tigersharktwo Wrote:If the BE is dying why did Louisville join?

to make it easier to get into the sec once a few of the smaller members possibly get kicked out of get rid of their programs

Wilkie01 Wrote:I would not be so fast with my comments WVA could just as easily be left out by the SEC and Big 10.

All of this was brought about by a rumor. All of this is speculation and nothing more. As for WVU being left out by the Big 10 and SEC, that may be true. I'm not going to sit an argue a point on a speculation. I will say this, WVU is a proven program in both football and basketball and you don't have to worry about what you're getting.

With us either, and you know that!

The ACC has already over expanded. They will see the error of their ways sooned rather then later. The Big Ten is holding out for Notre Dame only. They are not really interested in Pitt or Syracuse and certainly not Ul. The SEC has 12 schools and will not be expanding unless they lose a member. I couls see UK jumping ship from the SEC for a better basketball conference. Their fan base would support a move like that for less money. I do not think it will happen, but it is NOT out of the realm of possibilities.

MOUNTAINEERFAN64 Wrote:West Viginia seems like a possible canidate to me they border an SEC state and are in a defunct football conference.

This Big Least thing will never hold together. The Big 10 needs to expand to 12 teams to keep up with the Joneses. Pittsburgh is a perfect fit there and maybe Syracuse leaving Loserville out in the cold again.

There is talk to that the non Div.1 football schools in the Big East will want to break away i.e., St. John's, Villanova, and Seton Hall.

I can't see the Big 12 expanding anymore right now though.

Unless the NCAA is leaning toward 5 major power conferences SEC, ACC, Big 10 & 12, and PAC 10 who also needs to expand.

This was brought up by quite a few posters on the old ESPN boards. If the Big East doesn't keep their BCS bid, I can see this happening in the future. With all the talk of some of the smaller SEC schools possibly disbanning their Athletic Depts.

WTF?

Quote:West Viginia seems like a possible canidate to me they border an SEC state and are in a defunct football conference.

The SEC won't be taking mountain queers.

KK...he was quoting a guy from the Kentucky board. Well, all but the last part.

The ONLY way the Big 12 would expand is if Missouri jumped to the Big 10 to become its 12th member.

But various Big 10 ADs have said over and over and over again they aren't interested in expanding (unless it is Notre Dame), and they are cool on the idea of a championship game.

Even if the Big 12 somehow had an opening, there is no reason for Arkansas to leave the SEC. It would be a lateral move at best, and they would probably lose money. The SEC is arguably the top conference in the land. And what would the benefit be to Arkansas to renew all of these "historical rivalries"? They sell out now against SEC competition. They're going to do better getting Baylor, Kansas, Iowa State, Texas Tech and OK State? Sure they'd also get Texas and Oklahoma, but they already have a ton of marquee names in the SEC.

Arkansas belongs in the SEC, they are a southern school - not a midwestern school. Arkansas makes more sense with an SEC identity.

THAT BEING SAID - in the unlikely event the SEC ever expands, I would expect WVU to be on their short list of expansion candidates. WVU almost made the SEC when South Carolina joined. But I'm not holding my breath, and frankly the best case scenario for WVU is for the Big East to flourish and reach that next level.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

MOUNTAINEERFAN64 Wrote:West Viginia seems like a possible canidate to me they border an SEC state and are in a defunct football conference.

This Big Least thing will never hold together. The Big 10 needs to expand to 12 teams to keep up with the Joneses. Pittsburgh is a perfect fit there and maybe Syracuse leaving Loserville out in the cold again.

There is talk to that the non Div.1 football schools in the Big East will want to break away i.e., St. John's, Villanova, and Seton Hall.

I can't see the Big 12 expanding anymore right now though.

Unless the NCAA is leaning toward 5 major power conferences SEC, ACC, Big 10 & 12, and PAC 10 who also needs to expand.

This was brought up by quite a few posters on the old ESPN boards. If the Big East doesn't keep their BCS bid, I can see this happening in the future. With all the talk of some of the smaller SEC schools possibly disbanning their Athletic Depts.

WTF?

It was a quote taken from another site. I wasn't bashing any Big East Teams at all. I was simply making the statement that on the "OLD ESPN MESSAGE BOARD" this was brought up quite often. I still say that if the Big East keeps getting bashed by everyone like we continually are in the media and lose our BCS bid,"which seems to be the objective" that West Virginia could be a possiblity to go to the SEC if the smaller schools are still discussing dropping their Athletic Budgets.

This post was in no way a derogitory remark on the Big East or any of it's members.

cardheel Wrote:

Quote:West Viginia seems like a possible canidate to me they border an SEC state and are in a defunct football conference.

The SEC won't be taking mountain queers.

Did it take you all night to think that one up? Regardless of how I would feel about a team, I would never stoop to the childish level of calling them a name such as that. Thank You for showing your true colors CARDHEEL, you will always be remembered as one of the needy.

The one thing that I know about the Arkansas program is that they would leave the SEC in a heartbeat if they could get into the B12. Practically all of their tradition, history and rivals reside in the B12(due to their long history in the old SWC). Whenever you look at the SEC, you just get a sense that UA doesn't belong out there in no mans land. The popular opinion by far in Hogville is to get back to hating Ok and Texas.

