Does the added perception of a Confrence Champion, determined by a Championship game matter?

I seem to recall that the selection comitte for the new playoffs whould take that into account when determining who goes where.

I think we all know that a Confrence Championship game at this time will be a money and attendnace loser. The question is will it be a perception winner?

(09-28-2012 03:01 PM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  

(09-28-2012 12:07 PM)slycat Wrote:  I don't see how they aren't invited. I get the logic of a 10 team conference. But a 12 team could split into divisions and would help even more with travel cost.

Um.....we'll already have divisions for every sport except football. UALR and UTA make 12.

12 in football gets you to a championship game. It doesn't really save you any travel costs.

And, it's only been a few months since we added two teams and made it pretty clear we were done for now. And, the previous poster who reminded everyone we don't need, perception wise, two more startup FBS programs is correct.

It's possible GSU and App St will be members of the Sun Belt one day. But that day isn't on the horizon as of yet.

We're already members

(09-28-2012 02:49 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-28-2012 02:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm not so sure about expanding at this time.

Here's my view.


Pros of adding Appy and Ga Southern

1) Additional championship game will help revenue and competition
2) Blocks CUSA from Georgia.
3) Provides an instant rival for Georgia State. That rivalry would be nasty. I see 40k plus in the Dome for a Ga Southern/Ga State FBS tilt (Mostly Ga Southern fans)
4) Gives the SBC the ability to add Appy

Cons

1) Texas State, USA, and Georgia State aren't up to speed yet. Going from 3 to FIVE moveups might be a bit rough
2) Probably dilutes the product at a time when the SBC is finally making a few waves
3) Forces divisional splits in the conference, with a likely much weaker Eastern Division.
4) Neither Georgia Southern nor Appy are particularly close to any SBC team.

GSU and App State are light years ahead of USA and GaState when in comes to football. Both would be at the top in attendance, and in the standings. Would give more strength to SunBelt both in actual, and in perception.

Between them, you have 9 FCS National Championship, plus big name recognition.

FCS success does not equal an easy transition to FBS.

(09-28-2012 03:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-28-2012 02:49 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-28-2012 02:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm not so sure about expanding at this time.

Here's my view.


Pros of adding Appy and Ga Southern

1) Additional championship game will help revenue and competition
2) Blocks CUSA from Georgia.
3) Provides an instant rival for Georgia State. That rivalry would be nasty. I see 40k plus in the Dome for a Ga Southern/Ga State FBS tilt (Mostly Ga Southern fans)
4) Gives the SBC the ability to add Appy

Cons

1) Texas State, USA, and Georgia State aren't up to speed yet. Going from 3 to FIVE moveups might be a bit rough
2) Probably dilutes the product at a time when the SBC is finally making a few waves
3) Forces divisional splits in the conference, with a likely much weaker Eastern Division.
4) Neither Georgia Southern nor Appy are particularly close to any SBC team.

GSU and App State are light years ahead of USA and GaState when in comes to football. Both would be at the top in attendance, and in the standings. Would give more strength to SunBelt both in actual, and in perception.

Between them, you have 9 FCS National Championship, plus big name recognition.

FCS success does not equal an easy transition to FBS.

That point should be stickied. Move up equals restart.

Adding Ga Southern and App State would likely secure that the Sun Belt will pass CUSA on the field. Both will at worse be solid football teams and at best have the potential to do as much or more than anyone in the Sun Belt. Also, the Sun Belt locks the CUSA out of the state of Georgia which is the 4th best state in the country in recruiting. That would me tons of more exposure for the conference in GA over CUSA and help all the schools in recruiting.

Given that the CUSA has to be concerned about being passed by the SB on the field, do they pursue Ga Southern and App to block the Sun Belt?

(09-28-2012 03:06 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  Does the added perception of a Confrence Champion, determined by a Championship game matter?

I seem to recall that the selection comitte for the new playoffs whould take that into account when determining who goes where.

I think we all know that a Confrence Championship game at this time will be a money and attendnace loser. The question is will it be a perception winner?

I think if they don't make the mistake of trying to host it on a neutral site I think it would be a winner. Think about... Big Least and CUSA hosting boring neurtal site games with >15,000 in attendance... or the SBC packing the house with two regional rivals in an intense matchup. Exciting games and big attendances speak volumes for the league in terms of perception.

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CUSA is not neutral site

(09-28-2012 03:24 PM)panama Wrote:  That point should be stickied. Move up equals restart.

