(11-08-2012 09:27 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 09:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 09:11 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 02:55 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 02:38 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  There wont be a 70/30 spilt. The deals will be broken up.

I wasn't implying anything about the deals. I was simply making an assumption that a football school will get 7 dollars for every 3 dollars a basketball school gets.

I've read over the months -- please, don't ask me to provide a cite, -- that both Boise and San Diego have certain contractual rights IF they don't get the 70%. That doesn't mean they'll enforce those rights if 60% is good --- but supposedly they're there.

The only thing that the contract specifies with regard to the 70/30% split is that Boise can withdraw from the Big East with a reduced exit fee. If the contract ends up with a 60/40 split, but Boise is taking home 9 million a year, I doubt they are going anywhere. Heck, at 6 million a year they are are not going anywhere.

I think Big East fans are going to be very pleasantly surprised when the contract is finally hammered out. We wont know what pleases us more---the size of the contract or the exposure it will offer.

Right. Even $12M a year, all sports, will be a great victory, and I think it will be higher. Last year's offer was reportedly $11M for 9 schools. Now, we'll be 14 schools, stronger in football, and more stable with more teams, where losing one or two won't hurt much.

What though has changed though in the marketplace over say the last 6 to 10 months?

1) Notre Dame has moved to the ACC.
2) BE officially no longer an AQ conference.
3) Boise State has an off year.

I just can't see any of this affecting the marketplace positively for the BE. OTOH, the BE is a lot more than just a mix of former MWC/CUSA schools like some are making it out to be.

For one, the dink markets that populate the MWC and CUSA are not included and BB is still top tier in the Big East. The BE has markets across 4 timezones too.

(11-08-2012 10:24 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 09:27 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 09:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 09:11 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 02:55 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  I wasn't implying anything about the deals. I was simply making an assumption that a football school will get 7 dollars for every 3 dollars a basketball school gets.

I've read over the months -- please, don't ask me to provide a cite, -- that both Boise and San Diego have certain contractual rights IF they don't get the 70%. That doesn't mean they'll enforce those rights if 60% is good --- but supposedly they're there.

The only thing that the contract specifies with regard to the 70/30% split is that Boise can withdraw from the Big East with a reduced exit fee. If the contract ends up with a 60/40 split, but Boise is taking home 9 million a year, I doubt they are going anywhere. Heck, at 6 million a year they are are not going anywhere.

I think Big East fans are going to be very pleasantly surprised when the contract is finally hammered out. We wont know what pleases us more---the size of the contract or the exposure it will offer.

Right. Even $12M a year, all sports, will be a great victory, and I think it will be higher. Last year's offer was reportedly $11M for 9 schools. Now, we'll be 14 schools, stronger in football, and more stable with more teams, where losing one or two won't hurt much.

What though has changed though in the marketplace over say the last 6 to 10 months?

1) Notre Dame has moved to the ACC.
2) BE officially no longer an AQ conference.
3) Boise State has an off year.

I just can't see any of this affecting the marketplace positively for the BE. OTOH, the BE is a lot more than just a mix of former MWC/CUSA schools like some are making it out to be.

For one, the dink markets that populate the MWC and CUSA are not included and BB is still top tier in the Big East. The BE has markets across 4 timezones too.

I personally have no idea what the number is, so I'm not going to speculate on what has or hasn't changed that might actually influence the numbers. But I will give the counter position to your market contentions.

1) Notre Dame doesn't play FB in the BE. Their impact on the contract, with all the games still available, will be minimal, if anything.

2) No conference will be AQ. The new deal is "contract" conference. It has not been established yet that the BE won't be one, or at least have the shot at being one the great majority of the time. I'd say little impact on the TV numbers.

3) One team having an "off" year (2 losses?), will not affect a 10-25 year contract for 14 FB teams and 7 more BB teams.

I can even argue that football got stronger, from the time ESPN made the $11M offer. So can Aresco.

I personally think $10M all sports is low, based on what BE officials have said publicly in the past, based on what Brian Murphy said in the OP link ($8M for FB only) and also based on what I'm hearing some BE officials are saying privately.

And as I posted in another thread, the $10M figure attributed to the Memphis AD earlier this year was misunderstanding by the reporter who asked the question. RC Johnson never changed his estimate from the "low teens."

(11-08-2012 10:24 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 09:27 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 09:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 09:11 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 02:55 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  I wasn't implying anything about the deals. I was simply making an assumption that a football school will get 7 dollars for every 3 dollars a basketball school gets.

I've read over the months -- please, don't ask me to provide a cite, -- that both Boise and San Diego have certain contractual rights IF they don't get the 70%. That doesn't mean they'll enforce those rights if 60% is good --- but supposedly they're there.

The only thing that the contract specifies with regard to the 70/30% split is that Boise can withdraw from the Big East with a reduced exit fee. If the contract ends up with a 60/40 split, but Boise is taking home 9 million a year, I doubt they are going anywhere. Heck, at 6 million a year they are are not going anywhere.

I think Big East fans are going to be very pleasantly surprised when the contract is finally hammered out. We wont know what pleases us more---the size of the contract or the exposure it will offer.

Right. Even $12M a year, all sports, will be a great victory, and I think it will be higher. Last year's offer was reportedly $11M for 9 schools. Now, we'll be 14 schools, stronger in football, and more stable with more teams, where losing one or two won't hurt much.

