(05-31-2012 10:33 AM)OwlFamily Wrote:  I dont think there is any question that UNT and FIU will be getting a higher payout in CUSA then they were in the SBC.

However the competition gap between the two confrences has narrowed considerably IMHO. We now are much closer to catching them in terms of performance, which will in turn lead to a more attractive TV deal as the product improves.

The SBC has a very narrow window (1-2 years IMHO) to catch and hopefully surpass CUSA.

I disagree that there is a narrow window. CUSA isn't what it was in 2004 nor in 2011. Adding the conference patch doesn't change who you are.

(05-31-2012 08:23 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 10:33 AM)OwlFamily Wrote:  I dont think there is any question that UNT and FIU will be getting a higher payout in CUSA then they were in the SBC.

However the competition gap between the two confrences has narrowed considerably IMHO. We now are much closer to catching them in terms of performance, which will in turn lead to a more attractive TV deal as the product improves.

The SBC has a very narrow window (1-2 years IMHO) to catch and hopefully surpass CUSA.

I disagree that there is a narrow window. CUSA isn't what it was in 2004 nor in 2011. Adding the conference patch doesn't change who you are.

And had the SBC waited until now to add the proper teams to the conference, we'd be ahead of the game instead of struggling.

10 is all we need, but we don't have the right 10 because they hired the wrong person as commish.

Presidents decide. Commissioners execute. So send a letter to your President.

I am going to have to disagree with the bird man on this one. When you add a team that never had much success in the FCS and another that lost to two NAIA schools and a D2 school in the last two years it is a little too late to start worrying about perception. I am not saying that they were bad additions, I am just saying they don't help right now from a perception/performance on the field standpoint. It seems a smart move would have been balancing performance history with market size. Losing FIU and NT and adding GA State and Tx State is definitely a step back in terms of football performance. The silver lining is that the CUSA took a step back as well, but the SB has lost ground to the MAC.

(06-01-2012 08:11 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  I am going to have to disagree with the bird man on this one. When you add a team that never had much success in the FCS and another that lost to two NAIA schools and a D2 school in the last two years it is a little too late to start worrying about perception. I am not saying that they were bad additions, I am just saying they don't help right now from a perception/performance on the field standpoint. It seems a smart move would have been balancing performance history with market size. Losing FIU and NT and adding GA State and Tx State is definitely a step back in terms of football performance. The silver lining is that the CUSA took a step back as well, but the SB has lost ground to the MAC.

Broken record. GSU is in, GS is not. End of story. Football performance will be determined next year. And since you hate SBC go on over to MAC board and haunt them.

(06-01-2012 09:51 AM)RidgeRunner Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 08:11 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  I am going to have to disagree with the bird man on this one. When you add a team that never had much success in the FCS and another that lost to two NAIA schools and a D2 school in the last two years it is a little too late to start worrying about perception. I am not saying that they were bad additions, I am just saying they don't help right now from a perception/performance on the field standpoint. It seems a smart move would have been balancing performance history with market size. Losing FIU and NT and adding GA State and Tx State is definitely a step back in terms of football performance. The silver lining is that the CUSA took a step back as well, but the SB has lost ground to the MAC.

Broken record. GSU is in, GS is not. End of story. Football performance will be determined next year. And since you hate SBC go on over to MAC board and haunt them.

Again, I think Ga State was a good add for the Sun Belt. I was just saying that the perception argument by the writer of the article does not hold water.

Ga State can represent the SBC well this year by entering the SBC in 2013 as the CAA champions in football. However, if Ga State goes 0-8, 1-7 etc then it will not look good for the SB and do much more damage than adding two more FCS schools in Ga Southern and App State would have. I think Curry will step up and do well knowing that all the SB teams are counting on them to represent the conference. The program is now 4-5(?) years old so I would think they should be ready to beat up some FCS schools this year.

(05-31-2012 08:21 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I agree with Jay that stopping was right but have different reasoning. It's about answering questions, not perception. http://www.arkst.com/?p=1796

well done as always.

i don't care if it was perception or your logistics....i'm just glad we stopped where we did.

i don't care if that flies against every former tuba player on this board. that's just the way i feel about it. and having you and jay feel the same way (ultimate decision) makes me feel better about my thoughts on the matter.

