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(10-06-2012 05:01 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  I am so disappointed. I am moving to homefield handicapped side I just can't take anymore of the visitor's cheering around me.

Sorry I have to ask...we had visiting fans there? For real? How many (give or take)?

I know it does not look good right now but I still wish EMU the best. As you well know Kent State knows how this feels.
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(10-06-2012 10:54 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  [quote='emussuperfan' pid='8357539' dateline='1349560892']
I am so disappointed. I am moving to homefield handicapped side I just can't take anymore of the visitor's cheering around me.

Sorry I have to ask...we had visiting fans there? For real? How many (give or take)?

I know it does not look good right now but I still wish EMU the best. As you well know Kent State knows how this feels.
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(10-06-2012 05:16 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Not only is the play calling terrible, the ENTIRE OFFENSIVE SCHEME is terrible. This team is challenged with X's and O's. The 1980's offense is a joke. EMU does not have enough talent to run this offense - they need more wrinkles. Bring back the Genyk spread!

I try to avoid constant negative posting, but I'll offer one thought:

I'll predict that Karcher will be fired at the end of the season. English will be back next season with a new OC.

After next year, it is ?????

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(10-07-2012 07:13 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(10-06-2012 05:16 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Not only is the play calling terrible, the ENTIRE OFFENSIVE SCHEME is terrible. This team is challenged with X's and O's. The 1980's offense is a joke. EMU does not have enough talent to run this offense - they need more wrinkles. Bring back the Genyk spread!

I try to avoid constant negative posting, but I'll offer one thought:

And what' positive about the current state of the football program? I don't think people are being negative just realistic about the team we're putting on the field as well as the coaching.

I'll predict that Karcher will be fired at the end of the season. English will be back next season with a new OC.

After next year, it is ?????

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(10-06-2012 05:01 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  I am so disappointed. I am moving to homefield handicapped side I just can't take anymore of the visitor's cheering around me.

Well, at least it'll be nice and quiet on the home side of the field. Nothing to cheer about = little to no fan noise. You should be able to do some crossword puzzles while watching the game.
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(10-07-2012 11:29 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(10-07-2012 07:13 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(10-06-2012 05:16 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Not only is the play calling terrible, the ENTIRE OFFENSIVE SCHEME is terrible. This team is challenged with X's and O's. The 1980's offense is a joke. EMU does not have enough talent to run this offense - they need more wrinkles. Bring back the Genyk spread!

I try to avoid constant negative posting, but I'll offer one thought:

And what' positive about the current state of the football program? I don't think people are being negative just realistic about the team we're putting on the field as well as the coaching.

I'll predict that Karcher will be fired at the end of the season. English will be back next season with a new OC.

After next year, it is ?????

[I'm now back to the Tigers. First pitch in a tad less than 4 hours.] 02-13-banana

What I'm getting at is after scores of negative posts what NEW is there to say?

I wonder if Snow will opt not to come back?

Being a DC on a losing team with a bad offense isn't much fun...
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Changing QB's was not the answer; it is the offense they are running and the play calling that needs to change. Gillett is athletic and fast, so run the spread and/or option. The pro-style offense doesn't not fit with the personnel they have and its too complex for the newbie receivers. Gillett would thrive in an offense such as Toledo's, OSU's, MI's. You don't see Brady Hoke trying to force Robinson to sit in the pocket. They know his asset is running.

Gillett threw 3 TD passes and ran for one against Ball State, sooo? If EMU is to win, they need to put alot of points on the board because the Defense is so bad and they won't do it in this current offense.

Benz may throw a better ball but he's not the answer. that was evident yesterday...looked rattled and not poised at all. Plus he doesn't run well. At least Gillett made it exciting.
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(10-07-2012 03:22 PM)brknemu02 Wrote:  Changing QB's was not the answer; it is the offense they are running and the play calling that needs to change. Gillett is athletic and fast, so run the spread and/or option. The pro-style offense doesn't not fit with the personnel they have and its too complex for the newbie receivers. Gillett would thrive in an offense such as Toledo's, OSU's, MI's. You don't see Brady Hoke trying to force Robinson to sit in the pocket. They know his asset is running.

