(09-17-2012 09:43 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  We are a passing team, and we did plenty of that against yall. Here is the ESPN stats for the game: http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=322522653 . Almost 600 yards of offense two weeks in a row.

Neither team dominated. UL did better running the ball and Troy did better through the air. But AstroCajun said that Larry got flat-out outcoached, which simply isn't true. Our turnovers were the the difference-maker and yall capitalized on 'em. The Cajuns played a good game, but Troy is a better team IMHO. We are also a better team than Miss State, but again, the turnovers are killing us this season and until that problem is fixed our talent and ability will be neutralized.

I didn't agree with CajunAstros comments of Blakeney being out coached. That being said, do you deny anything I just said? Because the stats also support everthing I just stated as well. The fact remains that UL physically dominated both lines, stopping the run and running the ball. So if UL beat Troy running the ball, stopping the run and played better special teams, exactly which phase of the game did Troy win besides passing yards? Anyway you spin it, you shouldn't have won the game.

(09-17-2012 10:12 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Like I said, turnovers are killing us. We are running up huge offensive numbers on folks, but we keep losing. Got to get the fumbles and INTs under control or you're right, we'll be the best 1-11 team in America.

What is Troy's turnover margin this year. Like -10 to the power of 3??. Your right about what's costing games. At this rate Troy will hold the NCAA record for 90 yard drives and a fumble.

(09-17-2012 10:35 PM)garmen Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 10:12 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Like I said, turnovers are killing us. We are running up huge offensive numbers on folks, but we keep losing. Got to get the fumbles and INTs under control or you're right, we'll be the best 1-11 team in America.

What is Troy's turnover margin this year. Like -10 to the power of 3??. Your right about what's costing games. At this rate Troy will hold the NCAA record for 90 yard drives and a fumble.

We might give them a run in that category. We have 9 turnovers already this year.

(09-17-2012 11:06 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 10:35 PM)garmen Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 10:12 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Like I said, turnovers are killing us. We are running up huge offensive numbers on folks, but we keep losing. Got to get the fumbles and INTs under control or you're right, we'll be the best 1-11 team in America.

What is Troy's turnover margin this year. Like -10 to the power of 3??. Your right about what's costing games. At this rate Troy will hold the NCAA record for 90 yard drives and a fumble.

We might give them a run in that category. We have 9 turnovers already this year.

Actually BIR, Troy and USA are tied with 9 turnovers on the year. Only 4 teams have more.

(09-17-2012 11:11 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 11:06 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 10:35 PM)garmen Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 10:12 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Like I said, turnovers are killing us. We are running up huge offensive numbers on folks, but we keep losing. Got to get the fumbles and INTs under control or you're right, we'll be the best 1-11 team in America.

What is Troy's turnover margin this year. Like -10 to the power of 3??. Your right about what's costing games. At this rate Troy will hold the NCAA record for 90 yard drives and a fumble.

We might give them a run in that category. We have 9 turnovers already this year.

Actually BIR, Troy and USA are tied with 9 turnovers on the year. Only 4 teams have more.

Well, see, we are giving them a run then.

(09-17-2012 10:25 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  exactly which phase of the game did Troy win besides passing yards? Anyway you spin it, you shouldn't have won the game.

We had 528 yards of passing, that in itself should be enough to dominate ANY team. We didn't win, yall did...and I give yall credit for it, but with the offensive numbers we put up, I feel it is safe to say we could/should have won this one. We HAVE to cut down on our turnovers, that is the only thing keeping us from a 3-0 record and possibly a ranking at this point. As a Troy fan, I am banging my head against the wall at the stupid mistake our boys are making that cost us the W.

This team is as good as any we have fielded in the past talent-wise, we just can't seem to keep the ball off the turf. Troy is back as far as talent is concerned, once we figure out how to hold on to the ball the rest of yall are in deep doo-doo.

