(10-09-2012 05:49 AM)SpartanEagle Wrote:  

(10-09-2012 05:08 AM)cmadler Wrote:  Going back to the original question, whether its this year or next, I've long thought that EMU would do better to hire someone who's been successful as head coach at a lover level (FCS or even D-II). Think off it as the Jim Tressel/Pete Lembo model, as opposed to hiring a B1G assistant with no HC experience. There's a lot of good FCS and D-II football being played in the Midwest, and EMU needs to tap into dome of that experience.

There is plenty of good coaches across the country not even hired right now, however they might be more expensive than an FCS/D-II coach.

I stated in another post, that I think the Head Coach (Brock Spack} from Ill State would be a great fit.. He is very good at recruiting and you saw what his team done against us.. He may be able to bring his OC with him... Just a thought.. I still believe we need to look into a getting a OC..

(10-09-2012 05:08 AM)cmadler Wrote:  Going back to the original question, whether its this year or next, I've long thought that EMU would do better to hire someone who's been successful as head coach at a lover level (FCS or even D-II). Think off it as the Jim Tressel/Pete Lembo model, as opposed to hiring a B1G assistant with no HC experience. There's a lot of good FCS and D-II football being played in the Midwest, and EMU needs to tap into dome of that experience.

This is a tough argument to make.

I can't make an argument that FBS asst are better or worse than lowever division HCs.

Recently in the MAC we've had Lembo and Jerry Kill but we've also had Doren (NIU), Beckman (UT), Hazel (Kent), etc.

Doren was an asst at Wisconsin.

Beckman was an asst at Okla State.

Hazell was an asst at OSU.

If one wants to take this to the absurd um, English, Doran and Beckman were all BCS DCs. Doren is doing well and Beckman moved up to a BCS HC job (Illinois).

My post English idea (not saying I want to see him fired):

Pitch a reality show to a major network.
Get them to give a three year contract for the show.
Use the money from the show to hire John Gruden.
Let his efforts to build what many call the worst
Coaching job in America into a dynasty be the focus
Of the show. Bring in a solid head coaching candidate
To groom on the staff and have him waiting in the
Wings if things blow up.

Big name coach who loves to Coach and loves to do
TV. Give him the best of both worlds with the challenge
That seems to be out of this world for most.

National exposure for the program.
America loves an underdog.
It could work...
No?

I think I agree with Steve. Someone that really wants to be a head coach will embrace their opportunity here. Plenty of successful coaches in non-AQ conferences came from the AQs. We just need to find a focused, devoted guy with the right football sense, and can get a quality staff at Eastern. English may just have not been that guy.

Call me crazy, but I still think English is the correct guy for us...

I still believe in him but not the OC which I guess is the major reason everyone is so upset..

If our OC leaves or is fired at the end of the season will everyone give our HC another year to turn things around?

+1

Coach E has provided the upgrades necessary for success. We're just not there yet due to:

1) Tough schedule
2) OC -
3) Key players underperforming

I'm not ready to start over

(10-10-2012 12:46 PM)Huron Boy Wrote:  +1

Coach E has provided the upgrades necessary for success. We're just not there yet due to:

1) Tough schedule
2) OC -
3) Key players underperforming

I'm not ready to start over

I agree with KPJ in that I am not yet ready to kick English to the curb...yet.

The absolute main sources for problems with this team is not who is starting at QB, or the play of the OL, or...it is:

1) The OC (Ken Karcher);
2) The OC;
3) Ron English as head coach is the "Captain of the ship" and allows/directs the OC/Karcher to do what he is doing; and
4) Bizarre game time coaching decisions. (See my recent comments on the Kent State thread.)

- Our offensive play calls are so predictable I have sat by elementary school aged kids who predict the upcoming play correctly 70-80% of the time!

- The other team KNOWS we almost always run the same rushing plays on 1st and 2nd down and pack the box with 8-9 guys for our 5-6 on the OL to block! Impossible to succeed. (1st down run between the left guard/tackle sound familiar anyone?)

- Almost every play the other team's defense not only has 8-9 in the box but also all 11 within 5-8 yards of the line of scrimmage. This means our WR's are getting bumped quickly and the QB is pressured to throw before the WR's have time to seperate. Drops by the receivers have not helped our Qb's shine either...

- The predictable offense means a LOT of three and outs and this puts huge pressure on the EMU defense who is forced on the field far too frequently by the quick offensive series . They tire out.

- The OC (Karcher) and English, as others have said seem stubborn to put together an offensive package catered to the skills of the players we have instead of the skills the coaches WANT our players to have.

- When Gillete is in the game he ought to be running the option about 1/2 the time with passes developing from it and also a lot of roll outs to give Gillete or Benz time to let the receivers run their routes. Sitting in the pocket given what I mentioned above is suicide for our offense!

