(11-28-2012 08:42 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  

(11-28-2012 08:39 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(11-28-2012 08:14 PM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  

(11-28-2012 08:05 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  

(11-28-2012 07:54 PM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  Every time this happens Liberty is some how brought into the fold. No means no! The only team from the FCS we should be looking at is App State. I'd rather not take any, but it looks like all the Sun Belt Conference ever will be is a FCS stepping stone conference...

No means no, unless it doesn't...

Dude get over yourself. There are plenty of other FCS teams that are more appealing than Liberty. You are at the bottom of a very large FCS move-up barrel. I'm not trying to be mean, but we're not interested. Move along.

So honestly you would take Jacksonville St, Lamar, and Sam Houston before Liberty?

The sad fact is that the Sun Belt Presidents screwed the pooch by not offering Appalachian St and Georgia Southern this summer. They didn't even need to start their FBS transition right away, but could have offered a transition period like ODU received from CUSA.

The bigger issue is that the Sun Belt needs to have a plan to add for 12 football members right now, as ACC/Big East events can lead to even further poaching. One can only imagine what would have happened today if the ACC took all three of UConn, Louisville, and Cincy, as had been rumored.

Looked at this board on Monday, and thought it would be panic city. But it wasn't, when it should have been. Only today has their been a meltdown, while the writing has been on the wall every since the Maryland rumors. Not trying to be harsh or anything, but this board is as guilty of not being proactive as your Presidents.

I used to live near the campus of USA, and knew people in the athletic department there. So I'm an advocate of the Sun Belt, but there should have been serious concerns this summer, and especially earlier this month.

Agree, SBC has not be aggressive enough. Seriously, if some people could see through their religious / political / Jerry Sr. hatred, they would see Liberty Athletics as a great choice. We offer a lot and the people who need to know, know that well.

Okay..I'm going to post this again for the benefit of those newbies in this thread that don't understand the totality of what adding Liberty does to us.

1) Other teams will not join our conference and be tied to this "school". Its not an academic institution, its a political church. Hey, Mr. Chancellor of James Madison...come join our conference so you can have Presidents meetings with...Jerry Fallwell, Jr. No serious academic respects his credentials. It will make us a laughingstock.

2) Liberty is not a successful FCS program.
3) Liberty has not made their current conference successful or prominent...for those playing the home game..they currently play in the Big South.
4) Liberty's president is the son of its' crazy founder. Is Liberty an academic institution or the Falwell families private property.
5) Liberty is a private school
6) Liberty isn't concerned with academic and athletic success. Its concened with evangelism. Much of it unwanted and deeply offensive to many members of the Sun Belt community.
7) Liberty's Law school Dean is currently under investigation by the FBI for conspiracy to commit international child abduction. The rot in their Law School also includes a proponent of human rights abuses against minorities, Matt Barber.
8) Democrats, Liberals, Jews, Athiests, Gays, Muslims etc. are not welcome to contribute to the success of the programs at Liberty. All, including evangelicals contribute at Sun Belt schools. Why invite a discriminatory institution to join us. As a Gay man, I'm not even welcome on campus (and no, I'm not - I'm offended by evangelization - If I'm not welcome AS I am, I'm not welcome period). For the straight members of the Sun Belt, I ask this...Can you imagine the EPIC away game experience at Liberty..."Hey...I think I saw some 'hot ankle' on that coed". And, "I think you can get a drink somewhere in town".
9) They have a loser football coach, undoubtedly chosen not for his ability to coach, but for his 'witnessing ability'.
10) Why invite a school that insults and demeans part of the Sun Belt community? We can do fine with 9 teams.

(11-29-2012 07:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-28-2012 08:42 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  

(11-28-2012 08:39 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(11-28-2012 08:14 PM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  

(11-28-2012 08:05 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  No means no, unless it doesn't...

Dude get over yourself. There are plenty of other FCS teams that are more appealing than Liberty. You are at the bottom of a very large FCS move-up barrel. I'm not trying to be mean, but we're not interested. Move along.

So honestly you would take Jacksonville St, Lamar, and Sam Houston before Liberty?

The sad fact is that the Sun Belt Presidents screwed the pooch by not offering Appalachian St and Georgia Southern this summer. They didn't even need to start their FBS transition right away, but could have offered a transition period like ODU received from CUSA.

The bigger issue is that the Sun Belt needs to have a plan to add for 12 football members right now, as ACC/Big East events can lead to even further poaching. One can only imagine what would have happened today if the ACC took all three of UConn, Louisville, and Cincy, as had been rumored.

