(06-18-2012 06:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2012 10:36 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I don't think the Hawaii Bowl wants to partner with the Sun Belt. C-USA probably wants to keep this bowl, but the Pac is probably looking at it too. With more teams, they will need more bowl ties. I couldn't see Belt teams traveling well for this bowl either. The Sun Belt need to find regional bowl ties. The problem is there just aren't any out there. If C-USA loses the Hawaii Bowl to the Pac12, and can't find another qulaity bowl to replace it with, look for them them to move after the Go Daddy Bowl. The Belt may become a one bowl conference again.

CUSA lost three teams that regularly go to bowls (UH, SMU, UCF) plus a trash fire of a program (Memphis) and replaced them with six teams that have exactly 4 bowl berths in the last 6 years. Heck, three of your newbies aren't even eligible for a bowl game next year (and one of them wont be for many years). While some of the of the existing teams will have better records against weaker competition (and yes, dropping UCF, Houston, and SMU from their schedules will cause some of the teams that almost never get to bowls to become eligible), I'm not seeing CUSA filling more than their 6 bowl bids in the future. Put Marshall, USM, Tulsa, and ECU (although not last year) into 4 slots and then....are you saying that from the remaining teams....3 are going to be bowl eligible consistently? Not seeing it.

The Go Daddy Bowl is run by people in Mobile. They play in USA's home stadium. The Sun Belt and the Go Daddy bowl are going to be together for a long time. Perhaps you can go after the MAC's slot in that bowl, but you already have a bowl tie in with us in New Orleans. And the MAC fans, for whatever reason, actually travel pretty well.

The Sun Belt is underbowled. We had 4 bowl eligible teams last year. We'll probably have more than our 2 autos this year as well.

I think Marshall, ECU, Tulsa, Southern Miss, FIU, and LA Tech will all remain consistent bowl eligible programs. That's six teams. I don't think C-USA wants to add the Go Daddy Bowl, but if they lose one and need another, it might make sense. You are right though... the MAC could be the conference getting left out when the Go Daddy renews its ties.

(06-18-2012 08:43 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-18-2012 06:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2012 10:36 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I don't think the Hawaii Bowl wants to partner with the Sun Belt. C-USA probably wants to keep this bowl, but the Pac is probably looking at it too. With more teams, they will need more bowl ties. I couldn't see Belt teams traveling well for this bowl either. The Sun Belt need to find regional bowl ties. The problem is there just aren't any out there. If C-USA loses the Hawaii Bowl to the Pac12, and can't find another qulaity bowl to replace it with, look for them them to move after the Go Daddy Bowl. The Belt may become a one bowl conference again.

CUSA lost three teams that regularly go to bowls (UH, SMU, UCF) plus a trash fire of a program (Memphis) and replaced them with six teams that have exactly 4 bowl berths in the last 6 years. Heck, three of your newbies aren't even eligible for a bowl game next year (and one of them wont be for many years). While some of the of the existing teams will have better records against weaker competition (and yes, dropping UCF, Houston, and SMU from their schedules will cause some of the teams that almost never get to bowls to become eligible), I'm not seeing CUSA filling more than their 6 bowl bids in the future. Put Marshall, USM, Tulsa, and ECU (although not last year) into 4 slots and then....are you saying that from the remaining teams....3 are going to be bowl eligible consistently? Not seeing it.

The Go Daddy Bowl is run by people in Mobile. They play in USA's home stadium. The Sun Belt and the Go Daddy bowl are going to be together for a long time. Perhaps you can go after the MAC's slot in that bowl, but you already have a bowl tie in with us in New Orleans. And the MAC fans, for whatever reason, actually travel pretty well.

The Sun Belt is underbowled. We had 4 bowl eligible teams last year. We'll probably have more than our 2 autos this year as well.

I think Marshall, ECU, Tulsa, Southern Miss, FIU, and LA Tech will all remain consistent bowl eligible programs. That's six teams. I don't think C-USA wants to add the Go Daddy Bowl, but if they lose one and need another, it might make sense. You are right though... the MAC could be the conference getting left out when the Go Daddy renews its ties.

SBC wont lose the Godaddy.com bowl....But I could see the Godaddy.com dropping the MAC for CUSA, closer to the schools means more fans which means more money for the bowl.

(06-18-2012 09:36 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  its a money loser. Perhaps if it was against a team from the Pac 12, I'd feel different. The Belt needs at least one more bowl tie in. But...the Hawai'i and Humanitarian Bowls are last on my list.

FYI the Potato bowl was a money winner for NIU in 2010. The ONLY reason was because its so early in the season that we didn't have to pay for everyone to stay and eat on campus like we did this year for the GoDaddy.

After expenses we made 50k on the game. Not a ton but our AD was expecting us to write a $250k check instead.

We lost about 150K on the GoDaddy bowl this past year.

(06-18-2012 08:53 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  SBC wont lose the Godaddy.com bowl....But I could see the Godaddy.com dropping the MAC for CUSA, closer to the schools means more fans which means more money for the bowl.

