I think the ACC needs to look at the end game for all of this expansion. The game has changed and it is important that the ACC recognize that other conferences are looking at increasing revenues.
For the B1G conference they are looking at cable subscribers as getting on basic cable will be important to add revenues. Look at Rutgers and Maryland both are prosporous and with a decent population base. I wonder whether the B1G thinks that if they get Syracuse they will be able to get on basic cable in upstate New York and New York City (as they have PSU and Rutgers too). I suspect they will do their studies and come up with a conclusion. As things stand Syracuse would jump at the chance to join the B1G and the increased revenues (especially since Rutgers and PSU are already there).
Of course the B1G would need another team so I guess Virginia would also be in play for the very same reason as Syracuse. It would give them a better hold of the DC market and would possibly enable them to get on basic cable.
I wonder whether the ACC management and/or Notre Dame management are thinking about these scenarios or whether they are going to sit back and see who gets picked off next. I could be wrong but money has been the root cause of all of the re-alignment that has occurred so I do not anticipate it will stop at 14 teams.
I suppose the SEC or Big XII could also expand but since they do not have a cable network they might be less inclined to expand for the reasons the B1G did.

I almost forgot they should give the scenario I stated above to Notre Dame and ask whether they want to reconsider as their "East Coast" access could disappear quickly if Syracuse and/or Virginia left. Hopefully Notre Dame would join to stabilize the ACC otherwise the B1G can pretty much ask who ever they want in the ACC and that school would join the B1G due to the greater revenues.

i dont think notre dame has to join in football to stabilize things .get espn to allow the acc to start an actual acc network during the next 5 years .for espn to allow this offer them a GOR until that point

(11-19-2012 05:45 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  i dont think notre dame has to join in football to stabilize things .get espn to allow the acc to start an actual acc network during the next 5 years .for espn to allow this offer them a GOR until that point

ABC/ESPN absolutely has to be part of the solution. Without there $$$, schools will go to the highest bidder. Screw tradition, screw academic integrity, screw the fans... just show me the $$$$.

(11-19-2012 05:18 PM)ej6687 Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 05:11 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 05:05 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 04:48 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  So the more I think on it, the more I believe it should be Cincy, Louisville, and UConn all. Just go ahead and kill off the Big East so we don't have to hear from them again. Any more defections you add U_F twins. By then a lot of the current schools won't be here. The Big East football schools will be saved from the cluster of a conference they are in now and inherit the Orange Bowl deal. Everyone continues onward and upward. We should stop fighting the change and just embrace the inevitability of it.

If you do that, the ACC becomes Big East 2.0 even more so than it already is, considering we have more than half the original league and a partial Notre Dame already signing on.

I don't think you can avoid it long term though. How long will UVA watch UMD make 20 million more? How long will FSU do the same? I don't think you can keep those with options from leaving. We might as well get a head start with the best basketball conference every thought up for a couple years while we wait for the fallout to take place.

What big TV market is in Virginia that would entice UVa (or VT) to get an invite from the B1G?

VT pulls in DC as well as UMD, then they have Roanoke, Richmond, and Tidewater as well as some in Greensboro, Charlotte, and Raleigh.

(11-19-2012 05:18 PM)ej6687 Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 05:11 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 05:05 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 04:48 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  So the more I think on it, the more I believe it should be Cincy, Louisville, and UConn all. Just go ahead and kill off the Big East so we don't have to hear from them again. Any more defections you add U_F twins. By then a lot of the current schools won't be here. The Big East football schools will be saved from the cluster of a conference they are in now and inherit the Orange Bowl deal. Everyone continues onward and upward. We should stop fighting the change and just embrace the inevitability of it.

If you do that, the ACC becomes Big East 2.0 even more so than it already is, considering we have more than half the original league and a partial Notre Dame already signing on.

I don't think you can avoid it long term though. How long will UVA watch UMD make 20 million more? How long will FSU do the same? I don't think you can keep those with options from leaving. We might as well get a head start with the best basketball conference every thought up for a couple years while we wait for the fallout to take place.