Looked at this board on Monday, and thought it would be panic city. But it wasn't, when it should have been. Only today has their been a meltdown, while the writing has been on the wall every since the Maryland rumors. Not trying to be harsh or anything, but this board is as guilty of not being proactive as your Presidents.

I used to live near the campus of USA, and knew people in the athletic department there. So I'm an advocate of the Sun Belt, but there should have been serious concerns this summer, and especially earlier this month.

Agree, SBC has not be aggressive enough. Seriously, if some people could see through their religious / political / Jerry Sr. hatred, they would see Liberty Athletics as a great choice. We offer a lot and the people who need to know, know that well.

Okay..I'm going to post this again for the benefit of those newbies in this thread that don't understand the totality of what adding Liberty does to us.

1) Other teams will not join our conference and be tied to this "school". Its not an academic institution, its a political church. Hey, Mr. Chancellor of James Madison...come join our conference so you can have Presidents meetings with...Jerry Fallwell, Jr. No serious academic respects his credentials. It will make us a laughingstock.

2) Liberty is not a successful FCS program.
3) Liberty has not made their current conference successful or prominent...for those playing the home game..they currently play in the Big South.
4) Liberty's president is the son of its' crazy founder. Is Liberty an academic institution or the Falwell families private property.
5) Liberty is a private school
6) Liberty isn't concerned with academic and athletic success. Its concened with evangelism. Much of it unwanted and deeply offensive to many members of the Sun Belt community.
7) Liberty's Law school Dean is currently under investigation by the FBI for conspiracy to commit international child abduction. The rot in their Law School also includes a proponent of human rights abuses against minorities, Matt Barber.
8) Democrats, Liberals, Jews, Athiests, Gays, Muslims etc. are not welcome to contribute to the success of the programs at Liberty. All, including evangelicals contribute at Sun Belt schools. Why invite a discriminatory institution to join us. As a Gay man, I'm not even welcome on campus (and no, I'm not - I'm offended by evangelization - If I'm not welcome AS I am, I'm not welcome period). For the straight members of the Sun Belt, I ask this...Can you imagine the EPIC away game experience at Liberty..."Hey...I think I saw some 'hot ankle' on that coed". And, "I think you can get a drink somewhere in town".
9) They have a loser football coach, undoubtedly chosen not for his ability to coach, but for his 'witnessing ability'.
10) Why invite a school that insults and demeans part of the Sun Belt community? We can do fine with 9 teams.

Ignorance is bliss.. they don't believe in my beliefs so let's belittle them. Liberty is not as controversial as some of you are trying to paint. Sure the leadership has done some things in the past to piss people off. End of story. This is about money and that's what presidents and chancellors see it as. Can't wait for your next hate filled reply

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How about all of you FCS ers let the rest of us clean up the mess first. We know,you are all interested. We can't take you all. But why don't you let us get through this first.

You are like the guys who run to the office of the dude who got fired to see who can grab his red stapler first. Don't start measuring the drapes just yet!

(11-29-2012 08:24 AM)AstroCajun Wrote:  How about all of you FCS ers let the rest of us clean up the mess first. We know,you are all interested. We can't take you all. But why don't you let us get through this first.

You are like the guys who run to the office of the dude who got fired to see who can grab his red stapler first. Don't start measuring the drapes just yet!

The sun belt better not wait around again. The wait and see strategy is not working. Clearly the sun belt would have been better off adding app state and ga southern last spring as we would be a year ahead on transitioning. Now you have to add us anyway with a year lost.

The risk now is that if the Mwc raids cusa and cusa takes 3 or 4 more sun belt teams, then the conference will be in such bad shape app state may not accept a bid and ga southern may then balk as well. If you secure us now, we are stuck.

If the MWC or CUSA raids after we take App St and Ga St.....then there would still be a few teams left out in the cold. Taking anyone now wouldn't prevent that.

(11-29-2012 08:24 AM)AstroCajun Wrote:  How about all of you FCS ers let the rest of us clean up the mess first. We know,you are all interested. We can't take you all. But why don't you let us get through this first.

You are like the guys who run to the office of the dude who got fired to see who can grab his red stapler first. Don't start measuring the drapes just yet!

Fair enough, but don't take too long cleaning up the mess. That dude wasn't fired, he left for a better job and I hear they are still hiring.