(09-17-2012 10:42 AM)AstroCajun Wrote:  At this point in time:
1. Willie Taggart, WKU -
2. Todd Berry, ULM
3. Mark Hudspeth, UL-Lafayette
4. Larry Blakeney, Troy
5. Dan McCarney, UNT
6. Mario Cristobal, FIU
7. Gus Malzahn, ASU
8. Rick Stockstill, MTSU
9. Carl Pellini, FAU
10. Joey Jones, USA

Blakeney was flat out outcoached on the field with his name on it by Hud. The OSU game doesn't change that fact.

I'd put ULM first if Berry would have went for two on either of the two tying drives in regulation.

You are correct but only in that our offensive coordinator went into brain funk.....so out coaching Larry is correct since he put Edenfield there.......did better against MSU.....hoping for that type of game against UNT.

(09-17-2012 11:26 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 10:25 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  exactly which phase of the game did Troy win besides passing yards? Anyway you spin it, you shouldn't have won the game.

We had 528 yards of passing, that in itself should be enough to dominate ANY team. We didn't win, yall did...and I give yall credit for it, but with the offensive numbers we put up, I feel it is safe to say we could/should have won this one. We HAVE to cut down on our turnovers, that is the only thing keeping us from a 3-0 record and possibly a ranking at this point. As a Troy fan, I am banging my head against the wall at the stupid mistake our boys are making that cost us the W.

This team is as good as any we have fielded in the past talent-wise, we just can't seem to keep the ball off the turf. Troy is back as far as talent is concerned, once we figure out how to hold on to the ball the rest of yall are in deep doo-doo.

Okay, I get that but some of you guys continue to come on this board and act as if UL didn't win the game handly because Robinson threw for over 500 yards. Had the Cajuns not dropped 2 Td's in the endzone, they would have scored 51 points and Robinson would have still passed for over 500 yards. You don't win games by just chunking the ball around the football field, you win by playing well in all three phases of the game. As I stated, the Cajuns ran the ball, stopped Southall from running, played great special teams and won the turnover battle. That will get you a win 99% of the time.

If you go back and watch the game, Hudspeth was willing to let Robinson throw the ball underneath all night long because he committed to stopping the run. UL played a two deep zone and Troy had three plays over 20-yards and that is it! Robinson dumped the ball off underneath all night long and because of UL's special teams started a number of drives deep in its on side of the field. While I know Hudspeth was not happy about giving up 500-yards passing, Robinson does get some credit for hitting his receivers even when he was under pressure. But he was more then willing to let Troy burn the clock driving 80 yards per possession once he got the lead.

The season is not over for Troy if they win this week. But you guys continue to make yourselves look bad by the nonesense that you have repeated on the board. You were beat and physically manhandled on both lines. The Cajuns have done it two straight years to Troy.

That's cool CrazyCajun, I'm not arguing with you. My issue was with AstroCajun who claimed Hudspeth outcoached Larry, and that Blakeney somehow just couldn't hang with Hudspeth on an intellectual level as a coach. Those were not his exact words, but that is how it read and that is wrong.

Troy lost because we coughed the ball up, not because UL had some kind of dominating performance that our players couldn't stop and our coaches couldn't comprehend. Talent-wise, Troy was better than UL...so kudos to yall for playing up to us and beating my Trojans. I think Hudspeth is a great coach, and along with Blakeney, is one of the best in the Conference.

(09-17-2012 11:26 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 10:25 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  exactly which phase of the game did Troy win besides passing yards? Anyway you spin it, you shouldn't have won the game.

We had 528 yards of passing, that in itself should be enough to dominate ANY team. We didn't win, yall did...and I give yall credit for it, but with the offensive numbers we put up, I feel it is safe to say we could/should have won this one. We HAVE to cut down on our turnovers, that is the only thing keeping us from a 3-0 record and possibly a ranking at this point. As a Troy fan, I am banging my head against the wall at the stupid mistake our boys are making that cost us the W.

This team is as good as any we have fielded in the past talent-wise, we just can't seem to keep the ball off the turf. Troy is back as far as talent is concerned, once we figure out how to hold on to the ball the rest of yall are in deep doo-doo.

A great deal of that 500 yards came in the second half, when we were letting the underneath stuff go. With the lead we had, trading yards for minutes was a fair trade.