Gillett threw 3 TD passes and ran for one against Ball State, sooo? If EMU is to win, they need to put alot of points on the board because the Defense is so bad and they won't do it in this current offense.

Benz may throw a better ball but he's not the answer. that was evident yesterday...looked rattled and not poised at all. Plus he doesn't run well. At least Gillett made it exciting.

Gillette is not fast. He is an okay athlete who has a ton of heart. But he lacks the passing skill and superior athleticism to be anything more than a backup. He reminds me of Nick Sheridan, RR’s first QB at UM. Poor passer, okay athleticism, but not a guy you can win with. He just is too limited of a player.
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(10-07-2012 03:22 PM)brknemu02 Wrote:  Changing QB's was not the answer; it is the offense they are running and the play calling that needs to change. Gillett is athletic and fast, so run the spread and/or option. The pro-style offense doesn't not fit with the personnel they have and its too complex for the newbie receivers. Gillett would thrive in an offense such as Toledo's, OSU's, MI's. You don't see Brady Hoke trying to force Robinson to sit in the pocket. They know his asset is running.

Gillett threw 3 TD passes and ran for one against Ball State, sooo? If EMU is to win, they need to put alot of points on the board because the Defense is so bad and they won't do it in this current offense.

Benz may throw a better ball but he's not the answer. that was evident yesterday...looked rattled and not poised at all. Plus he doesn't run well. At least Gillett made it exciting.
I agree 100% Alex didn't just forget how to play QB this season, he has a proven track record, if they just tailored the offense to fit his strengths this team would be much more competitive. Benz is clueless out there.
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(10-07-2012 05:31 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(10-07-2012 03:22 PM)brknemu02 Wrote:  Changing QB's was not the answer; it is the offense they are running and the play calling that needs to change. Gillett is athletic and fast, so run the spread and/or option. The pro-style offense doesn't not fit with the personnel they have and its too complex for the newbie receivers. Gillett would thrive in an offense such as Toledo's, OSU's, MI's. You don't see Brady Hoke trying to force Robinson to sit in the pocket. They know his asset is running.

Gillett threw 3 TD passes and ran for one against Ball State, sooo? If EMU is to win, they need to put alot of points on the board because the Defense is so bad and they won't do it in this current offense.

Benz may throw a better ball but he's not the answer. that was evident yesterday...looked rattled and not poised at all. Plus he doesn't run well. At least Gillett made it exciting.
I agree 100% Alex didn't just forget how to play QB this season, he has a proven track record, if they just tailored the offense to fit his strengths this team would be much more competitive. Benz is clueless out there.
The problem is that defenses can stuff that offense.Alabama State shut Gillette down. save for one long scramble. So did ISU. Those are two FBS schools. Gillette is not a good QB. It has nothing to do with him “forgetting to play QB” but rather his lack of talent. Alex Gillette is a poor passer and he isn’t overly athletic. He isn’t fast nor particularly big. He has a mediocre arm.
The only offense he might be to run with some effectiveness is the triple option. But that was never in the works for EMU.

What happened is that teams caught up to Gillette. They saw that he was a one trick pony who was too limited as a passer to be much of a threat as a QB. The sooner EMU moves on from Gillette the better. He is Nick Sheridan.Lots of heart, but little physical talent.
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I agree 100% Alex didn't just forget how to play QB this season, he has a proven track record, if they just tailored the offense to fit his strengths this team would be much more competitive. Benz is clueless out there.
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Alex was one of the major weaknesses of last year's team -- primarily his inability to throw beyond 10 yards with accuracy. He has a track record as a liability.

