Food for though:

Assume that the B1G gets GT and UMD, so the ACC is down to 12 teams + ND

The ACC allows for unequal revenue sharing, gets ESPN's blessing, and invites Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State.

Given that ESPN and Texas joint own the LHN, there would be no issue with dealing with that, and given that 40% of the Big XII would be leaving, the GOR would be on the verge of being viod. ESPN could then pressure the SEC into taking KU and KSU, which the SEC might do, because they both make serious cash, and they would do wonders for the SEC TV package as a whole. The SEC is already elite in football, and adding KU and KSU would make the SEC elite in basketball, which would give them the power to sell high quality programming all year long (KU v. UK, KSU v. KU, KSU v. UK, KSU v. Arkansas, KU v. Arkansas, MIZZOU v. KU, and MIZZOU v. KSU would make some great TV). That would knock the Big XII down to ISU, TCU, Baylor, and WVU, which is not enough to sustain the conference (GOR is now void). Anyway, there is a legit chance that the B1G and the Pac might expand to 16 as well, which would finish off the Big XII completely. I can see the B1G taking WVU and either ISU, Rutgers, or UL (depending on Iowa politics). I can also see the Pac taking BYU, TCU, Baylor, and BSU.

The ACC could then add Georgetown as a non-football member to balance ND.

The ACC could then break into 4 pods:

SOUTHWEST (SW)

Texas, Texas Tech, OSU, and Oklahoma

SOUTHEAST (SE)

FSU, Miami, Clemson, and WF/NC ST

ATLANTIC (ATL)

WF/NC ST, UNC, Duke, VTech

NORTHEAST (NE)

Pitt, SU, UVA, and BC

*Each school would then play its division, a crossover, and ND once every 3 years

*The ATL and the SE would play a division championship game in the Orange Bowl (giving the SE team an advantage)

*The NE and the SW would play a division championship game in the Cotton Bowl (giving the SW team an advantage)

*The Conference Championship game would be played in Charlotte

*Everyone plays each other once in basketball, and everyone plays a cross-over partner every year for an 18 game schedule.

**ESPN might go along, because it would give them an extra chance to secure more rights to Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State games

**The Big XII schools might go along with this, because it could result in more revenue. In essence, the division playoff games, the conference championship games, MUCH better basketball (lose Kansas but gain Pitt, SU, Duke, and UNC), and a trade of Baylor, TCU, WVU, and ISU for the ACC (plus ND every 3 years - ND would add the games, because they would get more big name teams, and a national schedule) could very well result in more money. Also, not that they would care a HUGE amount, but they would also see an academic benefit.

**Since the Champions Bowl would be kicked, then the SEC and the ACC could negotiate for the Sugar Bowl for the top-rated team, and the ACC and B1G could negotiate the OB to be the second-rated team from each conference. The Rose Bowl would still be the top B1G team and the top Pac-12 team. The Pac-12 would then be stuck picking up an access for its #2 team, and the "at-large" teams could be completely blocked from access to the system, unless they make the "Football Four"

and yes, i know this is crazy, and ends with the college equal to thermonuclear war, but i called the thread the "Hail Mary Option" for a reason.

(11-19-2012 12:51 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  Food for though:

Assume that the B1G gets GT and UMD, so the ACC is down to 12 teams + ND

The ACC allows for unequal revenue sharing, gets ESPN's blessing, and invites Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State.

Given that ESPN and Texas joint own the LHN, there would be no issue with dealing with that, and given that 40% of the Big XII would be leaving, the GOR would be on the verge of being viod. ESPN could then pressure the SEC into taking KU and KSU, which the SEC might do, because they both make serious cash, and they would do wonders for the SEC TV package as a whole. The SEC is already elite in football, and adding KU and KSU would make the SEC elite in basketball, which would give them the power to sell high quality programming all year long (KU v. UK, KSU v. KU, KSU v. UK, KSU v. Arkansas, KU v. Arkansas, MIZZOU v. KU, and MIZZOU v. KSU would make some great TV). That would knock the Big XII down to ISU, TCU, Baylor, and WVU, which is not enough to sustain the conference (GOR is now void). Anyway, there is a legit chance that the B1G and the Pac might expand to 16 as well, which would finish off the Big XII completely. I can see the B1G taking WVU and either ISU, Rutgers, or UL (depending on Iowa politics). I can also see the Pac taking BYU, TCU, Baylor, and BSU.

The ACC could then add Georgetown as a non-football member to balance ND.

