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(06-18-2012 01:54 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If we ever invite App State to join, I reserve the right to start an ASU vs ASU name debate...

Honestly I might resign if AppState and GASouth come on board. We would have 3 name arguments to defuse.

(06-18-2012 01:54 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(06-18-2012 01:41 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  I just noticed you joined the board in June of this year, so you probably arent aware of the history of the "Cajuns vs ULM vs LA Tech" name debates that ran rampant last year. MTPIKapp is right, nothing derails a thread quicker then debating who has the right to what name around here.

It got so bad at one point that we had to Ban a poster or two and that is something we never want to do.

So my apologies if it came off as rude. I just have 0 tolerance for name debates ever since then. In fact I few the "Cajuvs vs ULM name debates" as our own version of the Hatfield and McCoys around here.

If we ever invite App State to join, I reserve the right to start an ASU vs ASU name debate...

I prefer stAte in keeping with the helmet logo or ArkSt. ASU just causes too many hassles if you search interwebs or twitter.

Im actually a REALLY big fan of the stAte on your guys helmets.

I think its very distinctive and why I use that on here all the time.

(06-18-2012 12:22 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  

(06-18-2012 12:18 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(06-18-2012 12:15 PM)panama Wrote:  Actually we're already here

SMH

I didn't know Georgia Southern(GSU) was in the SBC.

As a Cajun fan you should know better then starting a "name" issue in a thread that has nothing to do with that subject.

Fair warning, if this goes down that road it gets shut down faster then you can say "Gumbo"

Well said, Owlfamily, my thoughts exactly.

For the record, Free Cajun T!

No justice, no peace.

Of course CUSA's going to wait a year or more. They cant swallow anymore right now.

This allows them, in their mind, to cherry pick which of our programs are both successful and in a market. In other words, if Middle Tennessee has a horrible season, they (might) not be at the top of the list.

I think a grant of rights for five years should be agreeable to all. Except MTSU and possibly FAU and WKU. The risk is that if CUSA discovers its about to be implemented, they could destabilize our league. If 10 or 11 of the schools signed it, the non signatory could be expelled from the league.

I think we're pretty much stuck with this sense of we're vulnerable until we win our way above CUSA.

(06-18-2012 02:35 PM)crawfish3 Wrote:  For the record, Free Cajun T!

No justice, no peace.

For the record, Cajun T wanted to be banned.

(06-18-2012 02:44 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  Of course CUSA's going to wait a year or more. They cant swallow anymore right now.

This allows them, in their mind, to cherry pick which of our programs are both successful and in a market. In other words, if Middle Tennessee has a horrible season, they (might) not be at the top of the list.

I think a grant of rights for five years should be agreeable to all. Except MTSU and possibly FAU and WKU. The risk is that if CUSA discovers its about to be implemented, they could destabilize our league. If 10 or 11 of the schools signed it, the non signatory could be expelled from the league.

I think we're pretty much stuck with this sense of we're vulnerable until we win our way above CUSA.

Grant of rights makes sense only if real money is involved. We already know what ESPN thinks the sun belt is worth and unfortunately, the conference agreed with them on that as we signed a 8 year agreement that begins this year.

So if there is no money, who really benefits from such a commitment?

(06-18-2012 02:09 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-18-2012 01:54 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(06-18-2012 01:41 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  I just noticed you joined the board in June of this year, so you probably arent aware of the history of the "Cajuns vs ULM vs LA Tech" name debates that ran rampant last year. MTPIKapp is right, nothing derails a thread quicker then debating who has the right to what name around here.

It got so bad at one point that we had to Ban a poster or two and that is something we never want to do.

So my apologies if it came off as rude. I just have 0 tolerance for name debates ever since then. In fact I few the "Cajuvs vs ULM name debates" as our own version of the Hatfield and McCoys around here.

If we ever invite App State to join, I reserve the right to start an ASU vs ASU name debate...

I prefer stAte in keeping with the helmet logo or ArkSt. ASU just causes too many hassles if you search interwebs or twitter.