I guess you didn't hear the the GoDaddy bowl recently extended the MACs contract through 2017.

http://www.mac-sports.com/News/tabid/969...-2017.aspx

(06-19-2012 11:46 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(06-18-2012 08:53 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  SBC wont lose the Godaddy.com bowl....But I could see the Godaddy.com dropping the MAC for CUSA, closer to the schools means more fans which means more money for the bowl.

I guess you didn't hear the the GoDaddy bowl recently extended the MACs contract through 2017.

http://www.mac-sports.com/News/tabid/969...-2017.aspx

No I guess they did not....

(06-19-2012 07:16 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 11:46 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(06-18-2012 08:53 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  SBC wont lose the Godaddy.com bowl....But I could see the Godaddy.com dropping the MAC for CUSA, closer to the schools means more fans which means more money for the bowl.

I guess you didn't hear the the GoDaddy bowl recently extended the MACs contract through 2017.

http://www.mac-sports.com/News/tabid/969...-2017.aspx

No I guess they did not....

I didnt say it was going to happen. I just ment that would happen before they would Drop the SBC.

(06-18-2012 08:43 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I think Marshall, ECU, Tulsa, Southern Miss, FIU, and LA Tech will all remain consistent bowl eligible programs. That's six teams. I don't think C-USA wants to add the Go Daddy Bowl, but if they lose one and need another, it might make sense. You are right though... the MAC could be the conference getting left out when the Go Daddy renews its ties.

This is a bunch of BS.

Marshall, ECU, FIU and La Tech haven't been consistent 7 win programs by any stretch of the imagination.

Marshall
2011 7-6
2010 5-7
2009 7-6
2008 4-8

East Carolina
2011 5-7
2010 6-7
2009 9-5
2008 9-5

Florida International
2011 8-5
2010 7-6
2009 3-9
2008 5-7

La Tech
2011 8-5
2010 5-7
2009 4-8
2008 8-5

Half the time Marshall, ECU, FIU, La Tech are above the 7 win threshold but half the time they're not.

(06-19-2012 07:39 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(06-18-2012 08:43 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I think Marshall, ECU, Tulsa, Southern Miss, FIU, and LA Tech will all remain consistent bowl eligible programs. That's six teams. I don't think C-USA wants to add the Go Daddy Bowl, but if they lose one and need another, it might make sense. You are right though... the MAC could be the conference getting left out when the Go Daddy renews its ties.

This is a bunch of BS.

Marshall, ECU, FIU and La Tech haven't been consistent 7 win programs by any stretch of the imagination.

Marshall
2011 7-6
2010 5-7
2009 7-6
2008 4-8

East Carolina
2011 5-7
2010 6-7
2009 9-5
2008 9-5

Florida International
2011 8-5
2010 7-6
2009 3-9
2008 5-7

La Tech
2011 8-5
2010 5-7
2009 4-8
2008 8-5

Half the time Marshall, ECU, FIU, La Tech are above the 7 win threshold but half the time they're not.

Only program thats consistent in CUSA is Southern Miss....But even then Troy was a Field Goal away in 2 OTs from handing Southern Miss a Losing season.

Below is what the 4 non-AQ conferences averaged as far as 7 win teams over the previous 4 seasons. CUSA has only averaged 4 teams with 7 wins per year since 2008.

Number of 7 game winners (2008-11) including new teams:

CUSA
2011 (5)
2010 (3)
2009 (3)
2008 (5)

MAC
2011 (4)
2010 (4)
2009 (4)
2008 (4)

MWC
2011 (4)
2010 (4)
2009 (4)
2008 (5)

SBC
2011 (3)
2010 (1)
2009 (2)
2008 (2)

As I have been saying, while the Sun Belt's future looks bright in the near term they won't be able to certify more than 2 bowls for 2014 unless 2012 and 2013 end up being mega years for the league.

CUSA's bowl average is hurt by the fact that UCF, Houston and SMU are all projecting to a big 2012 year within conference and will likely beat down Tulsa, ECU and Marshall next season. CUSA will be lucky to keep its average of 4 seven game winners due to this.

(06-19-2012 07:57 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Below is what the 4 non-AQ conferences averaged as far as 7 win teams over the previous 4 seasons. CUSA has only averaged 4 teams with 7 wins per year since 2008.

Number of 7 game winners (2008-11) including new teams:

CUSA
2011 (5)
2010 (3)
2009 (3)
2008 (5)

MAC
2011 (4)
2010 (4)
2009 (4)
2008 (4)

MWC
2011 (4)
2010 (4)
2009 (4)
2008 (5)

SBC
2011 (3)
2010 (1)
2009 (2)
2008 (2)

As I have been saying, while the Sun Belt's future looks bright in the near term they won't be able to certify more than 2 bowls for 2014 unless 2012 and 2013 end up being mega years for the league.

CUSA's bowl average is hurt by the fact that UCF, Houston and SMU are all projecting to a big 2012 year within conference and will likely beat down Tulsa, ECU and Marshall next season. CUSA will be lucky to keep its average of 4 seven game winners due to this.

