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New Orleans Bowl......
I know this game has been CUSA vs. SBC from its inception but CUSA is only going to be able to certify 4 bowl games if the 7 win rule comes into play.

My latest projections have CUSA leaving the NO Bowl for the Independence.

CUSA 2014-17 cycle games
1a) Belk (CUSA East winner)
1b) Independence (CUSA West winner)
3) Ticket City
4) St. Pete

That may be it for CUSA as they don't have have enough football tradition among the remaining teams to certify more. The Big East however because they reloaded with good football teams can sign 7 bowls.

Therefore, I could see the NO bowl becoming SBC vs. Big East during the next round of bowl negotiations. There is a lot of desire in keeping the NO Bowl going because NO is an easy flight.

Beyond NO and Mobile, I think the SBC will have to wait until 2017 to land a third bowl which I think could be a new game in New Orleans vs. CUSA once both conferences mature more at the FBS level.
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RE: New Orleans Bowl......
No one cares what you think. A few weeks ago you were saying the MAC was taking the New Orleans bowl. Take your shenanigans elsewhere.
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RE: New Orleans Bowl......
(05-27-2012 10:31 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  No one cares what you think. A few weeks ago you were saying the MAC was taking the New Orleans bowl. Take your shenanigans elsewhere.

I changed my mind after calculating how many bowls each conference can certify.

I project that the Big East which will lose a couple a bowls but have a great need to pick up some more mid major games will sign the NO Bowl over CUSA.

I also have the MAC earning a spot in the Liberty Bowl vs. Big East #3. No other BCS conferences want to be associated with a small market bowl as the B1G is moving toward signing bowls in New York and Washington. CUSA and SBC can't sign the Liberty as they don't have enough 7 win tradition to certify more than a few games.
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RE: New Orleans Bowl......
(05-27-2012 10:24 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  I know this game has been CUSA vs. SBC from its inception but CUSA is only going to be able to certify 4 bowl games if the 7 win rule comes into play.

My latest projections have CUSA leaving the NO Bowl for the Independence.

CUSA 2014-17 cycle games
1a) Belk (CUSA East winner)
1b) Independence (CUSA West winner)
3) Ticket City
4) St. Pete

That may be it for CUSA as they don't have have enough football tradition among the remaining teams to certify more. The Big East however because they reloaded with good football teams can sign 7 bowls.

Therefore, I could see the NO bowl becoming SBC vs. Big East during the next round of bowl negotiations. There is a lot of desire in keeping the NO Bowl going because NO is an easy flight.

Beyond NO and Mobile, I think the SBC will have to wait until 2017 to land a third bowl which I think could be a new game in New Orleans vs. CUSA once both conferences mature more at the FBS level.

SBC vs. Big East would be nice.

The SBC won't have to wait until 2017 to get a third bowl though. There will be a third bowl way before then...
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RE: New Orleans Bowl......
(05-27-2012 10:41 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(05-27-2012 10:31 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  No one cares what you think. A few weeks ago you were saying the MAC was taking the New Orleans bowl. Take your shenanigans elsewhere.

I changed my mind after calculating how many bowls each conference can certify.

I project that the Big East which will lose a couple a bowls but have a great need to pick up some more mid major games will sign the NO Bowl over CUSA.

I also have the MAC earning a spot in the Liberty Bowl vs. Big East #3. No other BCS conferences want to be associated with a small market bowl as the B1G is moving toward signing bowls in New York and Washington. CUSA and SBC can't sign the Liberty as they don't have enough 7 win tradition to certify more than a few games.

CUSA's contract with the Liberty Bowl doesn't end until 2014. It's the seventh-oldest bowl game around and that committee isn't going to let it go from a CUSA-SEC/Big East game to a MAC-Big East game. If anything, it will be a BCS team vs BCS team game after 2014.
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RE: New Orleans Bowl......
(05-27-2012 10:43 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(05-27-2012 10:24 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  I know this game has been CUSA vs. SBC from its inception but CUSA is only going to be able to certify 4 bowl games if the 7 win rule comes into play.

My latest projections have CUSA leaving the NO Bowl for the Independence.