(11-29-2012 08:38 AM)maddoctor Wrote:  

(11-29-2012 08:24 AM)AstroCajun Wrote:  How about all of you FCS ers let the rest of us clean up the mess first. We know,you are all interested. We can't take you all. But why don't you let us get through this first.

You are like the guys who run to the office of the dude who got fired to see who can grab his red stapler first. Don't start measuring the drapes just yet!

Fair enough, but don't take too long cleaning up the mess. That dude wasn't fired, he left for a better job and I hear they are still hiring.

And if the company waits around and more people leave, the company may be in such bad shape, there will be no takers.

One of our board members spoke with Benson yesterday. The candidates he mentioned were App St, GA Southern, & NMSU.

(11-29-2012 08:55 AM)indianE Wrote:  One of our board members spoke with Benson yesterday. The candidates he mentioned were App St, GA Southern, & NMSU.

Benson needs to be heard from TODAY!

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I don't think there's any need to rush into anything. I'm sure Benson is aware of what's going on, and what needs to be done.....and I'm not that crazy about him making snap decisions.

Please take time to read this article and don't listen to those who hate from their own agenda soapbox.

NY Times Article

Quote:After football practice on a weekday last month, quarterback Josh Woodrum and wide receiver Pat Kelly acknowledged that playing at Liberty was different from the experience at other Division I programs.

“When a fellow student stops to tell you she’s going to pray for you Saturday, it’s not because she’s worried for your safety,” Kelly, a senior, said with a chuckle. “It’s a good thing.”

Woodrum, a freshman, does not harbor dreams of playing Alabama or Southern California before he leaves Liberty, but he says he expects to see the day when his successors will.

“We have too much to offer college football — a spiritual college environment and a following that could stretch into living rooms everywhere,” he said. “We’ll get there. And, you know, we’ll give them a good game.”

Folks keep trying to paint LU as a negative place. I assure you it is a very upbeat positive place. Is it different that VT or GaSt, or whoever? Yes, it is. So, unfortunately some folks see different and immediately think we are evil.

Liberty is a place where folks are accepted and loved no matter who they are or what they have done. Liberty is a place of second and even third chances. Liberty has come a long way academically and it continues to get better. I think folks seems to have axes to grind and his objectivity is scewed. Yes we are a Christian school, and we are VERY proud of that fact. We do not run from who we are or what we believe.

Liberty already plays and interfaces with a ton of schools who are 100% opposed to what we believe. Some fans of certain Big South schools hate Liberty very much and make it known. Yet the on the court / field experience is just fine. Many of the opposing team players and sometimes even fans choose to meet our players in the middle of the field or court to pray after the game. Noone is beaten over the head with a Bible or dragged into a church or evangelism tent. We are willing to accept folks as they are.

The reality is that Liberty is prepared to enter an FBS conference and willing to meet anyone half way in the process. It is sad that fans of other schools can't put aside their own beliefs long enough to accept us in the same way.

I'm not opposed to a Christian university at all....but I think you guys would fall into the MAC footprint.

(11-29-2012 09:11 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  I'm not opposed to a Christian university at all....but I think you guys would fall into the MAC footprint.

I don't disagree, but is the MAC going to move? I think a lot of us would prefer MAC actually.

How about those 3,000 year old dinosaur bones that were planted by the devil to test our beliefs?

(11-29-2012 09:05 AM)knucklehead Wrote:  Please take time to read this article and don't listen to those who hate from their own agenda soapbox.

NY Times Article

Quote:After football practice on a weekday last month, quarterback Josh Woodrum and wide receiver Pat Kelly acknowledged that playing at Liberty was different from the experience at other Division I programs.

“When a fellow student stops to tell you she’s going to pray for you Saturday, it’s not because she’s worried for your safety,” Kelly, a senior, said with a chuckle. “It’s a good thing.”

Woodrum, a freshman, does not harbor dreams of playing Alabama or Southern California before he leaves Liberty, but he says he expects to see the day when his successors will.

“We have too much to offer college football — a spiritual college environment and a following that could stretch into living rooms everywhere,” he said. “We’ll get there. And, you know, we’ll give them a good game.”

Folks keep trying to paint LU as a negative place. I assure you it is a very upbeat positive place. Is it different that VT or GaSt, or whoever? Yes, it is. So, unfortunately some folks see different and immediately think we are evil.

Liberty is a place where folks are accepted and loved no matter who they are or what they have done. Liberty is a place of second and even third chances. Liberty has come a long way academically and it continues to get better. I think folks seems to have axes to grind and his objectivity is scewed. Yes we are a Christian school, and we are VERY proud of that fact. We do not run from who we are or what we believe.

