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(11-20-2012 07:18 AM)BlazingGoat Wrote:  Did it occur to people that given that AB is all we have (and the fact that Perry got a chance before him) that coach has no other card to play than expressing confidence in him?

I said exactly this in a post a while back, so yes, I think it has occured to some of us complete retards but thanks.

(11-20-2012 07:33 AM)Smaug Wrote:  I'd rather play Bento than let Brown get killed.

Exactly.

(11-20-2012 08:21 AM)the_blazerman Wrote:  Visibly AB looks like he is in bad shape.

He looks less than 100%. Certainly, he has lost a lot of mobility. But as someone who remembers, vividly, my own father shutting me down from pitching in my freshman year - he knew from my mechanics that I was going to blow my arm and neither me nor my damn fool of a coach was going to stop running me out there every other game - I think there are plenty of people who don't think he's at "shutdown" threshold. The thing that's stuck with me the most about McGee in regards to AB is that Coach made clear that he was seeing the right things because he could diagnose problems and ask the right questions when he came to the sideline after every series. Though AB may be limited, that mental process is still going on.

EDIT: ...he has lost ALL mobility.

(11-20-2012 08:34 AM)the_blazerman Wrote:  Maybe McGee doesn't want to openly reveal (on the field) what is happening behind the scenes.

Putting Bento out there would openly reveal that JP isn't really the backup anymore.

I have no idea on the extent of AB's injury either, however if the doctors say that he can play that is good enough for me.

It still looks bad though.

Just conjecture since I'm clearly not BFFs with McGee so I'm not privy to his thoughts, but I honestly don't think JP has a bearing at all on AB staying on the field. I agree that we would likely see Bento, but the go/no-go decision on AB should be - and I see nothing to say it isn't - a completely separate decision. JP's pride, or lack thereof, is between him and McGee, but riding the pine wouldn't be any worse with Bento on the field than Brown. As I said, if he is playing just one wrong hit from a year's worth of surgery/rehab, there's a lot of people who are ALL not doing their job.

(11-20-2012 08:42 AM)Uncle BLAZER Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 07:18 AM)BlazingGoat Wrote:  Did it occur to people that given that AB is all we have (and the fact that Perry got a chance before him) that coach has no other card to play than expressing confidence in him?

I said exactly this in a post a while back, so yes, I think it has occured to some of us complete retards but thanks.

(11-20-2012 07:33 AM)Smaug Wrote:  I'd rather play Bento than let Brown get killed.

Exactly.

Did it occur to you that coach might not play AB if he is not healthy enough to do so? (something blazr has noted--especially with respect to the potential liability)

Did it occur to you that coach might have taken a look at AB vs. Bento and decided in his professional opinion that AB is better for our purposes either in the long term or in the short?

Did it occur to you that our head coach might know more about what's going on team and QB wise than you, a fan?

All interesting thoughts to ponder.

Look, we as fans are just talking out our ass until we have a good data set to analyze (some of us realize this, others of us apparently do not). We'll have our initial data set in about 2 more years.

(11-20-2012 09:09 AM)BlazingGoat Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 08:42 AM)Uncle BLAZER Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 07:18 AM)BlazingGoat Wrote:  Did it occur to people that given that AB is all we have (and the fact that Perry got a chance before him) that coach has no other card to play than expressing confidence in him?

I said exactly this in a post a while back, so yes, I think it has occured to some of us complete retards but thanks.

(11-20-2012 07:33 AM)Smaug Wrote:  I'd rather play Bento than let Brown get killed.

Exactly.

Did it occur to you that coach might not play AB if he is not healthy enough to do so? (something blazr has noted)

Did it occur to you that coach might have taken a look at AB vs. Bento and decided in his professional opinion that AB is better for our purposes either in the long term or in the short?

Did it occur to you that our head coach might know more about what's going on team and QB wise than you, a fan?

All interesting thoughts to ponder.

