 07:53 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 10:39 AM)Purple Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 08:41 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  17-18K is the ceiling for FCS champ crowds in Frisco TX. A lot of that is market rates; ticket prices, stadium size, frisco fatigue, etc, but the FCS title game will never draw more than 25K because it's FCS.

My point exactly, and the game was NOT a sellout. I figure 98% according to the number of tickets available on the secondary market the morning of the game.
It was announced as a sellout, if those tickets were on the secondary market they were already SOLD once. People either got stuck in traffic with the weather and/or tried to flip them and got too greedy so they ate them. Many people figured they never had a chance at tickets and didn’t factor it in so they moved on.

And for ticket prices, the Frisco Bowl tickets were less than 1/2 price of what the FCS tickets were and there’s a bowl payout attached to the 2 teams. Shame on them for gouging the fans; if they sold the FCS tickets at the 4/$99 rate they could get many more willing to show up.

I agree. Just one more reason I am sick of Frisco.
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Tickets for the Frisco Bowl held 3 weeks before the FCS Championship:

Quote:Ticket prices are $49 for sideline sections and $65 for midfield sections. This year’s game also features three new package options available for purchase.

ESPN RED ZONE VIP Experience ($125 per ticket)
This includes a VIP Terrace covered seat, exclusive access to the Hall of Fame Club and the National Soccer Hall of Fame Experience and a ticket to the ESPN pre-game Party from 4:30 – 6:30 p.m.

South End Zone Area Party Pass ($40 per ticket)
This package includes a seat in the brand-new covered South End Zone, exclusive access to the National Soccer Hall of Fame’s Open Cup Club and a chance to view the postgame press conference.

Frisco Bowl Family Pack (Four tickets for $99)
Get four tickets for $99 with each additional ticket costing just $24.75. The Family Pack includes (TBD Family Meal Deal from Tropical Smoothie Cafe, $40 in gaming cards from Strikz Entertainment, two (2) free Nothing Bundt Cakes bundtlet coupons, two (2) buy one-get one bundtlet coupons.
So for less than $200 I can get 8 people in, meal deals, gaming cards and a bunch of coupons or only 2 and wait in line for 90 minutes to get scanned for streamers? 05-mafia
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(01-21-2020 08:10 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Tickets for the Frisco Bowl held 3 weeks before the FCS Championship:

Quote:Ticket prices are $49 for sideline sections and $65 for midfield sections. This year’s game also features three new package options available for purchase.

ESPN RED ZONE VIP Experience ($125 per ticket)
This includes a VIP Terrace covered seat, exclusive access to the Hall of Fame Club and the National Soccer Hall of Fame Experience and a ticket to the ESPN pre-game Party from 4:30 – 6:30 p.m.

South End Zone Area Party Pass ($40 per ticket)
This package includes a seat in the brand-new covered South End Zone, exclusive access to the National Soccer Hall of Fame’s Open Cup Club and a chance to view the postgame press conference.

Frisco Bowl Family Pack (Four tickets for $99)
Get four tickets for $99 with each additional ticket costing just $24.75. The Family Pack includes (TBD Family Meal Deal from Tropical Smoothie Cafe, $40 in gaming cards from Strikz Entertainment, two (2) free Nothing Bundt Cakes bundtlet coupons, two (2) buy one-get one bundtlet coupons.
So for less than $200 I can get 8 people in, meal deals, gaming cards and a bunch of coupons or only 2 and wait in line for 90 minutes to get scanned for streamers? 05-mafia

For that amazingly low price you could have watched Kent State and Utah State 03-puke03-puke at a half empty stadium.
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And you did not have to start your tailgate at 6 am at the Frisco Bowl.
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Unrelated to JMU, but interesting nonetheless...

...Boise State is suing the Mountain West Conference (in which it is a member) over football television revenue control...

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-conten...otball.pdf

Hmmmmm….
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(01-22-2020 02:35 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Unrelated to JMU, but interesting nonetheless...

...Boise State is suing the Mountain West Conference (in which it is a member) over football television revenue control...

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-conten...otball.pdf

Hmmmmm….

Looks like Boise is saying the MWC breeched terms of its negotiated re-entry agreement after Big East (which it planned to join) fell apart.

The reentry agreement is what contained clauses giving them "bonuses" for certain nationally televised games, and some control over home broadcasts.

So really, they aren't suing to get more control, they are suing to enforce terms of an agreement they made with MWC years ago and collect revenue MWC stopped paying.

Don't think this changes the landscape much, unless it results in Boise moving elsewhere. AAC would like to have them, and/or Air Force, and/or BYU join.
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