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RE: Grow to 12?
(03-21-2013 07:09 PM)Brooks Saddle Wrote:  
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(03-21-2013 04:40 PM)Brooks Saddle Wrote:  Subgod22:
I'm starting to lean towards Murray over Belmont just due to support. MSU averages over 6k and Belmont barely gets 2k. Support isn't everything, but it helps when it comes to raising money and investing in the program. I still wish Denver were an option. They average a little under 6k and are growing their product.

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The problem with Murray State is they play football and what would they do if the MVFC would not take them? If the past is an indication, that league does not want 11 members.
Hadn't thought about that as WSU obviously doesn't have football. I think we should just make the MVFC do it for the good of the MVC 02-13-banana

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RE: Grow to 12?
We have been hearing Oral Roberts will be the pick. Whats the word out Wichita and Normal?
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I haven't heard anything. ORU would be underwhelming personally. I figured they'd be a fallback option if others didn't work out. I'd rather say screw the balance and get Murray State than ORU. ORU was probably about 7th at best on my personal list.

On the flip side, I could see the MVC trying to appease WSU a little by adding a school our direction since we lost Creighton. Personally, I'd rather add by strength than location. I will say it's better than adding Loyola though.
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RE: Grow to 12?
(03-22-2013 08:05 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  We have been hearing Oral Roberts will be the pick. Whats the word out Wichita and Normal?

Let me answer your Normal question with as much clarity as I can muster: I dunno. Seriously the folks in Normal are confused which is normal with all the schools remaining I think. So far with what we all have heard, is there any school that has been mentioned that gets to adrenaline flowing rapidly for any of us?

There are a few folks that would add the XDSU schools since we are in the same football conference. However, that interest is minimal. There is sizable portion of our population that wants to add a Chicago school with Loyola garnering the most attention (the angry return of Porter Moser seeking vengance at RBA). Personally I think UIC has more potential but I suppose that's just me. The reason for wanting a Chicago school is that with as many ISU & SIU grads as there is in Chicago and surrounding suburbs, the addition of a Chicago school is thought to open more avenues. First and the most obvious, this might very well open up the vast Chicago media markets for the Valley as a whole. Second, it could open more doors to the very talented and deep high school basketball players for all Valley schools to recruit. Finally, and with probably the same % of folks as the Chicago schools is Murray State. With Murray State there is the football issue and could they get an invite to the MVFC and if not what would they do with their football? If this can be answered Murray would be a nice addition in most minds.

Though I am a graduate of ISUr and view them with much fondness I actually live in Peoria so I can give you my read of the Bradley fans. Their first desire is for a private school and Loyola is the one that seems to be mentioned the most often. Surprising to me is that while this is their first desire of late there seems to be a growing desire for a school that brings value to the Valley regardless if they are private or public and whether they have football or not.

Sorry for the probable vagueness for you but this is the best read I can get at this time.
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Results from SN say Murray followed by Belmont and then farther back was Denver followed by Valpo. The Dakotas have no support. ORU has very little.
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Results have shifted on RBFan as well from Belmont being overtaken by Loyola. Murray is the leader followed by Loyola(IL)...Belmont is next and pretty much tied with Valpo. The more you look at it I think fans are starting to say "I just want the best basketball program"..which is Murray State. Not worrying about markets or travel they fit the MVC bill with regards to Arena and Attendance. They have had some success in the NCAA tourney which ultimately how The Valley is going to get its name out there, while also bringing in more money.

Also had some discussion on our board about with the A10 losing 2 of its better teams in Xavier and Butler, if you were able to pry Dayton and SLU along with adding Murray you would have a real good conference top to bottom.

Bradley
Dayton
Illinois State
Indiana State
Missouri State
Murray State
Northern Iowa
Saint Louis
Southern Illinois
Wichita State

It just looks and sounds better without Drake and Evansville.
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(03-21-2013 05:22 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  Hadn't thought about that as WSU obviously doesn't have football. I think we should just make the MVFC do it for the good of the MVC 02-13-banana

The MVFC could add Murray State and North Dakota.

MVFC

West
NDSU-UND
SDSU-USD
UNI-WIU

East
YSU-ISUR
SIU-MSU
ISUB-Murray

MVC
WSU-MSU
Murray-SIU
ISUB-Evansville
UNI-Drake
ISUR-Bradley

Summit
NDSU-UND
SDSU-USD
Omaha-Denver
Fort Wayne-Oakland
IUPUI-WIU

Everyone is happy and stable.
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Everyone except the privates who are obsessed, or so it seems, with adding a private. I'd still lean towards Denver no matter what dominoes that would cause to fall, but Murray is my number 2. Assuming SLU and Dayton are still going to be headed to the BE
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I think we will be disappointed in the addition. I also think it likely we see other defections.
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(08-21-2012 10:53 AM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I assume it's not possible to remove Evansville from the conference and they won't willingly join the Summit where they'd be more competitive. But as has been mentioned on the Conference Realignment board, would we have any interest in pursuing Denver? Word is that they've offered travel incentives to join the WCC but have still been declined. Would the MVC accept an offer like that? Would our poorer schools be inclined to accept that assistance and only have to travel out there every other year? They have decent attendance that appears to be growing and are in a very nice market that would be easy to travel to as they have a major airport. It's a very good academic school that is investing more into sports. A top 100 RPI type of school that could compete in the upper half of the conference.

