It certainly isn't all hammered out yet, but the NEW BCS playoff system $$ distribution seems to have a beginning plan. Chuck Neinas was on the radio today saying that the $$ distribution would PROBABLY be paid out in 1/3's. The first 1/3 would go to ALL FBS schools. The second 1/3 would be paid out to the conferences on merit...those who make the Big Six Bowls. The last 1/3 would be shared between the 5 Power Conferences (SEC, B1G, PAC, Big12, ACC) because of their marque and place in the world of college FB.

So...that leads me to think that there is NO advantage to the SBC in adding anymore schools that they would have to share revenues with. The markets that they added do help with stabilizing ANY POTENTIAL new TV deal and sures up the BB scheduling. The GaSoutherns and APP Sts wouldn't benefit the SBC any. The likelihood of a SBC team making a BIG SIX Bowl is slim...possible, but slim. Also...I hate to break it to everyone, but we are NOT a Power Conference. So, the $$$ that we will be dividing will come from the first 1/3 of the NEW Playoff and our measily tv deal.

I think our Prez's knew this and didn't want to go any further...and probably won't anytime soon. Thoughts?? Am I crazy? Fire away!!

(06-28-2012 09:30 PM)TitanTopper Wrote:  It certainly isn't all hammered out yet, but the NEW BCS playoff system $$ distribution seems to have a beginning plan. Chuck Neinas was on the radio today saying that the $$ distribution would PROBABLY be paid out in 1/3's. The first 1/3 would go to ALL FBS schools. The second 1/3 would be paid out to the conferences on merit...those who make the Big Six Bowls. The last 1/3 would be shared between the 5 Power Conferences (SEC, B1G, PAC, Big12, ACC) because of their marque and place in the world of college FB.

So...that leads me to think that there is NO advantage to the SBC in adding anymore schools that they would have to share revenues with. The markets that they added do help with stabilizing ANY POTENTIAL new TV deal and sures up the BB scheduling. The GaSoutherns and APP Sts wouldn't benefit the SBC any. The likelihood of a SBC team making a BIG SIX Bowl is slim...possible, but slim. Also...I hate to break it to everyone, but we are NOT a Power Conference. So, the $$$ that we will be dividing will come from the first 1/3 of the NEW Playoff and our measily tv deal.

I think our Prez's knew this and didn't want to go any further...and probably won't anytime soon. Thoughts?? Am I crazy? Fire away!!

You hate to break common knowledge to us?

If that's truly the breakdown, we're not going to see much money at all. The number being floated around is $5 billion over ten years, over $500 million a year, which the first third of that would be like $166 million and if that's evenly divided among 124 schools...well that's just not a whole lot.

Who knows exactly how the second 3rd will be divided on any given year, but then that final third, if it's truly just shared among the power conferences, that's gonna be $33 million to each conference.

Over $1 million per year for MT? Yeah, I think we can use that. That's more than we are making on money games these days. If we can still get the money games, even better.

(06-28-2012 11:01 PM)BlueRaiderFan. Wrote:  Over $1 million per year for MT? Yeah, I think we can use that. That's more than we are making on money games these days. If we can still get the money games, even better.

Don't get me wrong, beggars can't be choosers, and a cool million a year is going to be nice, the members of the big 5 conferences will get 3 million-4 million each(depending on the size of their conference) before that middle third is divided up. So while we'll certainly be able to put the money to good use, the power 5 will be establishing more distance. Schools like Vanderbilt, Kansas, NC State, Iowa State are going to be getting even richer when in reality they'll have just as little to do with the playoffs as we will. Granted, in theory they have a better chance of finding themselves in one of those big games, but in reality, it's not going to happen, and that's not to say that they'll stay bottom of the barrel forever, hell James Franklin is doing really good things at Vandy(just in time to turn them into a more middle-tier SEC team right before we start a four year series with them ) and maybe, maybe a team like that could luck up one year and actually win their conference, but longterm success and supplanting the existing powerhouses of their respective conferences is highly unlikely.

CUSA and the MAC doesn't have anything to be concerned with the Sun Belt. Think you are off base with your idea. This sounds like someone just wanting someone to give them something. Why not cut part of the conference then and make a couple of thousand extra per school? No guts, no glory. Guess you're not buying any lottery tickets. Seems pretty short sighted. Teams are your product. Without product you have very little to sell or not much any chances of making an impact. Keep thinking that way, no one outside the SB will mind.