I continue to think we will eventually get one of App or Southern, but thats partially because I am not sure how much longer it will be before the next round starts. If the NCAA begins to place a moratorium on move-ups, I expect we will be forced to make a move before it begins just in case there is another round.

(06-01-2012 10:44 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 08:21 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I agree with Jay that stopping was right but have different reasoning. It's about answering questions, not perception. http://www.arkst.com/?p=1796

well done as always.

i don't care if it was perception or your logistics....i'm just glad we stopped where we did.

i don't care if that flies against every former tuba player on this board. that's just the way i feel about it. and having you and jay feel the same way (ultimate decision) makes me feel better about my thoughts on the matter.

Mighty offensive that you keep calling everyone a tuba player trying to be derogatory. I played golf in high school, so BOOM.

(05-31-2012 08:21 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I agree with Jay that stopping was right but have different reasoning. It's about answering questions, not perception. http://www.arkst.com/?p=1796

Agreed.

If the feasability study says we should stay at 10 for football, so be it.

However, that doesn't mean that SBC expansion should stop.

I would make Oral Roberts and College of Charleston the 13th and 14th SBC members.

2 excellent RPI schools in basketball and baseball that are easy targets.

(06-01-2012 11:05 AM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 10:44 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 08:21 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I agree with Jay that stopping was right but have different reasoning. It's about answering questions, not perception. http://www.arkst.com/?p=1796

well done as always.

i don't care if it was perception or your logistics....i'm just glad we stopped where we did.

i don't care if that flies against every former tuba player on this board. that's just the way i feel about it. and having you and jay feel the same way (ultimate decision) makes me feel better about my thoughts on the matter.

Mighty offensive that you keep calling everyone a tuba player trying to be derogatory. I played golf in high school, so BOOM.

I thought it was funny and not meant to be derogatory, just BBB(beed being beed).

(06-01-2012 11:05 AM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 10:44 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 08:21 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I agree with Jay that stopping was right but have different reasoning. It's about answering questions, not perception. http://www.arkst.com/?p=1796

well done as always.

i don't care if it was perception or your logistics....i'm just glad we stopped where we did.

i don't care if that flies against every former tuba player on this board. that's just the way i feel about it. and having you and jay feel the same way (ultimate decision) makes me feel better about my thoughts on the matter.

Mighty offensive that you keep calling everyone a tuba player trying to be derogatory. I played golf in high school, so BOOM.

Man, lay off Beed. He's one of the best posters on this board. He is mighty good at getting a rise out of some people because he speaks his mind.

5 YEAR AVERAGES



Oral Roberts

basketball attendance: 5194
basketball RPI: 105
baseball RPI: 76

#61 TV Market
10.9 mill budget(no football)


College of Charleston

basketball attendance: 3693
basketball RPI: 112
baseball RPI: 49

#99 TV Market
12.6 mill budget(no football)


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(06-01-2012 11:40 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 11:05 AM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 10:44 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 08:21 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I agree with Jay that stopping was right but have different reasoning. It's about answering questions, not perception. http://www.arkst.com/?p=1796

well done as always.

i don't care if it was perception or your logistics....i'm just glad we stopped where we did.

i don't care if that flies against every former tuba player on this board. that's just the way i feel about it. and having you and jay feel the same way (ultimate decision) makes me feel better about my thoughts on the matter.

Mighty offensive that you keep calling everyone a tuba player trying to be derogatory. I played golf in high school, so BOOM.

I thought it was funny and not meant to be derogatory, just BBB(beed being beed).

#sarcasm

(06-01-2012 12:01 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 11:05 AM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 10:44 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 08:21 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I agree with Jay that stopping was right but have different reasoning. It's about answering questions, not perception. http://www.arkst.com/?p=1796

well done as always.

i don't care if it was perception or your logistics....i'm just glad we stopped where we did.

i don't care if that flies against every former tuba player on this board. that's just the way i feel about it. and having you and jay feel the same way (ultimate decision) makes me feel better about my thoughts on the matter.