I prefer stAte . . that is totally unique to Arkansas State . . here in PHX anything ASU is Arizona State.

Exactly, cant have a stick without a carrot.

(06-18-2012 02:44 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  Of course CUSA's going to wait a year or more. They cant swallow anymore right now.

This allows them, in their mind, to cherry pick which of our programs are both successful and in a market. In other words, if Middle Tennessee has a horrible season, they (might) not be at the top of the list.

I think a grant of rights for five years should be agreeable to all. Except MTSU and possibly FAU and WKU. The risk is that if CUSA discovers its about to be implemented, they could destabilize our league. If 10 or 11 of the schools signed it, the non signatory could be expelled from the league.

I think we're pretty much stuck with this sense of we're vulnerable until we win our way above CUSA.

Why would you think the grants of rights would be agreeable to the rest, because you think MTSU, FAU and WKU are the only viable candidates for CSUA? I think you are making huge assumptions, four years is a long time.

(06-18-2012 01:54 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If we ever invite App State to join, I reserve the right to start an ASU vs ASU name debate...

ASU vs. ASU, it would make for an interesting permanent partner in football in an East vs. West match-up. You guys would love trips to Boone every other year in October.

Oh well guess we'll just have to wait a year before our invitation.

(06-18-2012 03:18 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-18-2012 02:44 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  Of course CUSA's going to wait a year or more. They cant swallow anymore right now.

This allows them, in their mind, to cherry pick which of our programs are both successful and in a market. In other words, if Middle Tennessee has a horrible season, they (might) not be at the top of the list.

I think a grant of rights for five years should be agreeable to all. Except MTSU and possibly FAU and WKU. The risk is that if CUSA discovers its about to be implemented, they could destabilize our league. If 10 or 11 of the schools signed it, the non signatory could be expelled from the league.

I think we're pretty much stuck with this sense of we're vulnerable until we win our way above CUSA.

Grant of rights makes sense only if real money is involved. We already know what ESPN thinks the sun belt is worth and unfortunately, the conference agreed with them on that as we signed a 8 year agreement that begins this year.

So if there is no money, who really benefits from such a commitment?

I think a grant of rights, if structured properly, is designed as a poison pill to make teams unappealing to a raiding conference's tv deal and doesn't have much to do with the tv deal of the conference being raided.

(06-18-2012 02:44 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  Of course CUSA's going to wait a year or more. They cant swallow anymore right now.

This allows them, in their mind, to cherry pick which of our programs are both successful and in a market. In other words, if Middle Tennessee has a horrible season, they (might) not be at the top of the list.

I think a grant of rights for five years should be agreeable to all. Except MTSU and possibly FAU and WKU. The risk is that if CUSA discovers its about to be implemented, they could destabilize our league. If 10 or 11 of the schools signed it, the non signatory could be expelled from the league.

I think we're pretty much stuck with this sense of we're vulnerable until we win our way above CUSA.

True enough that it might trigger CUSA to try to raid early....but then it would be us forcing their hand rather than a raid.

And if CUSA didn't raid early then those Sun Belt schools would have to choose between the Sun Belt and Independent + Promises. Which might be a rather frightening risk for a President to take.

(06-18-2012 04:35 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(06-18-2012 01:54 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If we ever invite App State to join, I reserve the right to start an ASU vs ASU name debate...

ASU vs. ASU, it would make for an interesting permanent partner in football in an East vs. West match-up. You guys would love trips to Boone every other year in October.

Oh well guess we'll just have to wait a year before our invitation.

You'll get one eventually from somewhere.

Funny story though on the whole ASU moniker. Back in the 50's, Arkansas State and Arizona State started new Radio Stations within a few years of each other. We were still known as Arkansas State College at the time, but the people in charge of our radio station had the foresight to request the call sign KASU from the government.

A few years later Arizona State tried to request the same letters and could not, and we would never give them the rights to those letters despite their requests. I believe at the time they had to adopt KASC for their call sign. I am not sure if they have kept it the same, but we're still KASU, and they are not.

