The Boy Scouts are being forced to release thousands of files pertaining to child molestation.

So, these self righteous mother fookers will hide children being molested for decades but won't allow a homosexual to lead them.

What a bunch of ****** up people.

(06-15-2012 08:45 AM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  The Boy Scouts are being forced to release thousands of files pertaining to child molestation.

So, these self righteous mother fookers will hide children being molested for decades but won't allow a homosexual to lead them.

What a bunch of ****** up people.

Well I would imagine that 99.99% of the molestations of boy scouts that may have occured were done by a homosexual maled (whether closeted or not).

(06-15-2012 12:35 PM)InjunJohn Wrote:  

(06-15-2012 08:45 AM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  The Boy Scouts are being forced to release thousands of files pertaining to child molestation.

So, these self righteous mother fookers will hide children being molested for decades but won't allow a homosexual to lead them.

What a bunch of ****** up people.

Well I would imagine that 99.99% of the molestations of boy scouts that may have occured were done by a homosexual maled (whether closeted or not).

Just a few things...

1: Show me the research that connects homosexuality to child molestation.

2: How does your logic apply to this ex-Scout leader?

3: There is a quote in this story from the Scouts that I actually agree with...

"To disagree does not mean to disrespect and we respect everyone's right to have and express a different opinion. Scouting will continue to teach our members to treat everyone with courtesy and respect."

That's all fine and dandy. I understand that simply disagreeing with someone doesn't mean that you don't/can't show them respect. However, this is simply not the way this rule is really working. Don't get me wrong, it is working the way they want it to obviously by keeping homosexuals out of that position but I wonder what it teaches the children about homosexuals. I wonder how many of their parents sat them down and explained to them the intricacies of the Scouts' statement and rule behind it. Maybe some did. Obviously not all will for various reasons, but for those whose parents didn't explain that to them and who are also not against homosexuality enough or at all as to impose that opinion forthwith within their household, well, then they are certainly receiving the wrong message. "Gays are okay people, we just don't want them around us."

A child's logic is going to follow the path toward the inevitable conclusion which is, "we don't want them around you or any of the kids". Well, then there must be something wrong with these people. These type of things create bigotry, ignorance, and further the aggressive nature of misunderstanding that is poisoning our society.

That isn't even considering how many of the leaders and parents are contradicting their own statement by openly sharing there views on homosexuality, whether that be positive or negative.

The bottom line is that woman could have been the greatest Scout leader in history but because she loves other women she is deemed unworthy of the position. Unwelcome amongst those who, had that not known, would have no problem whatsoever.

Now, in your mind, you may correlate homosexuality with child molestation. You didn't specify so I won't assume. I know there are many ignorant people who do compare it with child molestation, bestiality, etc...
When I see a child molester, I see simply that; a child molester. I don't care if they are black, white, male, female, gay, straight, or a motha ******* Martian.

Also, I can only imagine how her being tossed has affected her child. Depending on how she handles it he could possibly grow to be bigoted against those who stand against his mother, instead of just disagreeing with them.

Bigotry and ignorance does no good whatsoever. No matter who it affects.

well you trying to relate the boy scouts releasing information about allegations of child molestation to the fact that they won't let homosexuals makes no sense whatsoever. But since you tried to tie the two together for some reason I just made the observation that probably just about all of those allegations will have been made against men, meaning that they were homosexuals or bisexuals (closeted or not).

(06-15-2012 03:22 PM)InjunJohn Wrote:  well you trying to relate the boy scouts releasing information about allegations of child molestation to the fact that they won't let homosexuals makes no sense whatsoever. But since you tried to tie the two together for some reason I just made the observation that probably just about all of those allegations will have been made against men, meaning that they were homosexuals or bisexuals (closeted or not).

Pedophilia is a perversion, a mental disorder that has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

(06-15-2012 05:52 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-15-2012 03:22 PM)InjunJohn Wrote:  well you trying to relate the boy scouts releasing information about allegations of child molestation to the fact that they won't let homosexuals makes no sense whatsoever. But since you tried to tie the two together for some reason I just made the observation that probably just about all of those allegations will have been made against men, meaning that they were homosexuals or bisexuals (closeted or not).