No. I hadn't thought about any of that over the last several days we've been talking about it.

Thanks for enlightening me.

And in just over 5 days it will be all over & we won't have to discuss it any longer & we can move on.

Blazing Goat said "Look, we as fans are just talking out our ass until we have a good data set to analyze (some of us realize this, others of us apparently do not). We'll have our initial data set in about 2 more years."

No, we have the initial data set now. Any coach has to deal with his current players. Clearly, there is enough talent on this team to be in every game. But the play is sporadic, and that is a reflection on coaching.

(11-20-2012 09:55 AM)SunDogV Wrote:  Clearly, there is enough talent on this team to be in every game.

I strongly disagree.

(11-20-2012 10:15 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 09:55 AM)SunDogV Wrote:  Clearly, there is enough talent on this team to be in every game.

I strongly disagree.

That's not allowed on here.

Ok, then I vehemently disagree

[/u]AB is McGee’s current and future QB until another QB proves otherwise (Greer, Craft, or future recruit). That’s why he is so adamant about playing AB even though he is hurt. McGee is willing to sacrifice wins today (with a hurt redshirt freshman) to be successful tomorrow. McGee wants to get the learning curve out of the way now so they can hit the ground running next year and really be solidified in years 3 and 4. He doesn’t want to go through this again with another redshirt freshman (Greer, Craft, or future recruit) because he knows it’ll go similar to what we experienced this year.

A healthy AB is a much better QB than we are seeing now and McGee knows that!

(11-20-2012 12:43 PM)EATON-BLAZER Wrote:  [/u]AB is McGee’s current and future QB until another QB proves otherwise (Greer, Craft, or future recruit). That’s why he is so adamant about playing AB even though he is hurt. McGee is willing to sacrifice wins today (with a hurt redshirt freshman) to be successful tomorrow. McGee wants to get the learning curve out of the way now so they can hit the ground running next year and really be solidified in years 3 and 4. He doesn’t want to go through this again with another redshirt freshman (Greer, Craft, or future recruit) because he knows it’ll go similar to what we experienced this year.

A healthy AB is a much better QB than we are seeing now and McGee knows that!

I think we all know that. I do, at least.

I just worry about his physical state getting worse. I also have a hard time understanding why he is still out there when so many others(at other positions) no longer are.

But...Like Blazerman said, after Sat. we won't have to worry about it.
I'm glad too. I need a break.

(11-20-2012 12:50 PM)Uncle BLAZER Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 12:43 PM)EATON-BLAZER Wrote:  [/u]AB is McGee’s current and future QB until another QB proves otherwise (Greer, Craft, or future recruit). That’s why he is so adamant about playing AB even though he is hurt. McGee is willing to sacrifice wins today (with a hurt redshirt freshman) to be successful tomorrow. McGee wants to get the learning curve out of the way now so they can hit the ground running next year and really be solidified in years 3 and 4. He doesn’t want to go through this again with another redshirt freshman (Greer, Craft, or future recruit) because he knows it’ll go similar to what we experienced this year.

A healthy AB is a much better QB than we are seeing now and McGee knows that!

I think we all know that. I do, at least.

I just worry about his physical state getting worse. I also have a hard time understanding why he is still out there when so many others(at other positions) no longer are.

But...Like Blazerman said, after Sat. we won't have to worry about it.
I'm glad too. I need a break.

Amen!

(11-20-2012 09:55 AM)SunDogV Wrote:  Blazing Goat said "Look, we as fans are just talking out our ass until we have a good data set to analyze (some of us realize this, others of us apparently do not). We'll have our initial data set in about 2 more years."

No, we have the initial data set now. Any coach has to deal with his current players. Clearly, there is enough talent on this team to be in every game. But the play is sporadic, and that is a reflection on coaching.