Mighty offensive that you keep calling everyone a tuba player trying to be derogatory. I played golf in high school, so BOOM.

Man, lay off Beed. He's one of the best posters on this board. He is mighty good at getting a rise out of some people because he speaks his mind.

I need to turn my sarcasm-ometer up higher apparently.

(06-01-2012 10:33 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 09:51 AM)RidgeRunner Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 08:11 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  I am going to have to disagree with the bird man on this one. When you add a team that never had much success in the FCS and another that lost to two NAIA schools and a D2 school in the last two years it is a little too late to start worrying about perception. I am not saying that they were bad additions, I am just saying they don't help right now from a perception/performance on the field standpoint. It seems a smart move would have been balancing performance history with market size. Losing FIU and NT and adding GA State and Tx State is definitely a step back in terms of football performance. The silver lining is that the CUSA took a step back as well, but the SB has lost ground to the MAC.

Broken record. GSU is in, GS is not. End of story. Football performance will be determined next year. And since you hate SBC go on over to MAC board and haunt them.

Again, I think Ga State was a good add for the Sun Belt. I was just saying that the perception argument by the writer of the article does not hold water.

Ga State can represent the SBC well this year by entering the SBC in 2013 as the CAA champions in football. However, if Ga State goes 0-8, 1-7 etc then it will not look good for the SB and do much more damage than adding two more FCS schools in Ga Southern and App State would have. I think Curry will step up and do well knowing that all the SB teams are counting on them to represent the conference. The program is now 4-5(?) years old so I would think they should be ready to beat up some FCS schools this year.

Obviously SBC's presidents disagree with you in accepting GSU instead of GS or ASU.

(06-01-2012 12:24 PM)RidgeRunner Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 10:33 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 09:51 AM)RidgeRunner Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 08:11 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  I am going to have to disagree with the bird man on this one. When you add a team that never had much success in the FCS and another that lost to two NAIA schools and a D2 school in the last two years it is a little too late to start worrying about perception. I am not saying that they were bad additions, I am just saying they don't help right now from a perception/performance on the field standpoint. It seems a smart move would have been balancing performance history with market size. Losing FIU and NT and adding GA State and Tx State is definitely a step back in terms of football performance. The silver lining is that the CUSA took a step back as well, but the SB has lost ground to the MAC.

Broken record. GSU is in, GS is not. End of story. Football performance will be determined next year. And since you hate SBC go on over to MAC board and haunt them.

Again, I think Ga State was a good add for the Sun Belt. I was just saying that the perception argument by the writer of the article does not hold water.

Ga State can represent the SBC well this year by entering the SBC in 2013 as the CAA champions in football. However, if Ga State goes 0-8, 1-7 etc then it will not look good for the SB and do much more damage than adding two more FCS schools in Ga Southern and App State would have. I think Curry will step up and do well knowing that all the SB teams are counting on them to represent the conference. The program is now 4-5(?) years old so I would think they should be ready to beat up some FCS schools this year.

Obviously SBC's presidents disagree with you in accepting GSU instead of GS or ASU.

Did you even read his comment?

(06-01-2012 12:24 PM)RidgeRunner Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 10:33 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 09:51 AM)RidgeRunner Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 08:11 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  I am going to have to disagree with the bird man on this one. When you add a team that never had much success in the FCS and another that lost to two NAIA schools and a D2 school in the last two years it is a little too late to start worrying about perception. I am not saying that they were bad additions, I am just saying they don't help right now from a perception/performance on the field standpoint. It seems a smart move would have been balancing performance history with market size. Losing FIU and NT and adding GA State and Tx State is definitely a step back in terms of football performance. The silver lining is that the CUSA took a step back as well, but the SB has lost ground to the MAC.

Broken record. GSU is in, GS is not. End of story. Football performance will be determined next year. And since you hate SBC go on over to MAC board and haunt them.

Again, I think Ga State was a good add for the Sun Belt. I was just saying that the perception argument by the writer of the article does not hold water.