What big TV market is in Virginia that would entice UVa (or VT) to get an invite from the B1G?

DC, Richomnd, and Baltimore (is in the area)

(11-19-2012 05:35 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  I think the ACC needs to look at the end game for all of this expansion. The game has changed and it is important that the ACC recognize that other conferences are looking at increasing revenues.
For the B1G conference they are looking at cable subscribers as getting on basic cable will be important to add revenues. Look at Rutgers and Maryland both are prosporous and with a decent population base. I wonder whether the B1G thinks that if they get Syracuse they will be able to get on basic cable in upstate New York and New York City (as they have PSU and Rutgers too). I suspect they will do their studies and come up with a conclusion. As things stand Syracuse would jump at the chance to join the B1G and the increased revenues (especially since Rutgers and PSU are already there).
Of course the B1G would need another team so I guess Virginia would also be in play for the very same reason as Syracuse. It would give them a better hold of the DC market and would possibly enable them to get on basic cable.
I wonder whether the ACC management and/or Notre Dame management are thinking about these scenarios or whether they are going to sit back and see who gets picked off next. I could be wrong but money has been the root cause of all of the re-alignment that has occurred so I do not anticipate it will stop at 14 teams.
I suppose the SEC or Big XII could also expand but since they do not have a cable network they might be less inclined to expand for the reasons the B1G did.

I hope that the ACC stays together, and I want Syracuse in it, but for arguments sake, it is worth noting that SU has a HUGE fan base in DC and NYC. Adding SU would be the quickest/easiest way of solidifying the B1G's presence in NYC and DC, because SU, PSU, and RU/UMD could very well get on basic cable in both cities. Throw in UVA (or possibly pitt), and DC is absolutely on lock. The other thing about SU is that SU is also followed in Philly and Boston. Adding SU and already having PSU will make Philly a B1G town if it isn't already. As for Boston, I don't think that adding SU will put the BTN on basic cable in Boston. Actually, I am pretty sure that it won't, but it will get some new viewers there, which is good for gaining national exposure. Syracuse also brings elite basketball (something that the B1G is becoming increasingly interested in), and elite lax, which, when combined with UMD, would do wonders for the B1G's effort to start a lax league.

Adding viewers in upstate NY is just the (orange) icing of the (orange) cake that is SU.

Unless ND joins the B1G and the B1G then tries to focus on D.C., I think that SU will be in the next round of expansion.

However, I cannot stress how much more I like being in the ACC than I would the B1G. God, I hope that this conference stays together.

(11-19-2012 07:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 05:35 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  I think the ACC needs to look at the end game for all of this expansion. The game has changed and it is important that the ACC recognize that other conferences are looking at increasing revenues.
For the B1G conference they are looking at cable subscribers as getting on basic cable will be important to add revenues. Look at Rutgers and Maryland both are prosporous and with a decent population base. I wonder whether the B1G thinks that if they get Syracuse they will be able to get on basic cable in upstate New York and New York City (as they have PSU and Rutgers too). I suspect they will do their studies and come up with a conclusion. As things stand Syracuse would jump at the chance to join the B1G and the increased revenues (especially since Rutgers and PSU are already there).
Of course the B1G would need another team so I guess Virginia would also be in play for the very same reason as Syracuse. It would give them a better hold of the DC market and would possibly enable them to get on basic cable.
I wonder whether the ACC management and/or Notre Dame management are thinking about these scenarios or whether they are going to sit back and see who gets picked off next. I could be wrong but money has been the root cause of all of the re-alignment that has occurred so I do not anticipate it will stop at 14 teams.
I suppose the SEC or Big XII could also expand but since they do not have a cable network they might be less inclined to expand for the reasons the B1G did.