Regardless of what you thnk about Benz, he needs to be the QB going forward. This season is over -- there's no reason to play a QB who won't be here next year. Let's see definitively whether Benz has what it takes to start next year or not.
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Benz was not the problem. Again this is definitely beating this same point into the ground over and over again, but it was the offensive scheme that was the problem. The most original thing that the offense attempted to do on Saturday was bring in Gillette as a change-up and have him run three QB runs. That was the extent of what it looked like the offense worked on for two weeks. When the game hit 24-7, the reason you started to see Benz looking a bit more rattled was the same exact reason you saw Gillette look rattled against Illinois State, they were forcing plays, trying to make something happen. (Of course I understand how this would drive some of you nuts, as I know how much you appreciate the run, run, run, punt philosophy) This was in spite of their offensive coordinator handicapping them the entire time as well. Outside of the one run that EMU scored their first touchdown on, how much success did EMU have running the ball at all? Not much. No Quarterback is going to have any success if they can't run the ball at all. That's the biggest difference between our team last year and this year's team, we had a running game to depend on and this year offensively, we've had NOTHING to depend on. The offensive line not blocking and the lack of a running game is not the fault of either QB. I think some of the problem is the fact that EMU has been trying to run these stretch runs all year trying to get the line to set some blocks up but it isn't working. I'd rather see us try to do more straight ahead running then these stretch plays that have failed miserably all year. Also, I honestly wouldn't mind seeing us rotating QB's a bit more often, especially if you start letting Gillette throw some and then have Benz run a bit more as well. Or hell, what if you had both QB's on the field at the same time?

Second off, I still maintain that the defense is not the problem with this team. I'll admit my case is hurt a quite a bit when EMU scored to make it 10-7 and then the defense goes out there and allows Kent State to move down the field on them killing the momentum at 17-7. However, then when you come out in the second half and give up a kickoff return for TD, more anemic play on offense and are down 24-7. The defense then goes out and stops Kent State and then Kent pulls off that fake punt which forces the defense back out there again on a quick change and Kent scores two plays later. Even at 31-7, the defense gives EMU's offense another opportunity when Cotton intercepts the pass and puts into plus territory in the 3rd quarter. Then incomplete pass, personal foul, incomplete pass.. and EMU is forced to punt. At that point, I don't quite know what else the defense can do.. and Kent just puts it in the hands of their speedster and he scores.

So honestly.. my assessment. We have an offense that can't run which leads us to being unable to pass as effectively. We have a special teams unit that gives up big plays and causes big plays against ourselves. Then we have a serviceable defense that is trying everything in their power to keep things close but then ultimately ends up wearing out in the second half. Bottom line. Our offense is pathetic and uncreative. Our special teams outside of our punter are hurting us and our defense is adequate. That's why we're 0-5.

Someone at one point made a suggestion of making a couple of the posters on this board in charge. I'm sure we could put together a team of 3 or 4 people here who could do the same amount of work that our offensive coordinator is doing(which from the looks of things is nothing). I'm going to be coming back for the game next week hoping and praying that some miracle will happen over the course of the next few days. I'm honestly glad that I stayed here for the homecoming for the school that I teach at currently here in Louisville, rather than my own(then again, they've also won 4 state championships in 5 years...)

It's also 27 days and counting until the EMU Basketball home exhibition opener. As much as it pains me to say as a much larger football fan than basketball, I'm ready for basketball season.
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wolverineeagle, Poor Passer? did you forget about Gillett's soph year against OSU? Didn't he threw for over 200 yds and 2 TD's and No TO's and split time with Payne. The kid has proven he can pass. "Gillett is not fast" - Forty in top 5 on the team i heard. Yes, teams caught up to Gillett he's been the only offense the team has had. They know what's coming. English stated in the paper that Gillett could start at Safety for them...he must have some athletic ability.
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(10-07-2012 08:04 PM)brknemu02 Wrote:  wolverineeagle, Poor Passer? did you forget about Gillett's soph year against OSU? Didn't he threw for over 200 yds and 2 TD's and No TO's and split time with Payne. The kid has proven he can pass. "Gillett is not fast" - Forty in top 5 on the team i heard. Yes, teams caught up to Gillett he's been the only offense the team has had. They know what's coming. English stated in the paper that Gillett could start at Safety for them...he must have some athletic ability.

Have you watched the kids games? He is not a good passer. Denard Robinson throws for 200 yds on a regular basis and I would not say he is a good passer. Gillette and Robinson are both subpar passers. Denard has the advantage of superior speed and athleticism.