CUSA 2014-17 cycle games
1a) Belk (CUSA East winner)
1b) Independence (CUSA West winner)
3) Ticket City
4) St. Pete

That may be it for CUSA as they don't have have enough football tradition among the remaining teams to certify more. The Big East however because they reloaded with good football teams can sign 7 bowls.

Therefore, I could see the NO bowl becoming SBC vs. Big East during the next round of bowl negotiations. There is a lot of desire in keeping the NO Bowl going because NO is an easy flight.

Beyond NO and Mobile, I think the SBC will have to wait until 2017 to land a third bowl which I think could be a new game in New Orleans vs. CUSA once both conferences mature more at the FBS level.

SBC vs. Big East would be nice.

The SBC won't have to wait until 2017 to get a third bowl though. There will be a third bowl way before then...

OK.....So where is that 3rd bowl going to be? New Mexico?
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RE: New Orleans Bowl......
(05-27-2012 10:49 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(05-27-2012 10:43 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(05-27-2012 10:24 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  I know this game has been CUSA vs. SBC from its inception but CUSA is only going to be able to certify 4 bowl games if the 7 win rule comes into play.

My latest projections have CUSA leaving the NO Bowl for the Independence.

CUSA 2014-17 cycle games
1a) Belk (CUSA East winner)
1b) Independence (CUSA West winner)
3) Ticket City
4) St. Pete

That may be it for CUSA as they don't have have enough football tradition among the remaining teams to certify more. The Big East however because they reloaded with good football teams can sign 7 bowls.

Therefore, I could see the NO bowl becoming SBC vs. Big East during the next round of bowl negotiations. There is a lot of desire in keeping the NO Bowl going because NO is an easy flight.

Beyond NO and Mobile, I think the SBC will have to wait until 2017 to land a third bowl which I think could be a new game in New Orleans vs. CUSA once both conferences mature more at the FBS level.

SBC vs. Big East would be nice.

The SBC won't have to wait until 2017 to get a third bowl though. There will be a third bowl way before then...

OK.....So where is that 3rd bowl going to be? New Mexico?

Little Rock, ArKansas
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RE: New Orleans Bowl......
(05-27-2012 10:24 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  I know this game has been CUSA vs. SBC from its inception but CUSA is only going to be able to certify 4 bowl games if the 7 win rule comes into play.

My latest projections have CUSA leaving the NO Bowl for the Independence.

CUSA 2014-17 cycle games
1a) Belk (CUSA East winner)
1b) Independence (CUSA West winner)
3) Ticket City
4) St. Pete

That may be it for CUSA as they don't have have enough football tradition among the remaining teams to certify more. The Big East however because they reloaded with good football teams can sign 7 bowls.

Therefore, I could see the NO bowl becoming SBC vs. Big East during the next round of bowl negotiations. There is a lot of desire in keeping the NO Bowl going because NO is an easy flight.

Beyond NO and Mobile, I think the SBC will have to wait until 2017 to land a third bowl which I think could be a new game in New Orleans vs. CUSA once both conferences mature more at the FBS level.

Okay.
1. The 7 game limit hasn't been implemented to date.
2. Everybody says the Liberty will go to the Big East because Memphis is located there, but nobody says the same about the NO bowl and the fact Tulane is there.
3. Odds are with 14 teams and maybe more (MTSU,FAU,etc) CUSA will have at least 5-6 teams with 6-7 wins.
4. Enough football tradition (whatever that means):
Tulsa, Southern Miss, Marshall, East Carolina, Louisiana Tech, UTEP, FIU, etc. I'd say there is plenty of tradition there.
5. "Once mature at the FBS level". What?
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RE: New Orleans Bowl......
(05-27-2012 10:48 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(05-27-2012 10:41 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(05-27-2012 10:31 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  No one cares what you think. A few weeks ago you were saying the MAC was taking the New Orleans bowl. Take your shenanigans elsewhere.

I changed my mind after calculating how many bowls each conference can certify.

I project that the Big East which will lose a couple a bowls but have a great need to pick up some more mid major games will sign the NO Bowl over CUSA.