If we were to entertain this thought, who would number 12 be? If a spot in the MWC doesn't open up for New Mexico State, would they be considered? They have a very good basketball program (at-large worthy) and baseball doesn't suck either. It's another longer trip for our eastern schools and I believe most fly into El Paso and bus over to Las Cruces. But that's not too bad. What if they were to offer travel incentives as well? Personally, I'd rather have NMSU over Denver if I had to pick just one, and that's based off of their basketball success. If they ever got an offer to place their football team into a decent conferene, they'd be gone I'm sure, but it could be worth the risk as I think they could help elevate the conference.

If we were to go to 12, do you think that the eastern schools would demand one in the east as well? If so, who we consider? I'm been a fan of Milwaukee recently. Not as solid as the two in the west, but one that has a decently competitive RPI compared to the middle of the current conference members and it's in a decent market that grows the footprint a little. Others to consider could be Murray State or Belmont. The fear with Belmont is it's another small private like Evansville. But being located in Nashville helps and they have a nice track record. Murray State is currently in the OVC and has had some nice runs, especially last year. We're not getting SLU, Dayton or Xavier and we missed to boat on Butler.

The only other school I can think of that could be worth the risk is Arlington. They've been improving and investing in basketball and would give us a team in Texas and in the Dallas area. That could be good for both recruiting and exposure.

Odds are, we'll stay at 10, but I like looking at options as I want the Valley to be as strong as possible since it looks like the odds of anyone leaving are slim at the moment. And there are some schools currently in the conference that I don't have a lot of faith in.

uta would be a good add for you guys..34,000 students..dfw access..starting to improve in basketball and currently upgrading many facilities..I dont really see them adding football or if they do it wont be the main sports driver that it is at other schools but I can see them being pretty big into basketball located in a 3 or 4 million metro area full of talent.
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I love the thougth of Arlington joining for all the reasons you mentioned. And WSU has recruited Texas hard for some time. Sadly, I don't know if they've really been considered by our "leadership".

I do think we'll end up pulling in an ORU type. Nothing special, but not horrid. If they go with Loyola, I'll throw up.
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(03-25-2013 08:23 AM)Downtown Shocker Brown Wrote:  I think we will be disappointed in the addition. I also think it likely we see other defections.
Who else do you see leaving? Nobody really jumps out right now to me, unless WSU gets a shot. I've seen some Belt fans talk about MSU, but I don't think they're in any postion to make that jump. UNI could, but are they willing to do that right now? I could see them waiting it out a few years to see what the MVC looks like before working their way into the MAC. ISU seems to be a few years off still. Others lack options unless you see some of the schools bolting for the Horizon.

I don't see the A10 hitting the midwest hard.
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(03-26-2013 11:22 AM)SubGod22 Wrote:  
(03-25-2013 08:23 AM)Downtown Shocker Brown Wrote:  I think we will be disappointed in the addition. I also think it likely we see other defections.
Who else do you see leaving? Nobody really jumps out right now to me, unless WSU gets a shot. I've seen some Belt fans talk about MSU, but I don't think they're in any postion to make that jump. UNI could, but are they willing to do that right now? I could see them waiting it out a few years to see what the MVC looks like before working their way into the MAC. ISU seems to be a few years off still. Others lack options unless you see some of the schools bolting for the Horizon.

I don't see the A10 hitting the midwest hard.

I agree with the A10 pulling out of the midwest. I just don't think there any attractive schools to them west of Pittsburgh once/if Dayton and SLU leave.

I don't know about other defections. UNI may still look towards FBS football and the MAC especially if the FBS schools as a whole begin to stop paying for FCS games, but I don't know if the new president will be interested. I agree that we will probably wait to see how the MVC shakes out. ISU red has made allusions towards moving in that direction, but don't know the logistics yet. SIU, MSU and ISU blue are all not in positions to move by themselves, but I think SIU and MSU could move if somehow rules allowed for the entire MVFC to move together, ISU blue just hasn't put that much into their program and just lost the one coach who seemed to be turning things for them.
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Oral Roberts and the MVC have had preliminary expansion talks.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/ar...eMis322605
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I think we can do better, and rest assured we have had "preliminary" talks with more than 1 school.
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Some will be happy with the addition and most won't. This will hold true for whatever school is added.
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As I've said elsewhere, ORU is an okay add. But only if they've been turned down by Denver, Valpo and Belmont first. That's if we have to add a private. We'd be better off going after any of the first three as well as Murray St, Arlington and Wright State. ORU may be comparable or slightly better results wise than the last two lately, but they have much more potential in my mind.

Is anybody, as far as fans go, going to be happy if ORU is the addition?
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No. But will accept it as long as the quote from Elgin does not begin with "We got our first choice"
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I am amazed how much power the private schools must have in the MVC. Would have to think Murray would jump at an offer.

ORU has a decent basketball program but is is far from great. I think that program has hit its ceiling, that school just doesn't have a lot of money or support.
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I think ISUr and UNI are looking at upgrading FB status.

I can see Bradley getting looked at by the A-10.
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