Totally agree..

I mean last year
playoffs- Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma St, Oregon
Rose- Stanford vs Wisconsin
Champions- Arkansas vs Kansas St
Orange- Clemson vs Michigan

you have WV locked into one of the other 5 bowls.

7 more teams-
ACC- Va Tech
MWC- Boise St
SEC- South Carolina, Georgia
Big Ten- Michigan St
Big 12- Baylor, Oklahoma

right there now- you have 1-17, and 23 taken.... and you have 2 more slots. Probably 18 TCU and 20 Nebraska.

top teams left for the bowls:
#19 Houston
#21 So Miss
#22 Penn St
#24 Texas
#25 Auburn

that's only top 25 teams not in the BCS.

(09-17-2012 04:31 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  As I understand it, the OB is negotiating to be one of the bowl tie-ins that replaces the Rose Bowl/Champions Bowl when it is hosting the NC game, so one of the two of us misunderstands what is going on. Either way, worst case scenario, the ACC gets the #2/3 B1G team, whereas the Champions Bowl gets the #3 SEC team. Does South Carolina/Arkansas really get better ratings than Michigan?

I think that we'll be ok.

I don't believe the ACC is in the driver seat here - no conference is going to turn their back on their own tie-in to play in the ACC controlled Orange Bowl... I don't think the Orange Bowl will know its money or opponents until after the other Bowl Contracts are finalized and the BCS access bowls contracts are determined.

We do not know which program from any conference will line-up with any bowl and thus not know the type of television ratings possible when multi-year contracts are signed. So ratings mean little to me when looking at this going into the negotiations - we want the best match-ups and highest ranked opponents.

My concern is about ACC perception... having our Champion facing likely the third place team most years from another conference looks real bad for the strength and perception of the whole ACC as if our champion isn't as good as the others... then if we lose, its an even bigger blow! I'd rather the Orange Bowl just pick from a ranked pool, not limited to tie-ins with potentially the SEC/B1G 3rd ranked members most years.

(09-18-2012 12:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-18-2012 11:14 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  You can call them "major" bowls if you want but the networks are not going to pay "major" dollars unless they can get major ratings. It's going to be the same bowls with a slightly better payout, the same teams and the same time slots, but with a more important sounding name.

last year would have seen Oklahoma, Baylor, and Michigan St in those 2 extra games. Tell me a game with a Heisman Trophy winner wouldn't have gotten good ratings.

I do think those teams would have gotten good ratings. I don't think the Heisman winner has any effect on ratings.

What I meant was closer to what ChrisL said. It was presented like the additional bowls were for the benefit of the "other" conferences. You can call it a major bowl but once you tie in that "other" conference the payout will go way down.

I think ChrisL is correct. The big 4/5 saw there was money left on the table so they decided to add a couple more bowls. I don't think this will benefit the "other" conferences. It might actually hurt them.

I was kind of off- it'd be 8 bowls plus title game, not 10 bowls plus title game...

of the 16
SEC 4(Ala,LSU,Ark,SC)
B10 2(Wisc,Mich)
B12 4(Okla St, Kan St, Okla, Baylor)
P12 2(Ore, Stan)
ACC 2(Clem, VT)
BE 1 (WV)
MWC 1(Boise)

the 4 teams added with this- Okla, Baylor, VT, WV. If BE not an auto spot(which still left to be determined-we'll see if they're given contract status here)- a Mich St would be added in their place.

Something else that anti-ACC propagandists have gotten COMPLETELY WRONG: the notion that the Orange Bowl will get less than $80 million per year. There are at least 3 good reasons why the Orange bowl media rights will be worth as much or MORE than the other 2 bowls...