Did u just make that up? the SBC had 3 Bowl teams in 2010 not 1 and WKU was the 4th team with 7+ wins in 2011 but didnt make a bowl because we didnt have enough....

ALSO. Last year we had FOUR bowl eligible teams. and In 2009 we also had FOUR bowl eligible teams...

According to your logic the with 7+ win teams in a year the SBC should look like this....

2011 (4)
2010 (3)
2009 (2)
2008 (2)

(06-19-2012 08:07 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 07:57 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Below is what the 4 non-AQ conferences averaged as far as 7 win teams over the previous 4 seasons. CUSA has only averaged 4 teams with 7 wins per year since 2008.

Number of 7 game winners (2008-11) including new teams:

CUSA
2011 (5)
2010 (3)
2009 (3)
2008 (5)

MAC
2011 (4)
2010 (4)
2009 (4)
2008 (4)

MWC
2011 (4)
2010 (4)
2009 (4)
2008 (5)

SBC
2011 (3)
2010 (1)
2009 (2)
2008 (2)

As I have been saying, while the Sun Belt's future looks bright in the near term they won't be able to certify more than 2 bowls for 2014 unless 2012 and 2013 end up being mega years for the league.

CUSA's bowl average is hurt by the fact that UCF, Houston and SMU are all projecting to a big 2012 year within conference and will likely beat down Tulsa, ECU and Marshall next season. CUSA will be lucky to keep its average of 4 seven game winners due to this.

Did u just make that up? the SBC had 3 Bowl teams in 2010 not 1 and WKU was the 4th team with 7+ wins in 2011 but didnt make a bowl because we didnt have enough....

ALSO. Last year we had FOUR bowl eligible teams. and In 2009 we also had FOUR bowl eligible teams...

According to your logic the with 7+ win teams in a year the SBC should look like this....

2011 (4)
2010 (3)
2009 (2)
2008 (2)

If your going by old membership vs. new membership here would be the old numbers:

2011 (4)
2010 (2)
2009 (2)
2008 (2)

That averages to 2.5 seven win teams over the 4 years.

They aren't counting old teams to the averages. They count the new lineups and since the SBC is rolling with 3 FCS upgrades that don't help them 2 bowls is all they'll be able to get (in the short term).

(06-19-2012 08:50 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 08:07 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(06-19-2012 07:57 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Below is what the 4 non-AQ conferences averaged as far as 7 win teams over the previous 4 seasons. CUSA has only averaged 4 teams with 7 wins per year since 2008.

Number of 7 game winners (2008-11) including new teams:

CUSA
2011 (5)
2010 (3)
2009 (3)
2008 (5)

MAC
2011 (4)
2010 (4)
2009 (4)
2008 (4)

MWC
2011 (4)
2010 (4)
2009 (4)
2008 (5)

SBC
2011 (3)
2010 (1)
2009 (2)
2008 (2)

As I have been saying, while the Sun Belt's future looks bright in the near term they won't be able to certify more than 2 bowls for 2014 unless 2012 and 2013 end up being mega years for the league.

CUSA's bowl average is hurt by the fact that UCF, Houston and SMU are all projecting to a big 2012 year within conference and will likely beat down Tulsa, ECU and Marshall next season. CUSA will be lucky to keep its average of 4 seven game winners due to this.

Did u just make that up? the SBC had 3 Bowl teams in 2010 not 1 and WKU was the 4th team with 7+ wins in 2011 but didnt make a bowl because we didnt have enough....

ALSO. Last year we had FOUR bowl eligible teams. and In 2009 we also had FOUR bowl eligible teams...

According to your logic the with 7+ win teams in a year the SBC should look like this....

2011 (4)
2010 (3)
2009 (2)
2008 (2)

If your going by old membership vs. new membership here would be the old numbers:

2011 (4)
2010 (2)
2009 (2)
2008 (2)

That averages to 2.5 seven win teams over the 4 years.

They aren't counting old teams to the averages. They count the new lineups and since the SBC is rolling with 3 FCS upgrades that don't help them 2 bowls is all they'll be able to get (in the short term).

NT and FIU are still part of the SBC till 2013....and they do count towards the bowls and wins for the conference of that year and when bowls look to see how many teams qualify...Also a school qualify's when you have Atleast a 6-6 record....and if thats the case FOUR teams have qualified for the last 3 years.

I'd take Detroit before Hawaii and I'd still hate to go to a bowl in Detroit...

Hawaii Bowl: No. No. No.

Problem with Hawaii Bowl: We can't succeed by playing in it. NO ONE can succeed in that game. Sure, our team could win the bowl but it would be in front of 100 people in a 50,000 seat stadium. Empty stadium makes our programs look less compelling to advertisers, potential students, and recruits.

Most people cant afford to spend huge sums last minute to go to Hawaii in their high season.

We need more bowl slots. This is one that won't serve us well though. Its a step in the wrong direction masquerading as a step forward.

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Haw is great for the traveling players, but horrid for all but a few fans. As for empty stadium, they usually have an ok crowd. They give tix to military in Haw, and the locals show up, esp if Haw is in the game.