MOUNTAINEERFAN64 Wrote:It was a quote taken from another site.  I wasn't bashing any Big East Teams at all. I was simply making the statement that on the "OLD ESPN MESSAGE BOARD" this was brought up quite often.  I still say that if the Big East keeps getting bashed by everyone like we continually are in the media and lose our BCS bid,"which seems to be the objective" that West Virginia could be a possiblity to go to the SEC if the smaller schools are still discussing dropping their Athletic Budgets. 

This post was in no way a derogitory remark on the Big East or any of it's members.

This is a perfect demonstration of the media's effect on the braindead masses. Instead of being able to analyze anything objectively, these people merely regurgitate what the agenda driven talking heads have pounded into their feeble minds week after week. This is truly a pathetic state of affairs.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

MOUNTAINEERFAN64 Wrote:It was a quote taken from another site.  I wasn't bashing any Big East Teams at all. I was simply making the statement that on the "OLD ESPN MESSAGE BOARD" this was brought up quite often.   I still say that if the Big East keeps getting bashed by everyone like we continually are in the media and lose our BCS bid,"which seems to be the objective" that West Virginia could be a possiblity to go to the SEC if the smaller schools are still discussing dropping their Athletic Budgets. 

This post was in no way a derogitory remark on the Big East or any of it's members.

This is a perfect demonstration of the media's effect on the braindead masses. Instead of being able to analyze anything objectively, these people merely regurgitate what the agenda driven talking heads have pounded into their feeble minds week after week. This is truly a pathetic state of affairs.

Excuse me? I'm not exactly sure I'm understanding your main point. If your talking about the media and their ongoing dribble talk about the Big East not deserving of their BCS bid, I agree. The media is the main factor in all of this useless propaganda against the Big East for GOD only knows what reason. Soon it's going to get to the point that people are going to start believing all this hogwash that is coming from the likes of Lee Corso, Kirk Herbstreet and the rest of the ESPN cast that constantly bash the Big East and their members. Myself, I'm happy with the Big East and I truly think it has an opportunity to grow and be a very respectable football conference, if given the chance.

St. Patrick Eagle Wrote:The one thing that I know about the Arkansas program is that they would leave the SEC in a heartbeat if they could get into the B12. Practically all of their tradition, history and rivals reside in the B12(due to their long history in the old SWC). Whenever you look at the SEC, you just get a sense that UA doesn't belong out there in no mans land. The popular opinion by far in Hogville is to get back to hating Ok and Texas.

Surely the money is better in the SEC isn't it? That alone seems to be enough to keep a school away from their tradition and history (COUGH COUGH BC PENN STATE).

I heard that the Big 12 South would split and add Arkansas and LSU to become the dirty dozen-old SWC is back and if you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'-
Texas
Oklahoma
Texas Tech
Arkansas
Oklahoma State
LSU
Baylor
Texas A&M
Houston
TCU
SMU
UTEP

Big 12 North would have-nice rivals here....Memphis brings hoops which pleases Kansas.
Colorado State
Air Force
Missouri
Kansas
Kansas State
Nebraska
Colorado
Iowa State
Boise State
New Mexico
Wyoming
Memphis



SEC would add-south rivalries get hotter
Clemson
Ga Tech

ACC semi finals would be the final four every year.
Syracuse
UCONN

MWC/wac would have this. Not bad, but if Gonzaga had a football team they could be added.
UNLV
San Diego State
Utah State
Fresno State
Hawaii
Nevada
Idaho
New Mexico State
San Jose State


PAC Ten-rivals best option for PAC Ten.
BYU
Utah


BIG North East- The Welcome back Cotter conference. nice rivalries. decent hoops post split
Louisville
Pitt
UC
West Virginia
Rutgers
Temple
USF
ECU
UCF
Southern MISS
UAB
Marshall


CUSA/Sun Belt- good southern rivalries here.
Arkansas State
FIU
FAU
LA Tech
Tulsa
Middle Tenn
North Texas
Troy
LA Monore
LA Lafayette
Tulane
Rice


Big Ten adds Notre Dame
MAC stay the same except Temple sent back to BE.
Army/navy stay indy

WAC/MWC merge
Sun Belt/CUSA merge

No.

Put me in the category of those thinking the Big XII will eventually split. I don't know what schools will be courted to join Texas, OU and Co., but I agree the North/South split will take place.

For fun, however, let's say they successfully court LSU, Ole Miss and Arkansas, forming a 9-team league. Then what...?

Not saying that it will happen but someone posted on the scout Arkansas board the revenues for the Big12 and SEC:

SEC Conference Distribution - $110 Million
Big XII Conference Distribution - $106 Million

- Not much difference there.....

While probably NOT part of the equation, overall academics are better in the Big12 than SEC.

Big12 schools are closer to Arkansas on average than to the SEC schools (Kentucky Board).

IT does seem interesting but I'm not sure it opens up new markets for the Big12 TV contract or would get the Big12 more bowl money - two of the biggest driving factors for expansion.

Quote:IT does seem interesting but I'm not sure it opens up new markets for the Big12 TV contract or would get the Big12 more bowl money - two of the biggest driving factors for expansion.

That's why I think it would take a split.
I could see something like this happening:
Big 9
Iowa State
Missouri
Kansas
Kansas State
Nebraska
Colorado
Colorado State*
Utah*
BYU*
SWC
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Baylor
Arkansas*
LSU*
UTEP*

Just in case some one isn't aware, take out Arkansas and South Carolina and the 10 SEC teams have ALL been in the same conference since 1922. It's not as if LSU has history of conference affliation with the Big 12 south teams. No way are they or any other SEC original 10 moving to a Texas league.