(11-11-2012 11:48 AM)mattsarz Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 01:15 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Everybody who has moved has struggled mightily. Look at Utah. It's pretty easy to look awesome when you only have to get up for 2-3 games a year. Every week is another story.

Texas A&M disagrees with you.

Utah is a unique comparison b/c it moved up from non-AQ to AQ. Others moved within AQ conferences (Nebraska, A&M, Missouri, Colorado, etc.)

Nebraska & A&M have so far done fine. I do kinda agree with your Utah statement, which kinda goes to TCU as well. Mizzou's a mixed bag at best and Colorado's a dumpster fire, but they were going to be a dumpster fire anywhere they went.

Texas A&M is an exception. But they also had a new QB and coach so meh. I think they are having a larger impact than the schedule.

Nebraska has been a push. Missouri is down. Colorado is way way down.

In general, teams switching conferences tend to be worse off than they were previously in the immediate aftermath of the change.

Was Colorado even up tho? They've been struggling for sometime.

(11-11-2012 06:51 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 07:31 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 01:15 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Everybody who has moved has struggled mightily. Look at Utah. It's pretty easy to look awesome when you only have to get up for 2-3 games a year. Every week is another story.

I seem to recall VT and BC doing quite well when they made the move.

Anyway, for SU, we lose a lot of good seniors so I suspect our first year in the ACC will be average (6-6, 5-7). But I certainly don't see why we can't be successful very soon afterward in a struggling football conference.

Cheers,
Neil

BC had Matt Ryan. Do you have a good NFL QB on your roster?

VT did okay, but not better than they did in the Big East.

Cuse's schedule is tough, and is a VERY unusual extreme circumstance in terms of SOS for teams about to switch conferences.

BC won the Atlantic once with Ryan and then the year after without him. They performed better in the ACC there first four years in the ACC than they ever did in the Big East.

VT won the Big East outright once and a tie-breaker with SU and Miami once. They also were co-champion another time, but lost the tie-breaker. They have won the ACC outright 4 times and were Coastal Champion two other times. They obviously have performed better in the ACC than they did the Big East. There is no question about that.

Cuse has traditionally scheduled tough in football. That will likely continue in the ACC.

Cheers,
Neil

Syracuse in the Atlantic, Pitt in the Coastal. I think Syracuse would be 3rd behind FSU and Clemson and Pit would be in the mix for division champ.

Atlantic Division
Boston College Eagles
Clemson Tigers
Florida St. Seminoles
Maryland Terrapins
N.C. State Wolfpack
Syracuse Orange
Wake Forest Demon Deacons

Coastal Division
Duke Blue Devils
Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets
Miami Hurricanes
North Carolina Tar Heels
Pittsburgh Panthers
Virginia Cavaliers
Virginia Tech Hokies

(11-11-2012 05:50 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 12:21 PM)mj4life Wrote:  pitt& cuse are not making a step up in level of play, in fact you could say it's more of a lateral move from the old big east. even the NBE is going to have very solid top 25 caliber teams.

They are going into the Atlantic, not the Coastal. They'll face off with two likely Top 10 teams next year.

hopefully 1 of them will be in the dome

(11-11-2012 09:15 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  Syracuse in the Atlantic, Pitt in the Coastal. I think Syracuse would be 3rd behind FSU and Clemson and Pit would be in the mix for division champ.

Atlantic Division
Boston College Eagles
Clemson Tigers
Florida St. Seminoles
Maryland Terrapins
N.C. State Wolfpack
Syracuse Orange
Wake Forest Demon Deacons

Coastal Division
Duke Blue Devils
Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets
Miami Hurricanes
North Carolina Tar Heels
Pittsburgh Panthers
Virginia Cavaliers
Virginia Tech Hokies

I think both Pittsburgh and Syracuse will do well next season. Mind you I don't think they will win the ACC or anything like that but I think 7 wins are possible for Syracuse next season but with a new quarterback anything is possible. There are not that many good teams in the ACC so I do not think it will be that tough an adjustment compared to this year's Big East.

(11-11-2012 09:15 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  Syracuse in the Atlantic, Pitt in the Coastal. I think Syracuse would be 3rd behind FSU and Clemson and Pit would be in the mix for division champ.