There may be three pools but it won't be distributed in thirds.

First $500 million a year isn't the number. That's the TV number. In 2010 the TV part of the ESPN contract was worth $155 million per year (I'm guessing that is average with a lower number on the front end). If you look at the BCS distribution that year, the money given out to the 11 conferences totaled $170 million so there was at least $15 million in revenue from tickets and sponsorships, etc. and that is before any overhead. It has been stated before that the BCS turns back more than 95% of all revenue collected and that was before they hired an executive director or a PR firm. So gross is probably closer to $180 million.

We are probably working with something along the lines of $550 million to $575 million with the title game being bid out.

The current BCS deal guarantees 9% of revenue to the five non-AQ leagues. That is distributed under a performance based formula. It averages out to slightly over $3 million per conference.

My guess is that the pay to everyone pool if created will be at the low end 7% (just under $4 million per conference) and at the high end will be 10% (5.5 million per conference) both of those ranges will actually reduce slightly because there will be some sort of payment to the independents. If it is per school which would be a departure from the past the 7% range would be roughly $305,500 per school the 10% would be $436,500 per school. The per school model (but paid directly to the conference) may happen because ACC and SEC at 14 come out worse per school than the Pac-12 and Big 10 with 12 schools and they come out worse than the Big XII with 10 schools.

The common expectation is there will be a pool paid to the 12 participating schools. The belief is that the 8 playing in bowls will get less per team than the the four in the playoff but the gap won't be that large (maybe $5 million). There is some sentiment that the 2 advancing to the title game won't get a second payout but rather will be given a stipend to cover travel expenses, meals, and hotels so that profit-wise they come out with roughly the same profit as the two semi-final loses (NCAA uses the same logic with the Final Four, you get no units for the championship game, but the NCAA picks up your extra expenses for staying two more days).

The bulk of the revenue (at least 50% maybe as much as 75%) will go into a "historic performance" pool. The BCS will pick a time frame (maybe 10 years) and will then assign points based on how your CURRRENT members did in each of the prior ten years. For example for every team ranked 11-25 in the final ranking you might get 1 point. For every team ranked 6-10 you might get 3 points. For every team ranked 1-5 you might get 5 points. If you have a team that has earned 22 points and they are in your conference in 2014, you get paid for their 22 points. If they start play in Conference X in 2015 the 22 points follow them to the new conference and Conference X gets the payment in 2015.

(06-29-2012 05:08 AM)FeFiFo Wrote:  CUSA and the MAC doesn't have anything to be concerned with the Sun Belt. Think you are off base with your idea. This sounds like someone just wanting someone to give them something. Why not cut part of the conference then and make a couple of thousand extra per school? No guts, no glory. Guess you're not buying any lottery tickets. Seems pretty short sighted. Teams are your product. Without product you have very little to sell or not much any chances of making an impact. Keep thinking that way, no one outside the SB will mind.

Who are you responding to and what idea are you referring to? And in what way exactly does the MAC and CUSA not have to be concerned with the Sun Belt?

(06-29-2012 05:08 AM)FeFiFo Wrote:  CUSA and the MAC doesn't have anything to be concerned with the Sun Belt. Think you are off base with your idea. This sounds like someone just wanting someone to give them something. Why not cut part of the conference then and make a couple of thousand extra per school? No guts, no glory. Guess you're not buying any lottery tickets. Seems pretty short sighted. Teams are your product. Without product you have very little to sell or not much any chances of making an impact. Keep thinking that way, no one outside the SB will mind.

We know what kind of struggles FBS moveups can experience, and the resulting reputational result for the conference. That's why we stopped IMHO. CUSA is pretty new to the FBS moveup route and has never swallowed 3 at once. You'll learn.

The Belt has 3 moveups (USA, Georgia State, and Texas State). We're going to let them grow into the league before expanding again I hope.

The Sun Belt is trying to create a system of rivalries, with geographically/culturally similar schools that focus on athletic program success. CUSA thinks they can create powerhouses from dirt in a greatly reduced conference. I think you guys did the Belt a favor when you took UTSA and Charlotte (I don't think ODU - which was your best FCS get IMHO - was really ever on the SBC radar) and removed the temptation from us.