Ga State can represent the SBC well this year by entering the SBC in 2013 as the CAA champions in football. However, if Ga State goes 0-8, 1-7 etc then it will not look good for the SB and do much more damage than adding two more FCS schools in Ga Southern and App State would have. I think Curry will step up and do well knowing that all the SB teams are counting on them to represent the conference. The program is now 4-5(?) years old so I would think they should be ready to beat up some FCS schools this year.

Obviously SBC's presidents disagree with you in accepting GSU instead of GS or ASU.

No doubt that market trumps all in today's environment and Ga State is a better selection if that is the criteria.

I would think a big part of the SB holding firm at 10 is that they are waiting for realignment to play out more before making another move. They probably figure that they can wait and invite App State and Ga Southern if necessary. The wildcard is that App State, Ga Southern, Liberty, Jax State move to the WAC. The WAC commissioner said they will exhaust all options to keep the conference alive. The risk for the Sun Belt is if the WAC East occurs and the CUSA takes MTSU, FAU and/or Ga State then who does the Sun Belt turn to? I would imagine that the WAC East would create strong penalties for leaving to make sure everyone is committed to the new league. The SBC could be left with 7 or 8 schools with no good options available. They could easily kill that possibility by adding App State and Ga Southern now.

(06-01-2012 12:55 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  I would think a big part of the SB holding firm at 10 is that they are waiting for realignment to play out more before making another move. They probably figure that they can wait and invite App State and Ga Southern if necessary. The wildcard is that App State, Ga Southern, Liberty, Jax State move to the WAC. The WAC commissioner said they will exhaust all options to keep the conference alive. The risk for the Sun Belt is if the WAC East occurs and the CUSA takes MTSU, FAU and/or Ga State then who does the Sun Belt turn to? I would imagine that the WAC East would create strong penalties for leaving to make sure everyone is committed to the new league. The SBC could be left with 7 or 8 schools with no good options available. They could easily kill that possibility by adding App State and Ga Southern now.

The WAC won't be in a position to enact strong exit penalties.

Why would anyone, current WAC members or incoming east members tie themselves to this conference with a prohibitive exit fee? You think Idaho or NMSU wants to risk signing that exit fee and then finally getting an invite from the MWC? Furthermore, the FCS schools in the east are the ones with the power, the WAC needs them more than they need the WAC. Yes the WAC is their entrance to FBS, but the FCS schools aren't in danger of moving backwards, if it doesn't go through, they're still right where they started, Idaho and NMSU are the ones on the sinking ship.

(06-01-2012 01:05 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 12:55 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  I would think a big part of the SB holding firm at 10 is that they are waiting for realignment to play out more before making another move. They probably figure that they can wait and invite App State and Ga Southern if necessary. The wildcard is that App State, Ga Southern, Liberty, Jax State move to the WAC. The WAC commissioner said they will exhaust all options to keep the conference alive. The risk for the Sun Belt is if the WAC East occurs and the CUSA takes MTSU, FAU and/or Ga State then who does the Sun Belt turn to? I would imagine that the WAC East would create strong penalties for leaving to make sure everyone is committed to the new league. The SBC could be left with 7 or 8 schools with no good options available. They could easily kill that possibility by adding App State and Ga Southern now.

The WAC won't be in a position to enact strong exit penalties.

Why would anyone, current WAC members or incoming east members tie themselves to this conference with a prohibitive exit fee? You think Idaho or NMSU wants to risk signing that exit fee and then finally getting an invite from the MWC? Furthermore, the FCS schools in the east are the ones with the power, the WAC needs them more than they need the WAC. Yes the WAC is their entrance to FBS, but the FCS schools aren't in danger of moving backwards, if it doesn't go through, they're still right where they started, Idaho and NMSU are the ones on the sinking ship.

The new schools that are moving FBS and joining the conference would want to make sure that everyone is committed to the league. Otherwise it is too risky to move FBS then have two or more members immediately leave for another conference which could cause the WAC East to collapse. The only way the WAC east happens is that all of the schools are committed to staying for at least 3-5 years. Therefore, everyone would have to agree to strong exit penalties to ensure that the league is not immediately raided.