1) Larger pool of teams to draw from - instead of always the same 2 conferences, it can be ACC vs SEC, Big Ten, or even Notre Dame. Variety = $$$
2) Last to negotiate - Rose & "Champions" have already signed w/ ESPN for $80M each. OB can go to open market, where NBC may bid it up
3) More semi-finals - Rose & "Champions" have stated they only want 3 semis each every 12 year cycle - since one semi must be a contract bowl, that leaves 6 for the Orange; while there is no doubt Rose & "Champions" will have good ratings, they won't beat the semi-finals! Less semis for Rose & "Champions" bowls means more semis - and more $$$ - for the Orange bowl, and therefore for the ACC.

EDIT: I could also see a scenario where the ACC agrees to sign the Orange Bowl with ESPN w/o taking it to the open market, in exchange for increasing the regular season TV contract to $20 million per team per year, or some such deal...

(09-19-2012 11:35 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Something else that anti-ACC propagandists have gotten COMPLETELY WRONG: the notion that the Orange Bowl will get less than $80 million per year. There are at least 3 good reasons why the Orange bowl media rights will be worth as much or MORE than the other 2 bowls...

1) Larger pool of teams to draw from - instead of always the same 2 conferences, it can be ACC vs SEC, Big Ten, or even Notre Dame. Variety = $$$
2) Last to negotiate - Rose & "Champions" have already signed w/ ESPN for $80M each. OB can go to open market, where NBC may bid it up
3) More semi-finals - Rose & "Champions" have stated they only want 3 semis each every 12 year cycle - since one semi must be a contract bowl, that leaves 6 for the Orange; while there is no doubt Rose & "Champions" will have good ratings, they won't beat the semi-finals! Less semis for Rose & "Champions" bowls means more semis - and more $$$ - for the Orange bowl, and therefore for the ACC.

few things with this-
I agree pretty much with 1 and 2- though I think ESPN will push OB to sign.

For #3- I thought rose and champions were talkign about only 2 sf each.

However- if Orange got say 6 sf, the ACC would lose the OB money those years.

Also, if there's 8 bowls- the Orange may still get the 4 sf, with the other 2 new bowls getting 2 sf each to compliment the Rose/Champions.

(09-19-2012 11:39 AM)stever20 Wrote:  few things with this-
I agree pretty much with 1 and 2- though I think ESPN will push OB to sign.

For #3- I thought rose and champions were talkign about only 2 sf each.

However- if Orange got say 6 sf, the ACC would lose the OB money those years.

Also, if there's 8 bowls- the Orange may still get the 4 sf, with the other 2 new bowls getting 2 sf each to compliment the Rose/Champions.

NOPE, the ACC gets the Orange bowl TV money EVERY year, even during semi's.

The access bowl money goes into the playoff treasury, but NOT the contract bowls.

actually not:
http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal...yoffs.aspx
The Rose Bowl’s partners, the Pac-12 and Big Ten, keep all of that media revenue, except in years when the Rose Bowl is a semifinal game in the playoffs. When the bowl is part of the playoffs, that media revenue would flow through the playoff system and be distributed to all of the FBS conferences. That method of distribution has not been determined yet.

When a contract bowl hosts sf- the money goes into the playoff system.

(09-19-2012 12:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  actually not:
http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal...yoffs.aspx
The Rose Bowl’s partners, the Pac-12 and Big Ten, keep all of that media revenue, except in years when the Rose Bowl is a semifinal game in the playoffs. When the bowl is part of the playoffs, that media revenue would flow through the playoff system and be distributed to all of the FBS conferences. That method of distribution has not been determined yet.

When a contract bowl hosts sf- the money goes into the playoff system.

That is my understanding as well -- the BCS will control the TV money from the Rose, Champions and OB when they are semifinals. The BCS will basically be bidding out a package of 2 semifinals, the NCG, and 2 Access Bowls per year.

Contract conferences will be able to play in Access Bowls in years that their Contract Bowl is a semi, and may have particular tie ins. I believe that this is why the B1G and SEC were receptive to the OB -- they get to collect a payday during off years from the Rose and Champions based on the TV value they bring to the table rather than relying on the payout from an Access Bowl.