Atlantic Division
Boston College Eagles
Clemson Tigers
Florida St. Seminoles
Maryland Terrapins
N.C. State Wolfpack
Syracuse Orange
Wake Forest Demon Deacons

Coastal Division
Duke Blue Devils
Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets
Miami Hurricanes
North Carolina Tar Heels
Pittsburgh Panthers
Virginia Cavaliers
Virginia Tech Hokies

Cuse could win the Coastal this year. Nobody in the Coastal has an impressive win this year or as tough a schedule as Cuse. There's a good chance the division winner will only have 6 or 7 wins.

Their combined record, will be somewhere between 24-0 and 0-24.

(11-12-2012 06:05 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 09:15 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  Syracuse in the Atlantic, Pitt in the Coastal. I think Syracuse would be 3rd behind FSU and Clemson and Pit would be in the mix for division champ.

Atlantic Division
Boston College Eagles
Clemson Tigers
Florida St. Seminoles
Maryland Terrapins
N.C. State Wolfpack
Syracuse Orange
Wake Forest Demon Deacons

Coastal Division
Duke Blue Devils
Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets
Miami Hurricanes
North Carolina Tar Heels
Pittsburgh Panthers
Virginia Cavaliers
Virginia Tech Hokies

Cuse could win the Coastal this year. Nobody in the Coastal has an impressive win this year or as tough a schedule as Cuse. There's a good chance the division winner will only have 6 or 7 wins.

It would be interesting.

However, we will have to play the cards we are dealt and playing Clemson and FSU will be an annual event and they are stocked in players and coaching staffs to keep their winning traditions. I honestly don't see Syracuse winning the Atlantic division for a while, but I do see where they can play spoiler often.

Pitt, with a stable coach, can do some damage in the weaker Coastal division. Miami will be down a few more years until probation ends and that mess runs its course. Not sure what is happening at VATech, whether this is a long term issue or a hiccup in the Beamer era.

(11-12-2012 07:43 AM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 06:05 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 09:15 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  Syracuse in the Atlantic, Pitt in the Coastal. I think Syracuse would be 3rd behind FSU and Clemson and Pit would be in the mix for division champ.

Atlantic Division
Boston College Eagles
Clemson Tigers
Florida St. Seminoles
Maryland Terrapins
N.C. State Wolfpack
Syracuse Orange
Wake Forest Demon Deacons

Coastal Division
Duke Blue Devils
Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets
Miami Hurricanes
North Carolina Tar Heels
Pittsburgh Panthers
Virginia Cavaliers
Virginia Tech Hokies

Cuse could win the Coastal this year. Nobody in the Coastal has an impressive win this year or as tough a schedule as Cuse. There's a good chance the division winner will only have 6 or 7 wins.

It would be interesting.

However, we will have to play the cards we are dealt and playing Clemson and FSU will be an annual event and they are stocked in players and coaching staffs to keep their winning traditions. I honestly don't see Syracuse winning the Atlantic division for a while, but I do see where they can play spoiler often.

Pitt, with a stable coach, can do some damage in the weaker Coastal division. Miami will be down a few more years until probation ends and that mess runs its course. Not sure what is happening at VATech, whether this is a long term issue or a hiccup in the Beamer era.

i wouldn't put the nail in v tech coffin just yet, G tech is also having a down year but the wilcards are UVA & UNC. Carolina would be in a postion to play for the title if not for being on probabtion & fedora & staff are lining up a really good class that should be in the top 5 conference wise & top 20 nationally. UVA also has a top 25 class coming in a look to really be starting to play better. so Pitt won't have it easier but they should be able to compete with most of the division

(11-12-2012 07:35 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Their combined record, will be somewhere between 24-0 and 0-24.

hahaha

(11-12-2012 08:00 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 07:43 AM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 06:05 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 09:15 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  Syracuse in the Atlantic, Pitt in the Coastal. I think Syracuse would be 3rd behind FSU and Clemson and Pit would be in the mix for division champ.