I hope that the ACC stays together, and I want Syracuse in it, but for arguments sake, it is worth noting that SU has a HUGE fan base in DC and NYC. Adding SU would be the quickest/easiest way of solidifying the B1G's presence in NYC and DC, because SU, PSU, and RU/UMD could very well get on basic cable in both cities. Throw in UVA (or possibly pitt), and DC is absolutely on lock. The other thing about SU is that SU is also followed in Philly and Boston. Adding SU and already having PSU will make Philly a B1G town if it isn't already. As for Boston, I don't think that adding SU will put the BTN on basic cable in Boston. Actually, I am pretty sure that it won't, but it will get some new viewers there, which is good for gaining national exposure. Syracuse also brings elite basketball (something that the B1G is becoming increasingly interested in), and elite lax, which, when combined with UMD, would do wonders for the B1G's effort to start a lax league.

Adding viewers in upstate NY is just the (orange) icing of the (orange) cake that is SU.

Unless ND joins the B1G and the B1G then tries to focus on D.C., I think that SU will be in the next round of expansion.

However, I cannot stress how much more I like being in the ACC than I would the B1G. God, I hope that this conference stays together.

If you start giving Cuse credit for DC then I guess you might as well count Atlanta and NYC as VT markets

(11-19-2012 07:59 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 07:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 05:35 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  I think the ACC needs to look at the end game for all of this expansion. The game has changed and it is important that the ACC recognize that other conferences are looking at increasing revenues.
For the B1G conference they are looking at cable subscribers as getting on basic cable will be important to add revenues. Look at Rutgers and Maryland both are prosporous and with a decent population base. I wonder whether the B1G thinks that if they get Syracuse they will be able to get on basic cable in upstate New York and New York City (as they have PSU and Rutgers too). I suspect they will do their studies and come up with a conclusion. As things stand Syracuse would jump at the chance to join the B1G and the increased revenues (especially since Rutgers and PSU are already there).
Of course the B1G would need another team so I guess Virginia would also be in play for the very same reason as Syracuse. It would give them a better hold of the DC market and would possibly enable them to get on basic cable.
I wonder whether the ACC management and/or Notre Dame management are thinking about these scenarios or whether they are going to sit back and see who gets picked off next. I could be wrong but money has been the root cause of all of the re-alignment that has occurred so I do not anticipate it will stop at 14 teams.
I suppose the SEC or Big XII could also expand but since they do not have a cable network they might be less inclined to expand for the reasons the B1G did.

I hope that the ACC stays together, and I want Syracuse in it, but for arguments sake, it is worth noting that SU has a HUGE fan base in DC and NYC. Adding SU would be the quickest/easiest way of solidifying the B1G's presence in NYC and DC, because SU, PSU, and RU/UMD could very well get on basic cable in both cities. Throw in UVA (or possibly pitt), and DC is absolutely on lock. The other thing about SU is that SU is also followed in Philly and Boston. Adding SU and already having PSU will make Philly a B1G town if it isn't already. As for Boston, I don't think that adding SU will put the BTN on basic cable in Boston. Actually, I am pretty sure that it won't, but it will get some new viewers there, which is good for gaining national exposure. Syracuse also brings elite basketball (something that the B1G is becoming increasingly interested in), and elite lax, which, when combined with UMD, would do wonders for the B1G's effort to start a lax league.

Adding viewers in upstate NY is just the (orange) icing of the (orange) cake that is SU.

Unless ND joins the B1G and the B1G then tries to focus on D.C., I think that SU will be in the next round of expansion.

However, I cannot stress how much more I like being in the ACC than I would the B1G. God, I hope that this conference stays together.

If you start giving Cuse credit for DC then I guess you might as well count Atlanta and NYC as VT markets

Go to a SU v. Georgetown game and tell me that there aren't Syracuse fans in DC. GU actually restricts ticket sales, because we would flood the Verizon Center with orange. SU also has a strong following in NYC. Go to the BE tourney/STJ games/the Pinstripe Bowl if you don't believe me.