(09-19-2012 12:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  actually not:
http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal...yoffs.aspx
The Rose Bowl’s partners, the Pac-12 and Big Ten, keep all of that media revenue, except in years when the Rose Bowl is a semifinal game in the playoffs. When the bowl is part of the playoffs, that media revenue would flow through the playoff system and be distributed to all of the FBS conferences. That method of distribution has not been determined yet.

When a contract bowl hosts sf- the money goes into the playoff system.

That isn't what this article says.

Quote:The TV revenue that comes from the playoff TV package, however, will be shared with the other conferences — the big five, plus the Big East, MAC, Sun Belt, Mountain West and Conference USA.

"The playoff TV package" refers to the single contract which includes 3 access bowls + the national championship game. The article clearly states that each of the 3 contract bowls has a separate TV contract.

(09-19-2012 01:14 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 12:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  actually not:
http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal...yoffs.aspx
The Rose Bowl’s partners, the Pac-12 and Big Ten, keep all of that media revenue, except in years when the Rose Bowl is a semifinal game in the playoffs. When the bowl is part of the playoffs, that media revenue would flow through the playoff system and be distributed to all of the FBS conferences. That method of distribution has not been determined yet.

When a contract bowl hosts sf- the money goes into the playoff system.

That isn't what this article says.

Quote:The TV revenue that comes from the playoff TV package, however, will be shared with the other conferences — the big five, plus the Big East, MAC, Sun Belt, Mountain West and Conference USA.

"The playoff TV package" refers to the single contract which includes 3 access bowls + the national championship game. The article clearly states that each of the 3 contract bowls has a separate TV contract.

The Rose Bowl’s partners, the Pac-12 and Big Ten, keep all of that media revenue, except in years when the Rose Bowl is a semifinal game in the playoffs. When the bowl is part of the playoffs, that media revenue would flow through the playoff system and be distributed to all of the FBS conferences. That method of distribution has not been determined yet.

was from the article- cut and pasted.... 4th paragraph.

(09-19-2012 01:42 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 01:14 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 12:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  actually not:
http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal...yoffs.aspx
The Rose Bowl’s partners, the Pac-12 and Big Ten, keep all of that media revenue, except in years when the Rose Bowl is a semifinal game in the playoffs. When the bowl is part of the playoffs, that media revenue would flow through the playoff system and be distributed to all of the FBS conferences. That method of distribution has not been determined yet.

When a contract bowl hosts sf- the money goes into the playoff system.

That isn't what this article says.

Quote:The TV revenue that comes from the playoff TV package, however, will be shared with the other conferences — the big five, plus the Big East, MAC, Sun Belt, Mountain West and Conference USA.

"The playoff TV package" refers to the single contract which includes 3 access bowls + the national championship game. The article clearly states that each of the 3 contract bowls has a separate TV contract.

The Rose Bowl’s partners, the Pac-12 and Big Ten, keep all of that media revenue, except in years when the Rose Bowl is a semifinal game in the playoffs. When the bowl is part of the playoffs, that media revenue would flow through the playoff system and be distributed to all of the FBS conferences. That method of distribution has not been determined yet.

was from the article- cut and pasted.... 4th paragraph.

Sorry, my bad. This definitely flies in the face of what has been stated elsewhere, however. I'll keep my eyes out for additional information on t his issue...

(09-19-2012 02:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 01:42 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 01:14 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 12:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  actually not:
http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal...yoffs.aspx
The Rose Bowl’s partners, the Pac-12 and Big Ten, keep all of that media revenue, except in years when the Rose Bowl is a semifinal game in the playoffs. When the bowl is part of the playoffs, that media revenue would flow through the playoff system and be distributed to all of the FBS conferences. That method of distribution has not been determined yet.

When a contract bowl hosts sf- the money goes into the playoff system.

That isn't what this article says.

Quote:The TV revenue that comes from the playoff TV package, however, will be shared with the other conferences — the big five, plus the Big East, MAC, Sun Belt, Mountain West and Conference USA.