English and his coaching staff also BETTER STOP THROWING THE PLAYERS UNDER THE BUS! Quit placing all the blame on the players Ron and look in the mirror and have your coaching staff look in the mirror.

Ron English has quickly become a Jeff Genyk clone in that regard....blaming the players exclusively and never personally taking any responsibility for the woes of the team.

Blaming the players exclusively is a great, quick, and irreperable way to lose the trust and will of the players.

Unfortunately, English kept Karcher on for 4 years and couldn't see that Karcher's poor play calling is bringing him (English) down. May cost him his job.

(10-10-2012 01:47 PM)DPW Wrote:  - The OC (Karcher) and English, as others have said seem stubborn to put together an offensive package catered to the skills of the players we have instead of the skills the coaches WANT our players to have.

- When Gillete is in the game he ought to be running the option about 1/2 the time with passes developing from it and also a lot of roll outs to give Gillete or Benz time to let the receivers run their routes. Sitting in the pocket given what I mentioned above is suicide for our offense!

English and his coaching staff also BETTER STOP THROWING THE PLAYERS UNDER THE BUS! Quit placing all the blame on the players Ron and look in the mirror and have your coaching staff look in the mirror.

^^^This.

I remember going back to the Illinois State game, I thought Gillett looked pretty good (passing included) when he rolled out, but looked completely lost as a pocket passer. I specifically asked about this after the game, and English's response was, "I think he got unnerved early. Their one rush end was up the field all the time. They have some good players up there…He started trying to do to much." In other words, instead of acknowledging what we've all seen over the past three-plus years -- that Gillett has some pretty good football skills, but great pocket passer is not among them -- and recognizing that he and/or Karcher had drawn up a flawed game plan, he blamed the player for failing to execute.

I'm not willing to kick English to the curb because I know he'll be back for next year regardless of what he does this year.

The team is underperforming as a WHOLE not just the offense play calling. The fundementals ie special team's play, offensive line, defensive line are key areas along with limited options at QB. Ultimately English and staff know which players are going and what their needs are and its up to them to recruit to fill the holes. With a few limited exceptions English has tried to recruit impact defensive line personnel ever since his first recruiting class and hasn't gotten immediate impact players. Guys like Slater, Brent O, Reese were guys from Genyk's classes and it was a good mix which is missing this year.

When I hear English talk post game this year I get the same feeling of lack of confidence I got his first two years here-ie no disrespect but the deer in the headlight answers.

(10-11-2012 04:33 AM)emu79 Wrote:  I'm not willing to kick English to the curb because I know he'll be back for next year regardless of what he does this year.

The team is underperforming as a WHOLE not just the offense play calling. The fundementals ie special team's play, offensive line, defensive line are key areas along with limited options at QB. Ultimately English and staff know which players are going and what their needs are and its up to them to recruit to fill the holes. With a few limited exceptions English has tried to recruit impact defensive line personnel ever since his first recruiting class and hasn't gotten immediate impact players. Guys like Slater, Brent O, Reese were guys from Genyk's classes and it was a good mix which is missing this year.

When I hear English talk post game this year I get the same feeling of lack of confidence I got his first two years here-ie no disrespect but the deer in the headlight answers.

I agree that we should keep our current HC, one of the reasons I am saying this is because I should had kept my 1st wife and try to work with what I had.. I would had probably been better off. Not to knock my current wife, I am just saying...

I pray my current wife never see this posting...

(10-11-2012 10:49 AM)NUPudge Wrote:  I agree that we should keep our current HC, one of the reasons I am saying this is because I should had kept my 1st wife and try to work with what I had.. I would had probably been better off. Not to knock my current wife, I am just saying...

I pray my current wife never see this posting...

ahahhahahaha oh man i hope your current wife doesn't see this.

(10-11-2012 10:24 PM)EMUAARON Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 10:49 AM)NUPudge Wrote:  I agree that we should keep our current HC, one of the reasons I am saying this is because I should had kept my 1st wife and try to work with what I had.. I would had probably been better off. Not to knock my current wife, I am just saying...

I pray my current wife never see this posting...

ahahhahahaha oh man i hope your current wife doesn't see this.

He might get more than a -3 rating from her.

(10-11-2012 11:24 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 10:24 PM)EMUAARON Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 10:49 AM)NUPudge Wrote:  I agree that we should keep our current HC, one of the reasons I am saying this is because I should had kept my 1st wife and try to work with what I had.. I would had probably been better off. Not to knock my current wife, I am just saying...

I pray my current wife never see this posting...

ahahhahahaha oh man i hope your current wife doesn't see this.

He might get more than a -3 rating from her.

I was worng for posting that, now I am scared that she may kick my ass if she see this posting..

Pudge, wow man! Haha.