However, we have nothing in the ATL. I would be suprised if the average Georgian could find Syracuse on a map.

(11-19-2012 08:08 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 07:59 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 07:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 05:35 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  I think the ACC needs to look at the end game for all of this expansion. The game has changed and it is important that the ACC recognize that other conferences are looking at increasing revenues.
For the B1G conference they are looking at cable subscribers as getting on basic cable will be important to add revenues. Look at Rutgers and Maryland both are prosporous and with a decent population base. I wonder whether the B1G thinks that if they get Syracuse they will be able to get on basic cable in upstate New York and New York City (as they have PSU and Rutgers too). I suspect they will do their studies and come up with a conclusion. As things stand Syracuse would jump at the chance to join the B1G and the increased revenues (especially since Rutgers and PSU are already there).
Of course the B1G would need another team so I guess Virginia would also be in play for the very same reason as Syracuse. It would give them a better hold of the DC market and would possibly enable them to get on basic cable.
I wonder whether the ACC management and/or Notre Dame management are thinking about these scenarios or whether they are going to sit back and see who gets picked off next. I could be wrong but money has been the root cause of all of the re-alignment that has occurred so I do not anticipate it will stop at 14 teams.
I suppose the SEC or Big XII could also expand but since they do not have a cable network they might be less inclined to expand for the reasons the B1G did.

I hope that the ACC stays together, and I want Syracuse in it, but for arguments sake, it is worth noting that SU has a HUGE fan base in DC and NYC. Adding SU would be the quickest/easiest way of solidifying the B1G's presence in NYC and DC, because SU, PSU, and RU/UMD could very well get on basic cable in both cities. Throw in UVA (or possibly pitt), and DC is absolutely on lock. The other thing about SU is that SU is also followed in Philly and Boston. Adding SU and already having PSU will make Philly a B1G town if it isn't already. As for Boston, I don't think that adding SU will put the BTN on basic cable in Boston. Actually, I am pretty sure that it won't, but it will get some new viewers there, which is good for gaining national exposure. Syracuse also brings elite basketball (something that the B1G is becoming increasingly interested in), and elite lax, which, when combined with UMD, would do wonders for the B1G's effort to start a lax league.

Adding viewers in upstate NY is just the (orange) icing of the (orange) cake that is SU.

Unless ND joins the B1G and the B1G then tries to focus on D.C., I think that SU will be in the next round of expansion.

However, I cannot stress how much more I like being in the ACC than I would the B1G. God, I hope that this conference stays together.

If you start giving Cuse credit for DC then I guess you might as well count Atlanta and NYC as VT markets

Go to a SU v. Georgetown game and tell me that there aren't Syracuse fans in DC. GU actually restricts ticket sales, because we would flood the Verizon Center with orange. SU also has a strong following in NYC. Go to the BE tourney/STJ games/the Pinstripe Bowl if you don't believe me.

However, we have nothing in the ATL. I would be suprised if the average Georgian could find Syracuse on a map.

I'm sure the ones in Atlanta would but not so sure in Athens !

(11-19-2012 05:08 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Div 1
UVA
VT
Duke
UNC
NCSU

Div 2
Miami
FSU
GT
Clemson
Wake

Div A
Pitt
Cuse
BC

Div B
UConn
Louisville
Cincy

Swap divisions A and B between divisions 1 and 2 every other year and div 1 and 2 play two of each other each year while div a and b do the same for 9 conference games.