Liberty already plays and interfaces with a ton of schools who are 100% opposed to what we believe. Some fans of certain Big South schools hate Liberty very much and make it known. Yet the on the court / field experience is just fine. Many of the opposing team players and sometimes even fans choose to meet our players in the middle of the field or court to pray after the game. Noone is beaten over the head with a Bible or dragged into a church or evangelism tent. We are willing to accept folks as they are.

The reality is that Liberty is prepared to enter an FBS conference and willing to meet anyone half way in the process. It is sad that fans of other schools can't put aside their own beliefs long enough to accept us in the same way.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200...lege-dems/

Quote:Childress says she was told by Mark Hine, the vice president of student affairs, that "'You can't be a Democrat and be a Christian and be a university representative.'"

Yup. No matter who you are.

Again, a case of someone taking half of a story from a blog and running with it. It ended up being solved by LU taking all clubs and making them unofficial and not direct representatives of the university. Even then Dem Party Chair Time Kaine was pleased with the outcome. The reality is that when they were and Official arm of the university and alligned with some policied the university doesn't agree with ties had to be cut. But now they can exist, on campus, and be who they are and rep what they want without being a direct rep of LU. Seems fair.

(11-29-2012 08:38 AM)maddoctor Wrote:  

(11-29-2012 08:24 AM)AstroCajun Wrote:  How about all of you FCS ers let the rest of us clean up the mess first. We know,you are all interested. We can't take you all. But why don't you let us get through this first.

You are like the guys who run to the office of the dude who got fired to see who can grab his red stapler first. Don't start measuring the drapes just yet!

Fair enough, but don't take too long cleaning up the mess. That dude wasn't fired, he left for a better job and I hear they are still hiring.

I'm not talking about the conference. They are going to do what they think is in the best interests of the remaining members. I'm hoping my school looks out for its own best interests as well.

But what I'm talking about is this board.

(11-29-2012 09:05 AM)knucklehead Wrote:  Please take time to read this article and don't listen to those who hate from their own agenda soapbox.

NY Times Article

Quote:After football practice on a weekday last month, quarterback Josh Woodrum and wide receiver Pat Kelly acknowledged that playing at Liberty was different from the experience at other Division I programs.

“When a fellow student stops to tell you she’s going to pray for you Saturday, it’s not because she’s worried for your safety,” Kelly, a senior, said with a chuckle. “It’s a good thing.”

Woodrum, a freshman, does not harbor dreams of playing Alabama or Southern California before he leaves Liberty, but he says he expects to see the day when his successors will.

“We have too much to offer college football — a spiritual college environment and a following that could stretch into living rooms everywhere,” he said. “We’ll get there. And, you know, we’ll give them a good game.”

Folks keep trying to paint LU as a negative place. I assure you it is a very upbeat positive place. Is it different that VT or GaSt, or whoever? Yes, it is. So, unfortunately some folks see different and immediately think we are evil.

Liberty is a place where folks are accepted and loved no matter who they are or what they have done. Liberty is a place of second and even third chances. Liberty has come a long way academically and it continues to get better. I think folks seems to have axes to grind and his objectivity is scewed. Yes we are a Christian school, and we are VERY proud of that fact. We do not run from who we are or what we believe.

Liberty already plays and interfaces with a ton of schools who are 100% opposed to what we believe. Some fans of certain Big South schools hate Liberty very much and make it known. Yet the on the court / field experience is just fine. Many of the opposing team players and sometimes even fans choose to meet our players in the middle of the field or court to pray after the game. Noone is beaten over the head with a Bible or dragged into a church or evangelism tent. We are willing to accept folks as they are.

The reality is that Liberty is prepared to enter an FBS conference and willing to meet anyone half way in the process. It is sad that fans of other schools can't put aside their own beliefs long enough to accept us in the same way.

Liberty is ALL about having an agenda. Its even your athletic motto. Not "Champions", but "Champions for Christ". Which would be okay if Liberty's interpretation of "Christ" wasn't an exclusionary reactionary politician.

(11-29-2012 09:40 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-29-2012 09:05 AM)knucklehead Wrote:  Please take time to read this article and don't listen to those who hate from their own agenda soapbox.

NY Times Article

Quote:After football practice on a weekday last month, quarterback Josh Woodrum and wide receiver Pat Kelly acknowledged that playing at Liberty was different from the experience at other Division I programs.