Pedophilia is a perversion, a mental disorder that has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

ok...I will explain this is as simple terms as I can. Paul took a story about the boy scouts and tried to tie it to the fact that the boy scouts don't allow homosexuals to be troop leaders. Now you and Paul are trying to separate the two.

Fact: The boy scouts are handing over thousands of documents about alleged child molestations from the mid 60s on. Some may have been true and some may have just been unfounded allegations. They are handing them over, nonetheless.

Fact: With rare exceptions, the troop leaders for the boy scouts are male. One can conclude that nearly all, if not all, of the allegations that are contained in those files will have been made against males. And for those allegations that are founded, those males would be homosexual or bisexual (closeted or not).

So, explain to me why an organization would knowingly put young men in the charge of people who are sexually attracted to the same sex. Would you allow your 12 year old daughter to go camping with a single adult male with little to no supervision? Teachers aren't supposed to be having sex with their students but it happens and we are seeing more and more stories of this going on so why in the world would any organization willing put themselves at risk by placing teenagers with someone that would be attracted to them. Again, reverse the sexes and have a male leading a bunch of young teen girls. Look at the precaution schools take with male coaches.

If you and Paul can't understand that, then there isn't much more to be said.

(06-15-2012 06:31 PM)InjunJohn Wrote:  ok...I will explain this is as simple terms as I can. Paul took a story about the boy scouts and tried to tie it to the fact that the boy scouts don't allow homosexuals to be troop leaders. Now you and Paul are trying to separate the two.

Fact: The boy scouts are handing over thousands of documents about alleged child molestations from the mid 60s on. Some may have been true and some may have just been unfounded allegations. They are handing them over, nonetheless.

Fact: With rare exceptions, the troop leaders for the boy scouts are male. One can conclude that nearly all, if not all, of the allegations that are contained in those files will have been made against males. And for those allegations that are founded, those males would be homosexual or bisexual (closeted or not).

So, explain to me why an organization would knowingly put young men in the charge of people who are sexually attracted to the same sex. Would you allow your 12 year old daughter to go camping with a single adult male with little to no supervision? Teachers aren't supposed to be having sex with their students but it happens and we are seeing more and more stories of this going on so why in the world would any organization willing put themselves at risk by placing teenagers with someone that would be attracted to them. Again, reverse the sexes and have a male leading a bunch of young teen girls. Look at the precaution schools take with male coaches.

If you and Paul can't understand that, then there isn't much more to be said.

I have no problem with what you posted aside from the bolded. Pedophilia has zero to do with sexual orientation. Molesting children has zero to do with attraction to adults, stop connecting the two, they have nothing to do with one another.

A heterosexual man who has been with women his entire life, never had relations with an adult male, but for whatever reason is twisted enough to molest young boys, is not a homosexual and is not bisexual, he is a heterosexual who happens to also be a pedophile.

You're the who cannot seem to understand this sexual orientation and pedophilia are not connected in any way.

(06-15-2012 06:37 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-15-2012 06:31 PM)InjunJohn Wrote:  ok...I will explain this is as simple terms as I can. Paul took a story about the boy scouts and tried to tie it to the fact that the boy scouts don't allow homosexuals to be troop leaders. Now you and Paul are trying to separate the two.

Fact: The boy scouts are handing over thousands of documents about alleged child molestations from the mid 60s on. Some may have been true and some may have just been unfounded allegations. They are handing them over, nonetheless.

Fact: With rare exceptions, the troop leaders for the boy scouts are male. One can conclude that nearly all, if not all, of the allegations that are contained in those files will have been made against males. And for those allegations that are founded, those males would be homosexual or bisexual (closeted or not).