For that reason I will only refer to Arizona State as ASC, one that always draws a few looks each year from Sun Devil fans when they catch in on a message board.

(06-18-2012 02:35 PM)crawfish3 Wrote:  For the record, Free Cajun T!

No justice, no peace.

Careful, Don.

Z

Ok..USM and ECU are grabbed up in the next round. Who wants to leave the Sun Belt in that case for CUSA? I'm not sure anyone should leave the Sun Belt in that case except FAU. Does anyone want to bust the travel budget to play Rice, Tulane, UAB, FIU, UNT, UTSA, UNCC, UTEP, Tulsa, Old Dominion, Marshall, and La Tech? Of the 12 teams likely left in the CUSA after a further nBE raid, who is left to justify leaving? And it gets even worse if the MWC takes Tulsa.

UTSA doesn't have a FBS schedule this year. UNCC won't be up and running till 2017. UAB is a disaster. Tulane and Rice aren't moving in the right direction. UNT hasn't had a winning season in 6 years. FIU has had two winning seasons - ever. UTEP hasn't had a winning season in years. Old Dominion is a move up. La Tech, while having a good season last year, has hardly been much to covet recently. Marshall is a good program - in a faraway and difficult to reach place for all except WKU and MTSU.

Unless the Big East and/or MWC poach UTSA or UNT (which I don't see), I don't see a CUSA (without USM/ECU and possibly Tulsa) having much to offer. Do you really think a conference like that is going to hold onto 6 bowl tie ins? Or have much to sell to the TV networks? I just see a lot of travel in the most likely CUSA expansion scenario.

Of course, its possible that CUSA tries to damage the Belt irrespective of a raid by the nBE/MWC by going after MTSU and/or WKU. That would not be good. But I think that the lower money per institution is going to drive opposition by many of the existing schools to avoid further dilution.

In other words, we are good for the next year. And in the most likely CUSA expansion scenario, we're probably good as well.

(06-18-2012 01:54 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(06-18-2012 01:41 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  I just noticed you joined the board in June of this year, so you probably arent aware of the history of the "Cajuns vs ULM vs LA Tech" name debates that ran rampant last year. MTPIKapp is right, nothing derails a thread quicker then debating who has the right to what name around here.

It got so bad at one point that we had to Ban a poster or two and that is something we never want to do.

So my apologies if it came off as rude. I just have 0 tolerance for name debates ever since then. In fact I few the "Cajuvs vs ULM name debates" as our own version of the Hatfield and McCoys around here.

If we ever invite App State to join, I reserve the right to start an ASU vs ASU name debate...

I just hope in few years we're not inviting Michigan Tech. It will be a message board blood bath.

(06-18-2012 05:34 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(06-18-2012 04:35 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(06-18-2012 01:54 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If we ever invite App State to join, I reserve the right to start an ASU vs ASU name debate...

ASU vs. ASU, it would make for an interesting permanent partner in football in an East vs. West match-up. You guys would love trips to Boone every other year in October.

Oh well guess we'll just have to wait a year before our invitation.

You'll get one eventually from somewhere.

Funny story though on the whole ASU moniker. Back in the 50's, Arkansas State and Arizona State started new Radio Stations within a few years of each other. We were still known as Arkansas State College at the time, but the people in charge of our radio station had the foresight to request the call sign KASU from the government.

A few years later Arizona State tried to request the same letters and could not, and we would never give them the rights to those letters despite their requests. I believe at the time they had to adopt KASC for their call sign. I am not sure if they have kept it the same, but we're still KASU, and they are not.

For that reason I will only refer to Arizona State as ASC, one that always draws a few looks each year from Sun Devil fans when they catch in on a message board.

Actually AzSt got their station first KASC. When we started our station FCC said KASC is assigned how about KASU. We took it but offered to trade with AzSt and they said no thanks. Few years later AzSt gets it's name changed from College to University. They call us and ask to swap. We were busy fighting our long battle to change and declined the offer.