"The playoff TV package" refers to the single contract which includes 3 access bowls + the national championship game. The article clearly states that each of the 3 contract bowls has a separate TV contract.

The Rose Bowl’s partners, the Pac-12 and Big Ten, keep all of that media revenue, except in years when the Rose Bowl is a semifinal game in the playoffs. When the bowl is part of the playoffs, that media revenue would flow through the playoff system and be distributed to all of the FBS conferences. That method of distribution has not been determined yet.

was from the article- cut and pasted.... 4th paragraph.

Sorry, my bad. This definitely flies in the face of what has been stated elsewhere, however. I'll keep my eyes out for additional information on t his issue...

true. I wonder if we goto the 8 bowls if things could change even more. It's definitely a fluid situation.

(09-19-2012 02:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 02:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 01:42 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 01:14 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 12:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  actually not:
http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal...yoffs.aspx
The Rose Bowl’s partners, the Pac-12 and Big Ten, keep all of that media revenue, except in years when the Rose Bowl is a semifinal game in the playoffs. When the bowl is part of the playoffs, that media revenue would flow through the playoff system and be distributed to all of the FBS conferences. That method of distribution has not been determined yet.

When a contract bowl hosts sf- the money goes into the playoff system.

That isn't what this article says.

Quote:The TV revenue that comes from the playoff TV package, however, will be shared with the other conferences — the big five, plus the Big East, MAC, Sun Belt, Mountain West and Conference USA.

"The playoff TV package" refers to the single contract which includes 3 access bowls + the national championship game. The article clearly states that each of the 3 contract bowls has a separate TV contract.

The Rose Bowl’s partners, the Pac-12 and Big Ten, keep all of that media revenue, except in years when the Rose Bowl is a semifinal game in the playoffs. When the bowl is part of the playoffs, that media revenue would flow through the playoff system and be distributed to all of the FBS conferences. That method of distribution has not been determined yet.

was from the article- cut and pasted.... 4th paragraph.

Sorry, my bad. This definitely flies in the face of what has been stated elsewhere, however. I'll keep my eyes out for additional information on t his issue...

true. I wonder if we goto the 8 bowls if things could change even more. It's definitely a fluid situation.

Before they can have 8 BCS bowls, they have to get to 6. Only 5 so far... which bowls are going to be 6, 7 and 8? Who has the infrastructure? I suppose you could say "any NFL stadium"...

my guess would be
Rose, Cotton, Orange, Fiesta, Sugar are locks
Chick-fil-a would be near a lock I think

The other 2 are the big x factors.

Holiday, Texas(Houston), Alamo, Outback, Cap One, Gator would have to be the favorites.
right now- we have 2 east(Orange, Chick-fil-a), 2 central(Sugar, Cotton), 2 west(Rose,Fiesta).
my hunce would be one of Cap One/Outback/Gator and then one of Alamo/Texas. Geographically- they would make the most sense.

(09-19-2012 02:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 02:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 02:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 01:42 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 01:14 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  That isn't what this article says.


"The playoff TV package" refers to the single contract which includes 3 access bowls + the national championship game. The article clearly states that each of the 3 contract bowls has a separate TV contract.

The Rose Bowl’s partners, the Pac-12 and Big Ten, keep all of that media revenue, except in years when the Rose Bowl is a semifinal game in the playoffs. When the bowl is part of the playoffs, that media revenue would flow through the playoff system and be distributed to all of the FBS conferences. That method of distribution has not been determined yet.

was from the article- cut and pasted.... 4th paragraph.

Sorry, my bad. This definitely flies in the face of what has been stated elsewhere, however. I'll keep my eyes out for additional information on t his issue...

true. I wonder if we goto the 8 bowls if things could change even more. It's definitely a fluid situation.

Before they can have 8 BCS bowls, they have to get to 6. Only 5 so far... which bowls are going to be 6, 7 and 8? Who has the infrastructure? I suppose you could say "any NFL stadium"...