No way that is true. Will there be struggles sure. Will there be bumps in the road, absolutely. I am not saying we could come in an dominate, but we won't have to restart anything. Just need to time to bring in some more quality recruits with the additional scholarships. Depth would be a problem for us initially.

(09-28-2012 03:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-28-2012 02:49 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-28-2012 02:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm not so sure about expanding at this time.

Here's my view.


Pros of adding Appy and Ga Southern

1) Additional championship game will help revenue and competition
2) Blocks CUSA from Georgia.
3) Provides an instant rival for Georgia State. That rivalry would be nasty. I see 40k plus in the Dome for a Ga Southern/Ga State FBS tilt (Mostly Ga Southern fans)
4) Gives the SBC the ability to add Appy

Cons

1) Texas State, USA, and Georgia State aren't up to speed yet. Going from 3 to FIVE moveups might be a bit rough
2) Probably dilutes the product at a time when the SBC is finally making a few waves
3) Forces divisional splits in the conference, with a likely much weaker Eastern Division.
4) Neither Georgia Southern nor Appy are particularly close to any SBC team.

GSU and App State are light years ahead of USA and GaState when in comes to football. Both would be at the top in attendance, and in the standings. Would give more strength to SunBelt both in actual, and in perception.

Between them, you have 9 FCS National Championship, plus big name recognition.

FCS success does not equal an easy transition to FBS.

The only top 5 all time FCS program that has moved up is Marshall and they lost a couple of games their first two years. Ga Southern, App State, Delaware, Montana are all still FCS.

Troy, WKU and FAU were all successful in pretty short order after moving up. I don't think it would take App. St. and Ga. So. very long to be competitive in any of the SBC, MAC, CUSA, BE or MWC.

(09-28-2012 02:58 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  This is great news! I'm all for adding Georgia State

1.South Alabama
2.Troy
3.Georgia Southern
4.Troy
5.FAU
6.App State

1.Middle Tenn
2.WKU
3.UL
4.ULM
5.ASU
6.Texas State

Everyone gets three cross division games but Troy gets protected rivalry with Middle Tenn and Middle gets to be in the same division with WKU. Woola everyone is happy.

Everyone is happy? What the hell kind of map are you looking at?

Let's compare the MT/WKU and Troy/USA to the other four schools in each division.

East division

Atlanta
Troy-199 miles
Murfreesboro-216 miles
Bowling Green 313 miles
Mobile 329 miles

Pretty much a wash, Troy is a little closer than Murfreesboro, but Bowling Green is a little closer than Mobile

Statesboro
Troy-298 miles
Murfreesboro-425 miles
Mobile-465 miles
Bowling Breen-522 miles

Troy/USA are closer

Boca Raton
Troy-602 miles
Mobile-682 miles
Murfreesboro-839 miles
Bowling Green-936 miles

Troy/USA are considerably closer

Boone
Murfreesboro-337 miles
Bowling Green 378 miles
Troy-500 miles
Mobile-630 miles

MT/WKU are considerably closer

If you just compare to the east, Troy/USA to the east makes perfect sense.

West division

Lafayette
Mobile-256 miles
Troy-425 miles
Murfreesboro-647 miles
Bowling Green-710 miles

Troy/USA are considerably closer

Monroe
Mobile-303 miles
Troy-407 miles
Murfreesboro-546 miles
Bowling Green-597 miles

Troy/USA are considerably closer

San Marcos
Mobile-631 miles
Troy-800 miles
Murfreesboro-932 miles
Bowling Green-965 miles

Jonesboro
Murfreesboro-313 miles
Bowling Green-323 miles
Troy-443 miles
Mobile-452 miles

MT/WKU are closer

Troy/USA might be a slightly better fit in the east than MT/WKU, but Troy/USA are a much better fit in the west than MT/WKU.

East school's average trips:
Troy-399.75 miles
Murfreesboro-454.25 miles
Mobile-526.5 miles
Bowling Green-537.25

West school's average trips:
Mobile-410.5 miles
Troy-518.75 miles
Murfreesboro-609.5 miles
Bowling Green-648.75 miles

The other thing to keep in mind is that the west schools will not be happy about two additions east of the Mississippi river, you think they'll be happy to have increased travel to boot? No. Troy/USA will be in the West, MT/WKU will be in the East.