The ACC could then break into 4 pods:

SOUTHWEST (SW)

Texas, Texas Tech, OSU, and Oklahoma

SOUTHEAST (SE)

FSU, Miami, Clemson, and WF/NC ST

ATLANTIC (ATL)

WF/NC ST, UNC, Duke, VTech

NORTHEAST (NE)

Pitt, SU, UVA, and BC

*Each school would then play its division, a crossover, and ND once every 3 years

*The ATL and the SE would play a division championship game in the Orange Bowl (giving the SE team an advantage)

*The NE and the SW would play a division championship game in the Cotton Bowl (giving the SW team an advantage)

*The Conference Championship game would be played in Charlotte

*Everyone plays each other once in basketball, and everyone plays a cross-over partner every year for an 18 game schedule.

**ESPN might go along, because it would give them an extra chance to secure more rights to Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State games

**The Big XII schools might go along with this, because it could result in more revenue. In essence, the division playoff games, the conference championship games, MUCH better basketball (lose Kansas but gain Pitt, SU, Duke, and UNC), and a trade of Baylor, TCU, WVU, and ISU for the ACC (plus ND every 3 years - ND would add the games, because they would get more big name teams, and a national schedule) could very well result in more money. Also, not that they would care a HUGE amount, but they would also see an academic benefit.

**Since the Champions Bowl would be kicked, then the SEC and the ACC could negotiate for the Sugar Bowl for the top-rated team, and the ACC and B1G could negotiate the OB to be the second-rated team from each conference. The Rose Bowl would still be the top B1G team and the top Pac-12 team. The Pac-12 would then be stuck picking up an access for its #2 team, and the "at-large" teams could be completely blocked from access to the system, unless they make the "Football Four"

and yes, i know this is crazy, and ends with the college equal to thermonuclear war, but i called the thread the "Hail Mary Option" for a reason.

CROSSOVER PARTNERS:

GROUP ONE

Texas, FSU, UNC, and BC

GROUP TWO

OU, Clemson, NC ST, and Pitt

GROUP THREE

OSU, Miami, Duke, and SU

GROUP FOUR

Texas Tech, WF, VTech, and UVA


BASKETBALL PARTNERS

TEXAS-Texas Tech
Duke-UNC
VTech-UVA
OU-OSU
Miami-FSU
NC ST-WF
BC-ND
Pitt-Clemson
SU-Georgetown

(11-19-2012 01:04 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 12:51 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  Food for though:

Assume that the B1G gets GT and UMD, so the ACC is down to 12 teams + ND

The ACC allows for unequal revenue sharing, gets ESPN's blessing, and invites Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State.

Given that ESPN and Texas joint own the LHN, there would be no issue with dealing with that, and given that 40% of the Big XII would be leaving, the GOR would be on the verge of being viod. ESPN could then pressure the SEC into taking KU and KSU, which the SEC might do, because they both make serious cash, and they would do wonders for the SEC TV package as a whole. The SEC is already elite in football, and adding KU and KSU would make the SEC elite in basketball, which would give them the power to sell high quality programming all year long (KU v. UK, KSU v. KU, KSU v. UK, KSU v. Arkansas, KU v. Arkansas, MIZZOU v. KU, and MIZZOU v. KSU would make some great TV). That would knock the Big XII down to ISU, TCU, Baylor, and WVU, which is not enough to sustain the conference (GOR is now void). Anyway, there is a legit chance that the B1G and the Pac might expand to 16 as well, which would finish off the Big XII completely. I can see the B1G taking WVU and either ISU, Rutgers, or UL (depending on Iowa politics). I can also see the Pac taking BYU, TCU, Baylor, and BSU.

The ACC could then add Georgetown as a non-football member to balance ND.

The ACC could then break into 4 pods:

SOUTHWEST (SW)

Texas, Texas Tech, OSU, and Oklahoma

SOUTHEAST (SE)

FSU, Miami, Clemson, and WF/NC ST

ATLANTIC (ATL)

WF/NC ST, UNC, Duke, VTech

NORTHEAST (NE)

Pitt, SU, UVA, and BC

*Each school would then play its division, a crossover, and ND once every 3 years

*The ATL and the SE would play a division championship game in the Orange Bowl (giving the SE team an advantage)

*The NE and the SW would play a division championship game in the Cotton Bowl (giving the SW team an advantage)

*The Conference Championship game would be played in Charlotte

*Everyone plays each other once in basketball, and everyone plays a cross-over partner every year for an 18 game schedule.