I think going to 8 will further dilute what they were hoping to achieve. And considering the fact that WVU, TCU, and Utah all wound up in contractual conferences does the committee really need to select 7-8 additional teams outside the semi-finals?

Won't the 3-4 "open" spots be enough to guarantee access to those conferences' deserving teams which do not have a contractual bowl tie-in?

Cheers,
Neil

(09-19-2012 03:35 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 02:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 02:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 02:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 01:42 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The Rose Bowl’s partners, the Pac-12 and Big Ten, keep all of that media revenue, except in years when the Rose Bowl is a semifinal game in the playoffs. When the bowl is part of the playoffs, that media revenue would flow through the playoff system and be distributed to all of the FBS conferences. That method of distribution has not been determined yet.

was from the article- cut and pasted.... 4th paragraph.

Sorry, my bad. This definitely flies in the face of what has been stated elsewhere, however. I'll keep my eyes out for additional information on t his issue...

true. I wonder if we goto the 8 bowls if things could change even more. It's definitely a fluid situation.

Before they can have 8 BCS bowls, they have to get to 6. Only 5 so far... which bowls are going to be 6, 7 and 8? Who has the infrastructure? I suppose you could say "any NFL stadium"...

I think going to 8 will further dilute what they were hoping to achieve. And considering the fact that WVU, TCU, and Utah all wound up in contractual conferences does the committee really need to select 7-8 additional teams outside the semi-finals?

Won't the 3-4 "open" spots be enough to guarantee access to those conferences' deserving teams which do not have a contractual bowl tie-in?

Cheers,
Neil

I think the thing is there are years where esp if Rose/Champions only took 2 sf where they could have had 2 access bowls as sf, leaving only 2 open slots. I believe that's the issue they may have been facing.

SI now reporting 7 is under consideration. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/fo...index.html There's a thread on the Realignment Board on this. This makes a lot more sense than 8.

7 would mean 4 guaranteed slots.... pretty much guarantees top 12 would be in the BCS, which is good for everyone.

(09-19-2012 02:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 01:42 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 01:14 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 12:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  actually not:
http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal...yoffs.aspx
The Rose Bowl’s partners, the Pac-12 and Big Ten, keep all of that media revenue, except in years when the Rose Bowl is a semifinal game in the playoffs. When the bowl is part of the playoffs, that media revenue would flow through the playoff system and be distributed to all of the FBS conferences. That method of distribution has not been determined yet.

When a contract bowl hosts sf- the money goes into the playoff system.

That isn't what this article says.

Quote:The TV revenue that comes from the playoff TV package, however, will be shared with the other conferences — the big five, plus the Big East, MAC, Sun Belt, Mountain West and Conference USA.

"The playoff TV package" refers to the single contract which includes 3 access bowls + the national championship game. The article clearly states that each of the 3 contract bowls has a separate TV contract.

The Rose Bowl’s partners, the Pac-12 and Big Ten, keep all of that media revenue, except in years when the Rose Bowl is a semifinal game in the playoffs. When the bowl is part of the playoffs, that media revenue would flow through the playoff system and be distributed to all of the FBS conferences. That method of distribution has not been determined yet.

was from the article- cut and pasted.... 4th paragraph.

Sorry, my bad. This definitely flies in the face of what has been stated elsewhere, however. I'll keep my eyes out for additional information on t his issue...

this just released 20 minutes ago:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...014-season

here's big quote, which meshes with what I showed from 2 months ago:
Even though the revenue distribution for the playoff hasn't been formally announced, multiple sources have told CBSSports.com the conferences in those three contract bowls will keep all the revenue in years when they are not national semifinals. The Rose and Champions bowls are still determining how many times they will be national semifinals during the 12-year playoff agreement. The more times those bowls are out of the playoff loop, the more revenue for the Pac-12, Big Ten, Big 12 and SEC.