(09-28-2012 03:28 PM)Seven Would Be Nice Wrote:  

(09-28-2012 03:06 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  Does the added perception of a Confrence Champion, determined by a Championship game matter?

I seem to recall that the selection comitte for the new playoffs whould take that into account when determining who goes where.

I think we all know that a Confrence Championship game at this time will be a money and attendnace loser. The question is will it be a perception winner?

I think if they don't make the mistake of trying to host it on a neutral site I think it would be a winner. Think about... Big Least and CUSA hosting boring neurtal site games with >15,000 in attendance... or the SBC packing the house with two regional rivals in an intense matchup. Exciting games and big attendances speak volumes for the league in terms of perception.

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C-USA plays on a home field and if the Big East ever manages to get 12 schools in their conference at the same time, so will they.

(09-28-2012 02:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm not so sure about expanding at this time.

Here's my view.


Pros of adding Appy and Ga Southern

1) Additional championship game will help revenue and competition
2) Blocks CUSA from Georgia.
3) Provides an instant rival for Georgia State. That rivalry would be nasty. I see 40k plus in the Dome for a Ga Southern/Ga State FBS tilt (Mostly Ga Southern fans)
4) Gives the SBC the ability to add Appy

Cons

1) Texas State, USA, and Georgia State aren't up to speed yet. Going from 3 to FIVE moveups might be a bit rough
2) Probably dilutes the product at a time when the SBC is finally making a few waves
3) Forces divisional splits in the conference, with a likely much weaker Eastern Division.
4) Neither Georgia Southern nor Appy are particularly close to any SBC team.

How does us taking Georgia Southern block C-USA from Georgia? C-USA was neeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvver going to take Georgia Southern. If they decide they want to be in Georgia, they'll invite Georgia State who would very likely accept.

Guys, if we add App and GSU, there is no fair way to divide the league on an East/West format.

It will probably be North/South


South

Texas State/ Louisiana

South Al/Troy

GSU/FAU


North

Arkansas State/ULM

MT/WKU

Georgia State/App St

(09-28-2012 03:46 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  Troy, WKU and FAU were all successful in pretty short order after moving up. I don't think it would take App. St. and Ga. So. very long to be competitive in any of the SBC, MAC, CUSA, BE or MWC.

Would the Sun Belt take App State and Ga Southern to keep them out of play for CUSA? These two are are better than at least half if not more of cusa's recent additions and likely wouldn't have near the 'growing pains' that gsu, south al, and even tx state are going to experience in the Sun Belt.

(09-28-2012 04:26 PM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  Would the Sun Belt take App State and Ga Southern to keep them out of play for CUSA? These two are are better than at least half if not more of cusa's recent additions and likely wouldn't have near the 'growing pains' that gsu, south al, and even tx state are going to experience in the Sun Belt.

I think the only way CUSA even looks at us is if they feel very strongly they need a school in Georgia

(09-28-2012 04:32 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  

(09-28-2012 04:26 PM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  Would the Sun Belt take App State and Ga Southern to keep them out of play for CUSA? These two are are better than at least half if not more of cusa's recent additions and likely wouldn't have near the 'growing pains' that gsu, south al, and even tx state are going to experience in the Sun Belt.

I think the only way CUSA even looks at us is if they feel very strongly they need a school in Georgia

Sometimes it is strange the way things can play out and how variables changing can create situations that nobody saw coming.

CUSA allowing the Sun Belt to have a lock on Georgia could be a major problem for them given that this is the 2nd largest state with the 2nd most talent in the South only behind Florida.

So the choice for them now is to allow the Sun Belt to have GA or add Ga State or Ga Southern. Given the debacle that is emerging at Ga State, I doubt they can take Ga State. Do they want their brand tarnished by articles of an empty dome with 3,000 fans in attendance? So are they now in a position that they may have to take Ga Southern to block the Sun Belt?

Interesting.

(09-28-2012 02:58 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  This is great news! I'm all for adding Georgia State

1.South Alabama
2.Troy
3.Georgia Southern
4.Troy
5.FAU
6.App State

1.Middle Tenn
2.WKU
3.UL
4.ULM
5.ASU
6.Texas State

Everyone gets three cross division games but Troy gets protected rivalry with Middle Tenn and Middle gets to be in the same division with WKU. Woola everyone is happy.

What did Troy do to get have 2 teams? Some NCAA rule we dont know about?

Damn, we lost our name in one thread

Proves that Troy gets around. Would give them a double shot each year. Surprised they weren't East and West.