But, you can't have it both ways. Before the Troy game, all the talk was how you'd run the ball down our throats.

Well, you didn't.

Why?

Coaching.

Our bad performance at OSU doesn't discount that.

No, yall sold out to stop the run...THAT is why yall were able to do it. Coaching went as far as deciding to do that, it wasn't some ingenious play from the sidelines.

A good team will take what the defense gives them, which is what we did. We wanted to run the ball, but yall had that stopped, so we threw it all over yall. That's what champions do. Of course we turned the ball over 3 times and it killed us. Same thing that happened against Miss State.

So, maybe it was Larry who outcoached Hudspeth. He saw what was happening and adjusted the game-plan mid-game to compensate. Can't help that individuals coughed up the rock, that is not something a coach can do anything about during the game.

(09-18-2012 11:21 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Troy lost because we coughed the ball up, not because UL had some kind of dominating performance that our players couldn't stop and our coaches couldn't comprehend. Talent-wise, Troy was better than UL...so kudos to yall for playing up to us and beating my Trojans. I think Hudspeth is a great coach, and along with Blakeney, is one of the best in the Conference.

I'm not sure how you can make the claim that Troy is better than UL talent wise. But, we went to your place and if not for a late TD you scored would have beat you by 20.

TOs are part of the game and a D can force them as much as an O can give them up. For not having the same talent, the Cajuns have certainly done well the last two years.

Also, we ran the ball down your throats and you could not stop that.

Where I come from, the scoreboard used to say who the better team was

There's no point in continuing this argument, yall won. I simply feel we have better talent, but I doubt yall will agree with me so it's moot.

(09-18-2012 11:42 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  There's no point in continuing this argument, yall won. I simply feel we have better talent, but I doubt yall will agree with me so it's moot.

All subjective podnuh. All we have is the final score. Win the rest of em.

Z

(09-18-2012 11:41 AM)slappycajun Wrote:  

(09-18-2012 11:21 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Troy lost because we coughed the ball up, not because UL had some kind of dominating performance that our players couldn't stop and our coaches couldn't comprehend. Talent-wise, Troy was better than UL...so kudos to yall for playing up to us and beating my Trojans. I think Hudspeth is a great coach, and along with Blakeney, is one of the best in the Conference.

I'm not sure how you can make the claim that Troy is better than UL talent wise. But, we went to your place and if not for a late TD you scored would have beat you by 20.

TOs are part of the game and a D can force them as much as an O can give them up. For not having the same talent, the Cajuns have certainly done well the last two years.

Also, we ran the ball down your throats and you could not stop that.

Where I come from, the scoreboard used to say who the better team was

You would think so Slappy. But his rantings sure make the Troy crowd look small don't it! They can have their offensive rantings I will take the two back to back beat downs and snapping Old Larry's 21 year winning streak in home openers. Hows that for being out coached!

(09-18-2012 11:44 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(09-18-2012 11:42 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  There's no point in continuing this argument, yall won. I simply feel we have better talent, but I doubt yall will agree with me so it's moot.

All subjective podnuh. All we have is the final score. Win the rest of em.

Z

Nothing subjective about two beat downs in back to back years Zee.

Man come on BTH we lost, drop it. UL you guys played a great game, and we have had some great competition with you guys the past few years and I hope we can continue that for a long time to come. You guys have built a great program down there, Good luck with the rest of your season. GO SBC

(09-18-2012 11:29 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  No, yall sold out to stop the run...THAT is why yall were able to do it. Coaching went as far as deciding to do that, it wasn't some ingenious play from the sidelines.

A good team will take what the defense gives them, which is what we did. We wanted to run the ball, but yall had that stopped, so we threw it all over yall. That's what champions do. Of course we turned the ball over 3 times and it killed us. Same thing that happened against Miss State.

So, maybe it was Larry who outcoached Hudspeth. He saw what was happening and adjusted the game-plan mid-game to compensate. Can't help that individuals coughed up the rock, that is not something a coach can do anything about during the game.

That all being said, I'm a huge Troy fan this week. Go beat UNT.