I can only imagine the reputational hit the Sun Belt would have had to take if they had to swallow USA, Texas State, UTSA, Georgia State, and Charlotte at the same time.

(06-29-2012 10:34 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 05:08 AM)FeFiFo Wrote:  CUSA and the MAC doesn't have anything to be concerned with the Sun Belt. Think you are off base with your idea. This sounds like someone just wanting someone to give them something. Why not cut part of the conference then and make a couple of thousand extra per school? No guts, no glory. Guess you're not buying any lottery tickets. Seems pretty short sighted. Teams are your product. Without product you have very little to sell or not much any chances of making an impact. Keep thinking that way, no one outside the SB will mind.

Who are you responding to and what idea are you referring to? And in what way exactly does the MAC and CUSA not have to be concerned with the Sun Belt?

The Belt will do just fine. CUSA would do better to worry about how to retain 'distance' from the Belt and the MAC with a conference that includes UAB, Charlotte, ODU, UTSA, Rice, Tulane, UTEP, UNT, and FIU (nine schools - 4 winning records in the last 6 years). You guys have a LOT to swallow. And you only have 3 consistent winners in your conference to counteract the weight at the bottom (although ECU did have a losing record last year).

Also, remember the Belt doesn't have much to lose. We have two bowl tie ins and little TV revenue. We aren't losing our two bowl tie ins and TV revenue can really only increase. CUSA has six bowl tie ins (I'm seeing them lose at least one of them) and has a TV contract at risk. And CUSA has a reputation that has been enhanced by recent success at Houston, SMU, and UCF. That's gone now.

(06-28-2012 11:09 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 11:01 PM)BlueRaiderFan. Wrote:  Over $1 million per year for MT? Yeah, I think we can use that. That's more than we are making on money games these days. If we can still get the money games, even better.

Don't get me wrong, beggars can't be choosers, and a cool million a year is going to be nice, the members of the big 5 conferences will get 3 million-4 million each(depending on the size of their conference) before that middle third is divided up. So while we'll certainly be able to put the money to good use, the power 5 will be establishing more distance. Schools like Vanderbilt, Kansas, NC State, Iowa State are going to be getting even richer when in reality they'll have just as little to do with the playoffs as we will. Granted, in theory they have a better chance of finding themselves in one of those big games, but in reality, it's not going to happen, and that's not to say that they'll stay bottom of the barrel forever, hell James Franklin is doing really good things at Vandy(just in time to turn them into a more middle-tier SEC team right before we start a four year series with them ) and maybe, maybe a team like that could luck up one year and actually win their conference, but longterm success and supplanting the existing powerhouses of their respective conferences is highly unlikely.

Vanderbilt doesn't need a payout...they have plenty of money, but they'll take it no doubt. You guys can still beat them if you get it together.

(06-30-2012 10:58 AM)BlueRaiderFan. Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 11:09 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 11:01 PM)BlueRaiderFan. Wrote:  Over $1 million per year for MT? Yeah, I think we can use that. That's more than we are making on money games these days. If we can still get the money games, even better.

Don't get me wrong, beggars can't be choosers, and a cool million a year is going to be nice, the members of the big 5 conferences will get 3 million-4 million each(depending on the size of their conference) before that middle third is divided up. So while we'll certainly be able to put the money to good use, the power 5 will be establishing more distance. Schools like Vanderbilt, Kansas, NC State, Iowa State are going to be getting even richer when in reality they'll have just as little to do with the playoffs as we will. Granted, in theory they have a better chance of finding themselves in one of those big games, but in reality, it's not going to happen, and that's not to say that they'll stay bottom of the barrel forever, hell James Franklin is doing really good things at Vandy(just in time to turn them into a more middle-tier SEC team right before we start a four year series with them ) and maybe, maybe a team like that could luck up one year and actually win their conference, but longterm success and supplanting the existing powerhouses of their respective conferences is highly unlikely.

Vanderbilt doesn't need a payout...they have plenty of money, but they'll take it no doubt. You guys can still beat them if you get it together.

You guys? You mean we?