Atlantic Division
Boston College Eagles
Clemson Tigers
Florida St. Seminoles
Maryland Terrapins
N.C. State Wolfpack
Syracuse Orange
Wake Forest Demon Deacons

Coastal Division
Duke Blue Devils
Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets
Miami Hurricanes
North Carolina Tar Heels
Pittsburgh Panthers
Virginia Cavaliers
Virginia Tech Hokies

Cuse could win the Coastal this year. Nobody in the Coastal has an impressive win this year or as tough a schedule as Cuse. There's a good chance the division winner will only have 6 or 7 wins.

It would be interesting.

However, we will have to play the cards we are dealt and playing Clemson and FSU will be an annual event and they are stocked in players and coaching staffs to keep their winning traditions. I honestly don't see Syracuse winning the Atlantic division for a while, but I do see where they can play spoiler often.

Pitt, with a stable coach, can do some damage in the weaker Coastal division. Miami will be down a few more years until probation ends and that mess runs its course. Not sure what is happening at VATech, whether this is a long term issue or a hiccup in the Beamer era.

i wouldn't put the nail in v tech coffin just yet, G tech is also having a down year but the wilcards are UVA & UNC. Carolina would be in a postion to play for the title if not for being on probabtion & fedora & staff are lining up a really good class that should be in the top 5 conference wise & top 20 nationally. UVA also has a top 25 class coming in a look to really be starting to play better. so Pitt won't have it easier but they should be able to compete with most of the division

Not putting nails in anyone's coffin. Just laying out the facts that Pitt has talent and needed stable coaching and now has it while the Coastal division is weak. Miami will rise again. I presume VATech will become strong again and anyone else can rise to the top. The question is exactly how soon and the OP was about how well Syracuse and Pitt do NEXT year.

UNC should have been winning all along, VATech has lots of problems but Beamer has managed everything for a long time, so history says this won't last long. Miami needs to get past the sanctions and the recruits will start coming again. The Coastal will not be down permanently, but at this point in time, FSU and Clemson have nothing to worry about.

Well... Virginia Tech and Boston College came in and competed right away -- remember that VT and BC were opponents in 2 of the first 3 ACCCGs.

Syracuse will be coming into the Atlantic division at an optimal time as both FSU and Clemson will be losing key members from this season's squads, plus NC State's Mike Glennon is graduating and there's likely to be no really dominant team in that division. Syracuse seems to be getting its sea-legs under it again and they could compete for the division crown (depending on who they are losing after this season)

As for Pittsburgh, they are entering a dumpster fire of a division (Coastal) and if they exhibit any semblance of defense, they could finish in the top 2 of that division.

In short, I'd bet more money that either school will finish in the top 2 of their respective divisions, before I bet money they finish in last place.

(11-12-2012 09:52 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Well... Virginia Tech and Boston College came in and competed right away -- remember that VT and BC were opponents in 2 of the first 3 ACCCGs.

Syracuse will be coming into the Atlantic division at an optimal time as both FSU and Clemson will be losing key members from this season's squads, plus NC State's Mike Glennon is graduating and there's likely to be no really dominant team in that division. Syracuse seems to be getting its sea-legs under it again and they could compete for the division crown (depending on who they are losing after this season)

As for Pittsburgh, they are entering a dumpster fire of a division (Coastal) and if they exhibit any semblance of defense, they could finish in the top 2 of that division.

In short, I'd bet more money that either school will finish in the top 2 of their respective divisions, before I bet money they finish in last place.

Really? News to me. Which key member(s) do we lose that we can't replace?

(11-12-2012 10:45 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 09:52 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Well... Virginia Tech and Boston College came in and competed right away -- remember that VT and BC were opponents in 2 of the first 3 ACCCGs.

Syracuse will be coming into the Atlantic division at an optimal time as both FSU and Clemson will be losing key members from this season's squads, plus NC State's Mike Glennon is graduating and there's likely to be no really dominant team in that division. Syracuse seems to be getting its sea-legs under it again and they could compete for the division crown (depending on who they are losing after this season)

As for Pittsburgh, they are entering a dumpster fire of a division (Coastal) and if they exhibit any semblance of defense, they could finish in the top 2 of that division.

In short, I'd bet more money that either school will finish in the top 2 of their respective divisions, before I bet money they finish in last place.

Really? News to me. Which key member(s) do we lose that we can't replace?

yeah i was wondering the same thing, i think next year you guys make a serious run & have a shot to get to the title game