So, you're saying you could take a team of clones of the players on, say, ECU's roster (except, just for degree of difficulty, let's give you only one returning OLine starter), then grab a proven-to-be-non-sporadic head coach (Gene Chizik? No, too easy. How about Bo Pelini from Nebraska? Rich Rod at Arizona?), he picks a staff, toss them on the field in March, bring them back in August, and you're bowling with at least 7 wins? That about right? Previous years have no bearing on the next? Almost 2/3rds Freshmen, Sophomores, or late JC signings on the Opening Day 2-Deep is not a factor at all?

(11-20-2012 02:35 PM)blazr Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 09:55 AM)SunDogV Wrote:  Blazing Goat said "Look, we as fans are just talking out our ass until we have a good data set to analyze (some of us realize this, others of us apparently do not). We'll have our initial data set in about 2 more years."

No, we have the initial data set now. Any coach has to deal with his current players. Clearly, there is enough talent on this team to be in every game. But the play is sporadic, and that is a reflection on coaching.

So, you're saying you could take a team of clones of the players on, say, ECU's roster (except, just for degree of difficulty, let's give you only one returning OLine starter), then grab a proven-to-be-non-sporadic head coach (Gene Chizik? No, too easy. How about Bo Pelini from Nebraska? Rich Rod at Arizona?), he picks a staff, toss them on the field in March, bring them back in August, and you're bowling with at least 7 wins? That about right? Previous years have no bearing on the next? Almost 2/3rds Freshmen, Sophomores, or late JC signings on the Opening Day 2-Deep is not a factor at all?

Who said they were not a factor. Any coach, any year, playing people of, or not of, his recruiting efforts is establishing a "data set". The simple fact is, McGee's team has been terribly inconsistent. That's the difference between UAB and Memphis. Memphis has progressively gotten better, (and please don't contend that the talent is better). McGee's UAB team has not. Maybe McGee will develop into a first rate head coach, but the early signs are not good.

This is what message boards are for. Fans talking out of there asses about stuff they know less about than the coaches. People actually are pointing this out? If you have an issue with it, the message board world is definitely not for you, lol. Otherwise it would be one big thread about how correct Coach is and how he must always know best, unless he's the wrong guy, but he can't be because the A.D. also knows more about being an A.D. than we do, so who are we to question him... and on and on.

And that's a perfectly valid view, don't get me wrong, and I respect it. But this is the place where you can say, "Let's burn Craft's redshirt for UCF!"

Seriously though, I'm not a fan of sacrificing wins, ever, for any reason, if that's what's going on. Less than 10k in the stands has a lot to do with being 3-8.

(11-20-2012 03:32 PM)thebernreuter Wrote:  Being 3-8 has a lot to do with less than 10k in the stands.

FIFY.

(11-20-2012 03:32 PM)thebernreuter Wrote:  This is what message boards are for. Fans talking out of there asses about stuff they know less about than the coaches. People actually are pointing this out? If you have an issue with it, the message board world is definitely not for you, lol. Otherwise it would be one big thread about how correct Coach is and how he must always know best, unless he's the wrong guy, but he can't be because the A.D. also knows more about being an A.D. than we do, so who are we to question him... and on and on.

And that's a perfectly valid view, don't get me wrong, and I respect it. But this is the place where you can say, "Let's burn Craft's redshirt for UCF!"

Seriously though, I'm not a fan of sacrificing wins, ever, for any reason, if that's what's going on. Less than 10k in the stands has a lot to do with being 3-8.

It's not "sacrificing wins". It's doing what you can on any given day knowing that you have to get up tomorrow and do the same thing again some more.

Before your commute to work next Monday are you willing to sign a contract stating that you're done for XYZ Corp. if you can't get there on time at 8am? (for any reason).

Ooops! Accident on I-65! Hellow! unemployment line.,,..

Man we have wore this topic out like a Ttoy fan wears out a sheep in Pike County.

Just start Bento. We're not going to beat UCF anyway, it's not worth putting our QB in an iron lung over.