**ESPN might go along, because it would give them an extra chance to secure more rights to Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State games

**The Big XII schools might go along with this, because it could result in more revenue. In essence, the division playoff games, the conference championship games, MUCH better basketball (lose Kansas but gain Pitt, SU, Duke, and UNC), and a trade of Baylor, TCU, WVU, and ISU for the ACC (plus ND every 3 years - ND would add the games, because they would get more big name teams, and a national schedule) could very well result in more money. Also, not that they would care a HUGE amount, but they would also see an academic benefit.

**Since the Champions Bowl would be kicked, then the SEC and the ACC could negotiate for the Sugar Bowl for the top-rated team, and the ACC and B1G could negotiate the OB to be the second-rated team from each conference. The Rose Bowl would still be the top B1G team and the top Pac-12 team. The Pac-12 would then be stuck picking up an access for its #2 team, and the "at-large" teams could be completely blocked from access to the system, unless they make the "Football Four"

and yes, i know this is crazy, and ends with the college equal to thermonuclear war, but i called the thread the "Hail Mary Option" for a reason.

CROSSOVER PARTNERS:

GROUP ONE

Texas, FSU, UNC, and BC

GROUP TWO

OU, Clemson, NC ST, and Pitt

GROUP THREE

OSU, Miami, Duke, and SU

GROUP FOUR

Texas Tech, WF, VTech, and UVA


BASKETBALL PARTNERS

TEXAS-Texas Tech
Duke-UNC
VTech-UVA
OU-OSU
Miami-FSU
NC ST-WF
BC-ND
Pitt-Clemson
SU-Georgetown

That is a Hail Mary, recovered onsite kick, and then a half court three pointer at the buzzer.

fantasy Island. Da plane Da plane.

There's no way we could get the Texahoma 4 but the ACC could jump to 16 if ESPN wanted to help since they're essentially going to end up have to contend with the B1G since Fox will probably get an exclusive deal in 2017 considering they own the BTN.

Destabilize the Big XII by removing LHN, convince Texas to go eastward rather than westward while taking UConn & Louisville as #14-16 & taking Georgetown as non-football member to get back into the DC market.

16 in football, 18 in basketball

Somewhat proposed divisions(Not in stone, probably would break up the NC 4)
1 - BC, Pitt, Syr, UConn
2 - Mia, GT, FSU, Texas
3 - Clem, VT, UVA, Louisville
4 - Wake, UNC, Duke, NC St.

The Big XII would be up for grabs considering Fox and ESPN co-own the rights and if they didn't want to work together anymore then a possible schism could occur. If a schism happened then both networks' conferences could benefit by letting the B1G take it's pick of Kansas & Co. while OU, OK St., TCU/Baylor, TT jump to the Pac-12.

So the Big XII would be possibly broken into pieces as such:
Texas - ACC
OU - Pac
TT - Pac
OK St. - Pac
Baylor - Pac/SEC
TCU - Pac/BE/MWC
WVU - SEC
Kansas - B1G
Kansas St. - B1G/SEC
Iowa St. - B1G/BE

Result - ACC, B1G, SEC, and the Pac would become 16 team conferences and would end any realignment for a long time.......

Of course it's not that realistic but it's a lot more realistic than taking the Texahoma 4.

I don't think Swofford is smart enough to get that done, even if it were an option, which I think is la-la land. If the Big 12 fell apart, no way Big Ten takes WVU, as they don't fit the academic model. They would either be SEC or back to the Big East. In any scenario of one of the big 5 failing, it saves the Big East.

(11-19-2012 08:08 AM)wildthing202 Wrote:  There's no way we could get the Texahoma 4 but the ACC could jump to 16 if ESPN wanted to help since they're essentially going to end up have to contend with the B1G since Fox will probably get an exclusive deal in 2017 considering they own the BTN.

Destabilize the Big XII by removing LHN, convince Texas to go eastward rather than westward while taking UConn & Louisville as #14-16 & taking Georgetown as non-football member to get back into the DC market.

16 in football, 18 in basketball

Somewhat proposed divisions(Not in stone, probably would break up the NC 4)
1 - BC, Pitt, Syr, UConn
2 - Mia, GT, FSU, Texas
3 - Clem, VT, UVA, Louisville
4 - Wake, UNC, Duke, NC St.

The Big XII would be up for grabs considering Fox and ESPN co-own the rights and if they didn't want to work together anymore then a possible schism could occur. If a schism happened then both networks' conferences could benefit by letting the B1G take it's pick of Kansas & Co. while OU, OK St., TCU/Baylor, TT jump to the Pac-12.