“When a fellow student stops to tell you she’s going to pray for you Saturday, it’s not because she’s worried for your safety,” Kelly, a senior, said with a chuckle. “It’s a good thing.”

Woodrum, a freshman, does not harbor dreams of playing Alabama or Southern California before he leaves Liberty, but he says he expects to see the day when his successors will.

“We have too much to offer college football — a spiritual college environment and a following that could stretch into living rooms everywhere,” he said. “We’ll get there. And, you know, we’ll give them a good game.”

Folks keep trying to paint LU as a negative place. I assure you it is a very upbeat positive place. Is it different that VT or GaSt, or whoever? Yes, it is. So, unfortunately some folks see different and immediately think we are evil.

Liberty is a place where folks are accepted and loved no matter who they are or what they have done. Liberty is a place of second and even third chances. Liberty has come a long way academically and it continues to get better. I think folks seems to have axes to grind and his objectivity is scewed. Yes we are a Christian school, and we are VERY proud of that fact. We do not run from who we are or what we believe.

Liberty already plays and interfaces with a ton of schools who are 100% opposed to what we believe. Some fans of certain Big South schools hate Liberty very much and make it known. Yet the on the court / field experience is just fine. Many of the opposing team players and sometimes even fans choose to meet our players in the middle of the field or court to pray after the game. Noone is beaten over the head with a Bible or dragged into a church or evangelism tent. We are willing to accept folks as they are.

The reality is that Liberty is prepared to enter an FBS conference and willing to meet anyone half way in the process. It is sad that fans of other schools can't put aside their own beliefs long enough to accept us in the same way.

Liberty is ALL about having an agenda. Its even your athletic motto. Not "Champions", but "Champions for Christ". Which would be okay if Liberty's interpretation of "Christ" wasn't an exclusionary reactionary politician.

My biggest fear is the alcohol poisoning they'd suffer if they'd come to Lafayette.

(11-29-2012 09:40 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-29-2012 09:05 AM)knucklehead Wrote:  Please take time to read this article and don't listen to those who hate from their own agenda soapbox.

NY Times Article

Quote:After football practice on a weekday last month, quarterback Josh Woodrum and wide receiver Pat Kelly acknowledged that playing at Liberty was different from the experience at other Division I programs.

“When a fellow student stops to tell you she’s going to pray for you Saturday, it’s not because she’s worried for your safety,” Kelly, a senior, said with a chuckle. “It’s a good thing.”

Woodrum, a freshman, does not harbor dreams of playing Alabama or Southern California before he leaves Liberty, but he says he expects to see the day when his successors will.

“We have too much to offer college football — a spiritual college environment and a following that could stretch into living rooms everywhere,” he said. “We’ll get there. And, you know, we’ll give them a good game.”

Folks keep trying to paint LU as a negative place. I assure you it is a very upbeat positive place. Is it different that VT or GaSt, or whoever? Yes, it is. So, unfortunately some folks see different and immediately think we are evil.

Liberty is a place where folks are accepted and loved no matter who they are or what they have done. Liberty is a place of second and even third chances. Liberty has come a long way academically and it continues to get better. I think folks seems to have axes to grind and his objectivity is scewed. Yes we are a Christian school, and we are VERY proud of that fact. We do not run from who we are or what we believe.

Liberty already plays and interfaces with a ton of schools who are 100% opposed to what we believe. Some fans of certain Big South schools hate Liberty very much and make it known. Yet the on the court / field experience is just fine. Many of the opposing team players and sometimes even fans choose to meet our players in the middle of the field or court to pray after the game. Noone is beaten over the head with a Bible or dragged into a church or evangelism tent. We are willing to accept folks as they are.

The reality is that Liberty is prepared to enter an FBS conference and willing to meet anyone half way in the process. It is sad that fans of other schools can't put aside their own beliefs long enough to accept us in the same way.

Liberty is ALL about having an agenda. Its even your athletic motto. Not "Champions", but "Champions for Christ". Which would be okay if Liberty's interpretation of "Christ" wasn't an exclusionary reactionary politician.

Tom, I'm moving on. I can't keep arguing with someone who is coming from a place of misinformation and distrust. You have your beliefs and I actually respect them. But there is this vibe that we don't belong in the field of FBS Athletics because of our beliefs. If you want to talk about exclusionary, there it is.
From here on out I will only respond to school / athletic questions. the rest is useless at this point.