LOL so we have the in crowd and them? (plugging nose and pointing at Div A + B unwashed hired help)

(11-19-2012 07:59 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 07:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 05:35 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  I think the ACC needs to look at the end game for all of this expansion. The game has changed and it is important that the ACC recognize that other conferences are looking at increasing revenues.
For the B1G conference they are looking at cable subscribers as getting on basic cable will be important to add revenues. Look at Rutgers and Maryland both are prosporous and with a decent population base. I wonder whether the B1G thinks that if they get Syracuse they will be able to get on basic cable in upstate New York and New York City (as they have PSU and Rutgers too). I suspect they will do their studies and come up with a conclusion. As things stand Syracuse would jump at the chance to join the B1G and the increased revenues (especially since Rutgers and PSU are already there).
Of course the B1G would need another team so I guess Virginia would also be in play for the very same reason as Syracuse. It would give them a better hold of the DC market and would possibly enable them to get on basic cable.
I wonder whether the ACC management and/or Notre Dame management are thinking about these scenarios or whether they are going to sit back and see who gets picked off next. I could be wrong but money has been the root cause of all of the re-alignment that has occurred so I do not anticipate it will stop at 14 teams.
I suppose the SEC or Big XII could also expand but since they do not have a cable network they might be less inclined to expand for the reasons the B1G did.

I hope that the ACC stays together, and I want Syracuse in it, but for arguments sake, it is worth noting that SU has a HUGE fan base in DC and NYC. Adding SU would be the quickest/easiest way of solidifying the B1G's presence in NYC and DC, because SU, PSU, and RU/UMD could very well get on basic cable in both cities. Throw in UVA (or possibly pitt), and DC is absolutely on lock. The other thing about SU is that SU is also followed in Philly and Boston. Adding SU and already having PSU will make Philly a B1G town if it isn't already. As for Boston, I don't think that adding SU will put the BTN on basic cable in Boston. Actually, I am pretty sure that it won't, but it will get some new viewers there, which is good for gaining national exposure. Syracuse also brings elite basketball (something that the B1G is becoming increasingly interested in), and elite lax, which, when combined with UMD, would do wonders for the B1G's effort to start a lax league.

Adding viewers in upstate NY is just the (orange) icing of the (orange) cake that is SU.

Unless ND joins the B1G and the B1G then tries to focus on D.C., I think that SU will be in the next round of expansion.

However, I cannot stress how much more I like being in the ACC than I would the B1G. God, I hope that this conference stays together.

If you start giving Cuse credit for DC then I guess you might as well count Atlanta and NYC as VT markets

I agree my Orange Friend overstates our importance in DC...do we have a sizable group of alumni and Upstate NY transplants? Sure...but UVA, VTech and UMD along with PSU have much more.

(11-19-2012 08:34 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I agree my Orange Friend overstates our importance in DC...do we have a sizable group of alumni and Upstate NY transplants? Sure...but UVA, VTech and UMD along with PSU have much more.

Here were my exact words:
"SU, PSU, and RU/UMD could very well get on basic cable in both cities. Throw in UVA (or possibly pitt), and DC is absolutely on lock."

I never said that VTech, UVA, PSU, and UMD did't have more fans in DC. In fact, the only thing that I said was roughly "we have a sizable group of alumni and Upstate NY transplants." SU won't deliver DC. SU will help PSU, UMD, and UVA/VPI deliver DC. SU won't deliver NYC (nobody can). SU will help RU and PSU. If you are trying to get on basic cable in those cities, then the only school not named ND that can single-handedly make a tangible difference is SU. Given that I think that the B1G wants the BTN to be on the best cable package available in those cities, and given that I know RU can't delive NYC (not a fault of RU - NYC is just HUGE), and given that UMD may very well not be able to deliver DC (I really don't know), then I would imagine SU is high up on the B1G add list, along with UVA (I think that they fit the B1G better than VTech). SU, RU, and PSU has a realistic chance of delivering NYC, and SU, PSU, UMD, and UVA/VPI would absolutely lock up DC.

Uconn & Louisville should get invited no matter what. Louisville satifies both fball&Bball schools. Uconn"s all around athletic program & location near NYC can be a strategic allay. Now where we need to stray a little is by inviting Navy as a football only member. since N dame plans to play them every year that would give the ACC 50% of their schedule& # 3 national games to it's TV deal yearly. Navy keeps the ACC in DC & their fans will travel to alot of places witin the footprint plus this is a close as you can get to having N. Dame as a full member. if they change their mind in the future we can always add UC, Temple or who ever to make it work

Chasing TV markets is a mistake because the ACC doesn't get paid by the cable customer like the Big Ten does.