So the Big XII would be possibly broken into pieces as such:
Texas - ACC
OU - Pac
TT - Pac
OK St. - Pac
Baylor - Pac/SEC
TCU - Pac/BE/MWC
WVU - SEC
Kansas - B1G
Kansas St. - B1G/SEC
Iowa St. - B1G/BE

Result - ACC, B1G, SEC, and the Pac would become 16 team conferences and would end any realignment for a long time.......

Of course it's not that realistic but it's a lot more realistic than taking the Texahoma 4.

Texas-Texas Tech are a package, and OU-OSU are a package, and OU-Texas are a package. Splitting them isn't going to happen.

(11-19-2012 01:21 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 08:08 AM)wildthing202 Wrote:  There's no way we could get the Texahoma 4 but the ACC could jump to 16 if ESPN wanted to help since they're essentially going to end up have to contend with the B1G since Fox will probably get an exclusive deal in 2017 considering they own the BTN.

Destabilize the Big XII by removing LHN, convince Texas to go eastward rather than westward while taking UConn & Louisville as #14-16 & taking Georgetown as non-football member to get back into the DC market.

16 in football, 18 in basketball

Somewhat proposed divisions(Not in stone, probably would break up the NC 4)
1 - BC, Pitt, Syr, UConn
2 - Mia, GT, FSU, Texas
3 - Clem, VT, UVA, Louisville
4 - Wake, UNC, Duke, NC St.

The Big XII would be up for grabs considering Fox and ESPN co-own the rights and if they didn't want to work together anymore then a possible schism could occur. If a schism happened then both networks' conferences could benefit by letting the B1G take it's pick of Kansas & Co. while OU, OK St., TCU/Baylor, TT jump to the Pac-12.

So the Big XII would be possibly broken into pieces as such:
Texas - ACC
OU - Pac
TT - Pac
OK St. - Pac
Baylor - Pac/SEC
TCU - Pac/BE/MWC
WVU - SEC
Kansas - B1G
Kansas St. - B1G/SEC
Iowa St. - B1G/BE

Result - ACC, B1G, SEC, and the Pac would become 16 team conferences and would end any realignment for a long time.......

Of course it's not that realistic but it's a lot more realistic than taking the Texahoma 4.

Texas-Texas Tech are a package, and OU-OSU are a package, and OU-Texas are a package. Splitting them isn't going to happen.

Just to be clear I get Texas-TT but OU-Texas isn't a package. It's already been proven multiple times when OU was looking at the SEC & Pac without Texas and when Texas was looking at the ACC without OU.

At the end of the day the schools are going to look out for themselves before they start worrying about the ball & chain.

(11-19-2012 06:11 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 01:21 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 08:08 AM)wildthing202 Wrote:  There's no way we could get the Texahoma 4 but the ACC could jump to 16 if ESPN wanted to help since they're essentially going to end up have to contend with the B1G since Fox will probably get an exclusive deal in 2017 considering they own the BTN.

Destabilize the Big XII by removing LHN, convince Texas to go eastward rather than westward while taking UConn & Louisville as #14-16 & taking Georgetown as non-football member to get back into the DC market.

16 in football, 18 in basketball

Somewhat proposed divisions(Not in stone, probably would break up the NC 4)
1 - BC, Pitt, Syr, UConn
2 - Mia, GT, FSU, Texas
3 - Clem, VT, UVA, Louisville
4 - Wake, UNC, Duke, NC St.

The Big XII would be up for grabs considering Fox and ESPN co-own the rights and if they didn't want to work together anymore then a possible schism could occur. If a schism happened then both networks' conferences could benefit by letting the B1G take it's pick of Kansas & Co. while OU, OK St., TCU/Baylor, TT jump to the Pac-12.

So the Big XII would be possibly broken into pieces as such:
Texas - ACC
OU - Pac
TT - Pac
OK St. - Pac
Baylor - Pac/SEC
TCU - Pac/BE/MWC
WVU - SEC
Kansas - B1G
Kansas St. - B1G/SEC
Iowa St. - B1G/BE

Result - ACC, B1G, SEC, and the Pac would become 16 team conferences and would end any realignment for a long time.......

Of course it's not that realistic but it's a lot more realistic than taking the Texahoma 4.

Texas-Texas Tech are a package, and OU-OSU are a package, and OU-Texas are a package. Splitting them isn't going to happen.