I also have the MAC earning a spot in the Liberty Bowl vs. Big East #3. No other BCS conferences want to be associated with a small market bowl as the B1G is moving toward signing bowls in New York and Washington. CUSA and SBC can't sign the Liberty as they don't have enough 7 win tradition to certify more than a few games.

CUSA's contract with the Liberty Bowl doesn't end until 2014. It's the seventh-oldest bowl game around and that committee isn't going to let it go from a CUSA-Big East game to a MAC-Big East game. If anything, it will be a BCS team vs BCS team game after 2014.

A few points:

-I'm talking 2014 here so when CUSA's contract ends in 2014 is not relevant to the discussion.

-The Liberty was reduced to the SEC #8 pick in the current bowl cycle. I doubt they'll still be interested in the game come 2014 when they have a new bowl against the B12 starting up.

-The Big Ten has stated it wants to pull out of Florida and Texas bowl games and align itself with big media markets like New York and possibly Washington. My projections have the B1G replacing the Gator with the Pinstripe and the Texas Car Care with the Military Bowl.

The SEC then dumps its tie with the Liberty for the Texas Car Care bowl as they want to throw TAMU a recruiting bone.

-I don't think the Big 5 conferences will be eager to play the BE in bowl games so I can see where the Liberty would be left hanging w/o a Big 5 conference on the other side.

-The MAC has a partial scheduling agreement with Army and could extend that to BYU in the name of a few more bowl opportunities, to include perhaps the Liberty.
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RE: New Orleans Bowl......
(05-27-2012 10:55 AM)Usajags Wrote:  
(05-27-2012 10:49 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(05-27-2012 10:43 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(05-27-2012 10:24 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  I know this game has been CUSA vs. SBC from its inception but CUSA is only going to be able to certify 4 bowl games if the 7 win rule comes into play.

My latest projections have CUSA leaving the NO Bowl for the Independence.

CUSA 2014-17 cycle games
1a) Belk (CUSA East winner)
1b) Independence (CUSA West winner)
3) Ticket City
4) St. Pete

That may be it for CUSA as they don't have have enough football tradition among the remaining teams to certify more. The Big East however because they reloaded with good football teams can sign 7 bowls.

Therefore, I could see the NO bowl becoming SBC vs. Big East during the next round of bowl negotiations. There is a lot of desire in keeping the NO Bowl going because NO is an easy flight.

Beyond NO and Mobile, I think the SBC will have to wait until 2017 to land a third bowl which I think could be a new game in New Orleans vs. CUSA once both conferences mature more at the FBS level.

SBC vs. Big East would be nice.

The SBC won't have to wait until 2017 to get a third bowl though. There will be a third bowl way before then...

OK.....So where is that 3rd bowl going to be? New Mexico?

Little Rock, ArKansas

Against the Southland Conference?
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RE: New Orleans Bowl......
(05-27-2012 10:56 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  
(05-27-2012 10:24 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  I know this game has been CUSA vs. SBC from its inception but CUSA is only going to be able to certify 4 bowl games if the 7 win rule comes into play.

My latest projections have CUSA leaving the NO Bowl for the Independence.

CUSA 2014-17 cycle games
1a) Belk (CUSA East winner)
1b) Independence (CUSA West winner)
3) Ticket City
4) St. Pete

That may be it for CUSA as they don't have have enough football tradition among the remaining teams to certify more. The Big East however because they reloaded with good football teams can sign 7 bowls.

Therefore, I could see the NO bowl becoming SBC vs. Big East during the next round of bowl negotiations. There is a lot of desire in keeping the NO Bowl going because NO is an easy flight.

Beyond NO and Mobile, I think the SBC will have to wait until 2017 to land a third bowl which I think could be a new game in New Orleans vs. CUSA once both conferences mature more at the FBS level.

Okay.
1. The 7 game limit hasn't been implemented to date.
2. Everybody says the Liberty will go to the Big East because Memphis is located there, but nobody says the same about the NO bowl and the fact Tulane is there.
3. Odds are with 14 teams and maybe more (MTSU,FAU,etc) CUSA will have at least 5-6 teams with 6-7 wins.
4. Enough football tradition (whatever that means):
Tulsa, Southern Miss, Marshall, East Carolina, Louisiana Tech, UTEP, FIU, etc. I'd say there is plenty of tradition there.
5. "Once mature at the FBS level". What?