Gillette is not that fast. I’ve seen him play. If he really is top 5 on the team than that is an indication of why this team is so bad.
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(10-07-2012 08:17 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  
(10-07-2012 08:04 PM)brknemu02 Wrote:  wolverineeagle, Poor Passer? did you forget about Gillett's soph year against OSU? Didn't he threw for over 200 yds and 2 TD's and No TO's and split time with Payne. The kid has proven he can pass. "Gillett is not fast" - Forty in top 5 on the team i heard. Yes, teams caught up to Gillett he's been the only offense the team has had. They know what's coming. English stated in the paper that Gillett could start at Safety for them...he must have some athletic ability.

Have you watched the kids games? He is not a good passer. Denard Robinson throws for 200 yds on a regular basis and I would not say he is a good passer. Gillette and Robinson are both subpar passers. Denard has the advantage of superior speed and athleticism.

Gillette is not that fast. I’ve seen him play. If he really is top 5 on the team than that is an indication of why this team is so bad.
Alex Gillett is a MUCH better athlete than you give him credit for and he is a decent passer. The way you describe him, I'm picturing Craig Morton or Rick Mirer! Have you not watched him run with the football the past 3 years? He is a nifty runner, shifty with great balance. He's not just running willy nilly and then sliding, he is strong and athletic with a great feel for reading blocks. Enough with the immobile, slow, unathletic white QB stereotype, it doesn't apply here. I have heard his 40 time is pretty impressive, in the 4.6, 4.5 range.

He also throws a nice tight spiral and it comes out of his hand efficiently. Had he not had some untimely drops early in the season, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. Just using the eye test, it is pretty evident who the more effective QB has been. I honestly do not see us winning a game this year with Tyler Benz starting.
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Alex is the better QB they have him playing the wrong offense for his abilities.
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Bob, I heard 4.4 but not sure how the timing was done. Emussuperfan, exactly!
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Dear Friends,
I find this conversation getting out of hand. Continued arguments of the strengths and weaknesses of either quarterback (in my opinion) are moot.
Eastern needs to look to next year, and that is why whether Eastern loses the rest of its games or not, one needs to play those that are returning. I haven't figured out why Eastern hasn't used both quarterbacks at the same time for a double pass or run scheme, as TheCrumbIsHere has suggested. It is not just Benz over Gillett. If I were coach of this team I would be putting other players in where seniors are playing, If they are not performing.
I know it would not happen over night, but I think a larger problem with going 0-12 this year is the integrity of the whole program. This would just be more fuel for those that want to eliminate football, and/or the whole division one philosophy. Remember, there is some justification for that argument If Eastern were to go winless this year, or only win one or two games.
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(10-08-2012 08:59 AM)mgsaar08 Wrote:  Bob, I heard 4.4 but not sure how the timing was done. Emussuperfan, exactly!
I heard he got re-timed and put up a 4.4 but I wasn't sure if it was official, but yeah, he's got some wheels, that's moving. And it's not straight- line speed that is most impressive to me, it's his moves and balance.
Not putting him in a suitable offense is a missed opportunity, I agree.
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(10-08-2012 09:00 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
I find this conversation getting out of hand. Continued arguments of the strengths and weaknesses of either quarterback (in my opinion) are moot.
Eastern needs to look to next year, and that is why whether Eastern loses the rest of its games or not, one needs to play those that are returning. I haven't figured out why Eastern hasn't used both quarterbacks at the same time for a double pass or run scheme, as TheCrumbIsHere has suggested. It is not just Benz over Gillett. If I were coach of this team I would be putting other players in where seniors are playing, If they are not performing.
I know it would not happen over night, but I think a larger problem with going 0-12 this year is the integrity of the whole program. This would just be more fuel for those that want to eliminate football, and/or the whole division one philosophy. Remember, there is some justification for that argument If Eastern were to go winless this year, or only win one or two games.
Ken, you just presented 2 seperate arguments! I agree with your second one. EMU football cannot afford to just look at next year. If we go winless (again!) the damage will be huge. It's all hands on deck, our bowl push this season is just trying to get a W, maybe 2. Gillett gives us the best chance, worry about next year, next year. Give Benz a fresh start, clean slate in 2013. To quote the great Jim Mora, "Playoffs? playoffs?...I just want to win a football game!"
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