Just to be clear I get Texas-TT but OU-Texas isn't a package. It's already been proven multiple times when OU was looking at the SEC & Pac without Texas and when Texas was looking at the ACC without OU.

At the end of the day the schools are going to look out for themselves before they start worrying about the ball & chain.

Texas-OU absolutely is a package. That's why they stayed. The amount of money that those two schools make of each other is phenominal. Unless someone can match that, being a package is in their best interest. This isn't just a ball and chain. This is a ball and chain that is attached to a broken ATM machine that keeps shooing out bills.

(11-19-2012 07:22 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 06:11 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 01:21 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 08:08 AM)wildthing202 Wrote:  There's no way we could get the Texahoma 4 but the ACC could jump to 16 if ESPN wanted to help since they're essentially going to end up have to contend with the B1G since Fox will probably get an exclusive deal in 2017 considering they own the BTN.

Destabilize the Big XII by removing LHN, convince Texas to go eastward rather than westward while taking UConn & Louisville as #14-16 & taking Georgetown as non-football member to get back into the DC market.

16 in football, 18 in basketball

Somewhat proposed divisions(Not in stone, probably would break up the NC 4)
1 - BC, Pitt, Syr, UConn
2 - Mia, GT, FSU, Texas
3 - Clem, VT, UVA, Louisville
4 - Wake, UNC, Duke, NC St.

The Big XII would be up for grabs considering Fox and ESPN co-own the rights and if they didn't want to work together anymore then a possible schism could occur. If a schism happened then both networks' conferences could benefit by letting the B1G take it's pick of Kansas & Co. while OU, OK St., TCU/Baylor, TT jump to the Pac-12.

So the Big XII would be possibly broken into pieces as such:
Texas - ACC
OU - Pac
TT - Pac
OK St. - Pac
Baylor - Pac/SEC
TCU - Pac/BE/MWC
WVU - SEC
Kansas - B1G
Kansas St. - B1G/SEC
Iowa St. - B1G/BE

Result - ACC, B1G, SEC, and the Pac would become 16 team conferences and would end any realignment for a long time.......

Of course it's not that realistic but it's a lot more realistic than taking the Texahoma 4.

Texas-Texas Tech are a package, and OU-OSU are a package, and OU-Texas are a package. Splitting them isn't going to happen.

Just to be clear I get Texas-TT but OU-Texas isn't a package. It's already been proven multiple times when OU was looking at the SEC & Pac without Texas and when Texas was looking at the ACC without OU.

At the end of the day the schools are going to look out for themselves before they start worrying about the ball & chain.

Texas-OU absolutely is a package. That's why they stayed. The amount of money that those two schools make of each other is phenominal. Unless someone can match that, being a package is in their best interest. This isn't just a ball and chain. This is a ball and chain that is attached to a broken ATM machine that keeps shooing out bills.

No it wasn't, the only reason why they stayed together is that the Pac told OU to screw since Texas wasn't involved otherwise the Pac-12 would be the Pac-14 right now with OU and OK St..
The Pac wanted them as a duo but OU and Texas don't think that way.

Take Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Notre Dame and form 1st super conference. Between Texas and Notre Dame could force ESPN to relinquish rights, so we can renegotiate, or dissolve conference, reform under another name. You'd be talking 7 new teams, so in reality is a new conference.

http://atlanticcoastconvos.com/2012/11/1...d-rutgers/

Decent article though I would add Texas to the pitch list

1. PSU(revenge move)
2. Vandy(make the SEC raid the Big 12 move)
3. Northwestern(jerk move)
4. Texas(topple the Big 12 move)
5. ND(wouldn't even come close to happening unless they have members #14 & #15 signed up first)
6. Louisville(kill the BE move)
7. UConn(turn the BE completely into C-USA 2.0 in football move)
8. Georgetown(only if ND refuses to join, we get to 16 full members & get back into Balt/DC market)

(11-20-2012 08:09 AM)wildthing202 Wrote:  http://atlanticcoastconvos.com/2012/11/1...d-rutgers/

Decent article though I would add Texas to the pitch list

1. PSU(revenge move)
2. Vandy(make the SEC raid the Big 12 move)
3. Northwestern(jerk move)
4. Texas(topple the Big 12 move)
5. ND(wouldn't even come close to happening unless they have members #14 & #15 signed up first)
6. Louisville(kill the BE move)
7. UConn(turn the BE completely into C-USA 2.0 in football move)
8. Georgetown(only if ND refuses to join, we get to 16 full members & get back into Balt/DC market)

Army, Navy, and Air Force (martial Law mode)