Chasing teams to "bring in" Notre Dame is a mistake because they are not joining for football.

The most successful strategy that you can find is to go for the teams with the biggest followings. That would be Notre Dame #1 (partial), then Louisville, then a big drop off. UConn and Cincinnati are probably very close, with the former having more basketball fans but the later having more football fans; neither is even close to Louisville, however.

2012 FOOTBALL ATTENDANCE (AVERAGE)
(potential expansion teams highlighted):

BIG EAST
Louisville 52,091
South Fla. 51,629
Rutgers 50,863
Pittsburgh 41,774
Syracuse 37,579
Connecticut 34,713
Cincinnati 31,924
Temple 27,276

CONFERENCE USA
East Carolina 48,420
UCF 36,165
UTEP 35,714
Houston 28,942
Marshall 28,647
Memphis 28,007
Southern Miss. 27,656
SMU 26,858
Tulane 24,345
Tulsa 20,418
UAB 19,340
Rice 18,655

(11-19-2012 09:05 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Chasing TV markets is a mistake because the ACC doesn't get paid by the cable customer like the Big Ten does.

Chasing teams to "bring in" Notre Dame is a mistake because they are not joining for football.

The most successful strategy that you can find is to go for the teams with the biggest followings. That would be Notre Dame #1 (partial), then Louisville, then a big drop off. UConn and Cincinnati are probably very close, with the former having more basketball fans but the later having more football fans; neither is even close to Louisville, however.

2012 FOOTBALL ATTENDANCE (AVERAGE)
(potential expansion teams highlighted):

BIG EAST
Louisville 52,091
South Fla. 51,629
Rutgers 50,863
Pittsburgh 41,774
Syracuse 37,579
Connecticut 34,713
Cincinnati 31,924
Temple 27,276

CONFERENCE USA
East Carolina 48,420
UCF 36,165
UTEP 35,714
Houston 28,942
Marshall 28,647
Memphis 28,007
Southern Miss. 27,656
SMU 26,858
Tulane 24,345
Tulsa 20,418
UAB 19,340
Rice 18,655

South Florida's actually attendance is around 30-31K

(11-19-2012 08:43 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 08:34 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I agree my Orange Friend overstates our importance in DC...do we have a sizable group of alumni and Upstate NY transplants? Sure...but UVA, VTech and UMD along with PSU have much more.

Here were my exact words:
"SU, PSU, and RU/UMD could very well get on basic cable in both cities. Throw in UVA (or possibly pitt), and DC is absolutely on lock."

I never said that VTech, UVA, PSU, and UMD did't have more fans in DC. In fact, the only thing that I said was roughly "we have a sizable group of alumni and Upstate NY transplants." SU won't deliver DC. SU will help PSU, UMD, and UVA/VPI deliver DC. SU won't deliver NYC (nobody can). SU will help RU and PSU. If you are trying to get on basic cable in those cities, then the only school not named ND that can single-handedly make a tangible difference is SU. Given that I think that the B1G wants the BTN to be on the best cable package available in those cities, and given that I know RU can't delive NYC (not a fault of RU - NYC is just HUGE), and given that UMD may very well not be able to deliver DC (I really don't know), then I would imagine SU is high up on the B1G add list, along with UVA (I think that they fit the B1G better than VTech). SU, RU, and PSU has a realistic chance of delivering NYC, and SU, PSU, UMD, and UVA/VPI would absolutely lock up DC.