So, explain to me why an organization would knowingly put young men in the charge of people who are sexually attracted to the same sex. Would you allow your 12 year old daughter to go camping with a single adult male with little to no supervision? Teachers aren't supposed to be having sex with their students but it happens and we are seeing more and more stories of this going on so why in the world would any organization willing put themselves at risk by placing teenagers with someone that would be attracted to them. Again, reverse the sexes and have a male leading a bunch of young teen girls. Look at the precaution schools take with male coaches.

If you and Paul can't understand that, then there isn't much more to be said.

I have no problem with what you posted aside from the bolded. Pedophilia has zero to do with sexual orientation. Molesting children has zero to do with attraction to adults, stop connecting the two, they have nothing to do with one another.

A heterosexual man who has been with women his entire life, never had relations with an adult male, but for whatever reason is twisted enough to molest young boys, is not a homosexual and is not bisexual, he is a heterosexual who happens to also be a pedophile.

You're the who cannot seem to understand this sexual orientation and pedophilia are not connected in any way.

Don't forget that boy scouts are generally young teens so this isn't really about pedophilia but about being sexually attracted to younger people who are going through or just come out of puberty. This is not molesting children but taking sexually advantage of young teens.

(06-15-2012 06:50 PM)InjunJohn Wrote:  

(06-15-2012 06:37 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-15-2012 06:31 PM)InjunJohn Wrote:  ok...I will explain this is as simple terms as I can. Paul took a story about the boy scouts and tried to tie it to the fact that the boy scouts don't allow homosexuals to be troop leaders. Now you and Paul are trying to separate the two.

Fact: The boy scouts are handing over thousands of documents about alleged child molestations from the mid 60s on. Some may have been true and some may have just been unfounded allegations. They are handing them over, nonetheless.

Fact: With rare exceptions, the troop leaders for the boy scouts are male. One can conclude that nearly all, if not all, of the allegations that are contained in those files will have been made against males. And for those allegations that are founded, those males would be homosexual or bisexual (closeted or not).

So, explain to me why an organization would knowingly put young men in the charge of people who are sexually attracted to the same sex. Would you allow your 12 year old daughter to go camping with a single adult male with little to no supervision? Teachers aren't supposed to be having sex with their students but it happens and we are seeing more and more stories of this going on so why in the world would any organization willing put themselves at risk by placing teenagers with someone that would be attracted to them. Again, reverse the sexes and have a male leading a bunch of young teen girls. Look at the precaution schools take with male coaches.

If you and Paul can't understand that, then there isn't much more to be said.

I have no problem with what you posted aside from the bolded. Pedophilia has zero to do with sexual orientation. Molesting children has zero to do with attraction to adults, stop connecting the two, they have nothing to do with one another.

A heterosexual man who has been with women his entire life, never had relations with an adult male, but for whatever reason is twisted enough to molest young boys, is not a homosexual and is not bisexual, he is a heterosexual who happens to also be a pedophile.

You're the who cannot seem to understand this sexual orientation and pedophilia are not connected in any way.

Don't forget that boy scouts are generally young teens so this isn't really about pedophilia but about being sexually attracted to younger people who are going through or just come out of puberty. This is not molesting children but taking sexually advantage of young teens.

You continue to make assumptions and speak in generalities. Most kids join BSA at 11 or 12 but can join as young as 10, furthermore considering the retention rate in BSA and how few that join stick through all the way to Eagle(as an Eagle Scout myself, I have a decent idea of what I'm talking about) I'd say that it's more than likely that the majority of boy scouts are between 12-15. You cannot just assume that because boy scouts have kids that are 16 and 17 that they are being molested. Likewise I cannot assume that it's exclusively the 10-13 year olds that are being molested, but they are the most likely target.

Actually, what I was pointing out is the absurdity of an organization that is willing to hide documents pertaining to child molesters within their own organization but will not allow gays to be leaders due to moral concerns.

I seem to find the situation blatantly contradictory to their codes and beliefs. The same beliefs they use to stop others from participating.

If you are just going to rehash the same argument while ignoring valid points then there really is no point continuing the conversation.