What though has changed though in the marketplace over say the last 6 to 10 months?

1) Notre Dame has moved to the ACC.
2) BE officially no longer an AQ conference.
3) Boise State has an off year.

I just can't see any of this affecting the marketplace positively for the BE. OTOH, the BE is a lot more than just a mix of former MWC/CUSA schools like some are making it out to be.

For one, the dink markets that populate the MWC and CUSA are not included and BB is still top tier in the Big East. The BE has markets across 4 timezones too.

The biggest thing going for it is it is no longer a niche northeastern league. It has vastly expanded its areas of interest into the 2 most populous states in the nation (California and Texas). It also added 2 teams which currently command national interest--Boise and Navy. Adding BYU will be a 3rd. The biggest thing I see is that people in California and Texas that would never in a million years even consider watching a Big East game might just check it out now that a couple of teams from the state are in the league. Ditto in California. Zero California interest in Big East football before---now, some folks from the area might be a bit interested--especially if SDSU is having a good year.

No--the Big East will not be the most popular confernce in either of those states--but they will have a significant number of veiwers there when they had ZERO before. Even a small percentage of viewers in such a large state will equal a ton of people (37 million folks in Cali and 26 million in Tx). The same concept is applicable in Tennesee, Idaho, and Utah on a smaller scale. Those 3 states together add another 10.7 million new potential viewers to Big East broadcasts. So, the new Big East now reaches nearly 74 million new viewers outside of its original eastern footprint. Im not even considering the national implications of teams like Boise, Navy, and possibly BYU.

Bottom line, the Big East its spread out, but its located where the people are. TV will love that.....Bowls---not so much.

(11-08-2012 09:10 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  Also of note is that the NBE is the last major conference to be up for bid within the next 4-6 years.

I'm 90% shure that tier 1 of the B1G and Big XII expires in 2015 and 2016. If that's true, the numbers are more like 3-4 years.

(11-08-2012 11:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 09:10 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  Also of note is that the NBE is the last major conference to be up for bid within the next 4-6 years.

I'm 90% shure that tier 1 of the B1G and Big XII expires in 2015 and 2016. If that's true, the numbers are more like 3-4 years.

You shure?

(11-09-2012 12:00 AM)FULL_MONTY Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 11:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 09:10 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  Also of note is that the NBE is the last major conference to be up for bid within the next 4-6 years.

I'm 90% shure that tier 1 of the B1G and Big XII expires in 2015 and 2016. If that's true, the numbers are more like 3-4 years.

You shure?

I recall Frank the Tank saying it was 2016, just a few days ago.

(11-09-2012 12:23 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-09-2012 12:00 AM)FULL_MONTY Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 11:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 09:10 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  Also of note is that the NBE is the last major conference to be up for bid within the next 4-6 years.

I'm 90% shure that tier 1 of the B1G and Big XII expires in 2015 and 2016. If that's true, the numbers are more like 3-4 years.

You shure?

I recall Frank the Tank saying it was 2016, just a few days ago.

*sure

lol, it's late. good call.

(11-08-2012 11:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 09:10 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  Also of note is that the NBE is the last major conference to be up for bid within the next 4-6 years.

I'm 90% shure that tier 1 of the B1G and Big XII expires in 2015 and 2016. If that's true, the numbers are more like 3-4 years.

Big 12 has signed a long term deals on both tier one and teir two rights.

I think your right on the Big10.

(11-09-2012 01:32 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 11:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 09:10 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  Also of note is that the NBE is the last major conference to be up for bid within the next 4-6 years.

I'm 90% shure that tier 1 of the B1G and Big XII expires in 2015 and 2016. If that's true, the numbers are more like 3-4 years.

Big 12 has signed a long term deals on both tier one and teir two rights.

I think your right on the Big10.

"The Big 12’s primary TV deal with ABC/ESPN — an eight-year, $480 million contract that’s been dwarfed by competing conferences in recent years — expires after 2015-16."

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2010...g-grazing/

That article was written in 2010, but according to wikipedia, that contract is still in effect (take that for what you will). However, they may have already negotiated the contract that will follow this one, so you may be right.

(11-09-2012 01:55 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-09-2012 01:32 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 11:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 09:10 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  Also of note is that the NBE is the last major conference to be up for bid within the next 4-6 years.

I'm 90% shure that tier 1 of the B1G and Big XII expires in 2015 and 2016. If that's true, the numbers are more like 3-4 years.

Big 12 has signed a long term deals on both tier one and teir two rights.

I think your right on the Big10.

"The Big 12’s primary TV deal with ABC/ESPN — an eight-year, $480 million contract that’s been dwarfed by competing conferences in recent years — expires after 2015-16."

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2010...g-grazing/

That article was written in 2010, but according to wikipedia, that contract is still in effect (take that for what you will). However, they may have already negotiated the contract that will follow this one, so you may be right.

Actually, Attack, upon further review, I think that you might be right.

Right. Assuming no further movement, the Big 12, ACC and Pac 12 are locked up until at least 2023, although the ACC's contract might be adjusted slighly after acquiring Notre Dame.

Everything about the Big 10 deal expires in 2016 except the Big East Network which runs until 2032.

And the SEC is renegotiating after acquiring Missouri and Texas A&M. If I am Mike Slive, I let Aresco and Bevilacqua drive up the price for the Big East so I can use their numbers by comparison. "If the Big East is worth $200M a year, what's the SEC worth?"