It should be interesting to see what happens. The good news is that Syracuse might be in a good position if the B1G decides they need to get on the cable network listing in New York city. They already have Maryland, Rutgers, PSU so adding Syracuse may be enough to push them over the top and get on the cable listings in New York city.
I think any of Uconn, Louisville or Cincinnati would be fine to join the ACC. All of them have their pluses and minuses. Personally, I had wished the ACC had already offered Rutgers but I guess the ACC did not see the benefits whereas the B1G did see the benefits of capturing a market like New Jersey.
Not sure the Big XII is finished expanding though as they are going to hit a huge TV deal in a few years.

(11-19-2012 11:31 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 08:43 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 08:34 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I agree my Orange Friend overstates our importance in DC...do we have a sizable group of alumni and Upstate NY transplants? Sure...but UVA, VTech and UMD along with PSU have much more.

Here were my exact words:
"SU, PSU, and RU/UMD could very well get on basic cable in both cities. Throw in UVA (or possibly pitt), and DC is absolutely on lock."

I never said that VTech, UVA, PSU, and UMD did't have more fans in DC. In fact, the only thing that I said was roughly "we have a sizable group of alumni and Upstate NY transplants." SU won't deliver DC. SU will help PSU, UMD, and UVA/VPI deliver DC. SU won't deliver NYC (nobody can). SU will help RU and PSU. If you are trying to get on basic cable in those cities, then the only school not named ND that can single-handedly make a tangible difference is SU. Given that I think that the B1G wants the BTN to be on the best cable package available in those cities, and given that I know RU can't delive NYC (not a fault of RU - NYC is just HUGE), and given that UMD may very well not be able to deliver DC (I really don't know), then I would imagine SU is high up on the B1G add list, along with UVA (I think that they fit the B1G better than VTech). SU, RU, and PSU has a realistic chance of delivering NYC, and SU, PSU, UMD, and UVA/VPI would absolutely lock up DC.

It should be interesting to see what happens. The good news is that Syracuse might be in a good position if the B1G decides they need to get on the cable network listing in New York city. They already have Maryland, Rutgers, PSU so adding Syracuse may be enough to push them over the top and get on the cable listings in New York city.
I think any of Uconn, Louisville or Cincinnati would be fine to join the ACC. All of them have their pluses and minuses. Personally, I had wished the ACC had already offered Rutgers but I guess the ACC did not see the benefits whereas the B1G did see the benefits of capturing a market like New Jersey.
Not sure the Big XII is finished expanding though as they are going to hit a huge TV deal in a few years.

Everyone already has ESPN, which means that ESPN only cares about the number of people who watch the channel, because more viewers means that they can charge more for commercials. Since the ACC had (and still has) an exclusive deal with ESPN, they wanted to add schools that would attract viewers, so when they renegotiated, they could get a premium from ESPN. Syracuse and Pitt make for more attractive TV than Rutgers, so SU and Pitt got the nod over RU. (This isn't a shot at RU, SU and Pitt just schedule better OOC games, and have a more balanced athletic dept.)

Not everyone has the BTN, so in addition to caring about attracting viewers, the B1G cares about attracting new subscribers. However, beyond that, if the B1G can generate enough interest in a specific area to create a critical mass, then their channel will make basic cable, which will essentially auto-enroll people, and the BTN will be able to collect significantly increased carriage fees.

The B1G is gambling that RU has enough fans in NYC to put the BTN on basic cable for the NY metro area.

I don't think that RU would have been a great pickup for the ACC.

I could see the BTN / Pac12Network model collapse if cable tv reform goes the way I think it will - toward "a la carte" pricing. In that case there will be no more "basic cable", and even ESPN will be competing for cable subscribers (note: I think ESPN would get the nod over BTN every time).

(11-20-2012 08:03 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I could see the BTN / Pac12Network model collapse if cable tv reform goes the way I think it will - toward "a la carte" pricing. In that case there will be no more "basic cable", and even ESPN will be competing for cable subscribers (note: I think ESPN would get the nod over BTN every time).

I think its going to go on the internet for free thanks to tech pirates in China, and everyone without a guarenteed contracts is going to be left w/o pants.

Seriously though, I agree.