1. The current certification rules are that a conference can count the average of its 7 win teams toward its bowl numbers AND its number of 6 win teams can be applied toward back up agreements.

With new rules disallowing 6 win back ups, that will put 4-5 games out of existence; Kraft Fight for Hunger, Potato Bowl, BBVA Compass, Armed Forces are the most likely games out. The Sun Belt won't be able to bring any new games forward in 2014 in the bowl climate of trimming back.

2. The Big East has an a conditional agreement with the Liberty Bowl even without Memphis in the conference. With Memphis in the conference I couldn't see the Liberty giving the Big East anything less than a tie-in.

3. The problem CUSA has is that it replaced some of its more successful football teams in UCF, Houston and SMU....schools likely to be the 7 game winners in 2012 with 3 FCS upgrades in ODU, Charlotte, UTSA that have never played a down at the top level. In the short term (and I'm talking for the 2010-13 averages) CUSA is going to be in a world of hurt UNLESS Houston, UCF, SMU have poor 2012 in conference while the new schools come into CUSA year 1 and pump out 7 win seasons.

CUSA 7 win teams (2008-2011) new lineup:

CUSA
2011 (5)
2010 (3)
2009 (3)
2008 (5)

Its very difficult to see CUSA improving on those numbers much if at all over the next 2 seasons in advance of the 2014 cycle.

4. I'm defining football tradition as the amount of 7 win teams a conference has averaged over the previous 4 seasons.

7 win tradition, something CUSA is woefully lacking in once the conference remodeling effort is underway.

5. Once mature, meaning once Charlotte, Old Dominion, UT-San Antonio, Texas State, Georgia State, South Alabama have all played at the FBS level for a solid 4-5 years both CUSA and the SBC will be in a position to sign more bowl games for the 2017 cycle.

CUSA will eventually be a 6 bowl conference again with a new game in San Antonio but not right away. There is loads of potential for both CUSA and the SBC but it will be a few years before its realized.

In the meantime, I would expect the MAC to gain some ground on the bowl front especially if it picks up the slack on the Army/BYU agreements because the MAC can certify 4 games and only has Mobile signed for 2014-17. They'll have their pick of the remaining games they wish to sign for the next cycle.

Detroit if they can, Hawaii since CUSA will want out of that and MAYBE something like the Liberty if the SEC pulls out of Memphis.
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RE: New Orleans Bowl......
(05-27-2012 10:24 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  I know this game has been CUSA vs. SBC from its inception but CUSA is only going to be able to certify 4 bowl games if the 7 win rule comes into play.

My latest projections have CUSA leaving the NO Bowl for the Independence.

CUSA 2014-17 cycle games
1a) Belk (CUSA East winner)
1b) Independence (CUSA West winner)
3) Ticket City
4) St. Pete

That may be it for CUSA as they don't have have enough football tradition among the remaining teams to certify more. The Big East however because they reloaded with good football teams can sign 7 bowls.

Therefore, I could see the NO bowl becoming SBC vs. Big East during the next round of bowl negotiations. There is a lot of desire in keeping the NO Bowl going because NO is an easy flight.

Beyond NO and Mobile, I think the SBC will have to wait until 2017 to land a third bowl which I think could be a new game in New Orleans vs. CUSA once both conferences mature more at the FBS level.
----I guess you know that the game this year was between a SBC and BE team----Louisiana against San Diego StTE!!!
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RE: New Orleans Bowl......
(05-27-2012 10:55 AM)Usajags Wrote:  
(05-27-2012 10:49 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(05-27-2012 10:43 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(05-27-2012 10:24 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  I know this game has been CUSA vs. SBC from its inception but CUSA is only going to be able to certify 4 bowl games if the 7 win rule comes into play.

My latest projections have CUSA leaving the NO Bowl for the Independence.

CUSA 2014-17 cycle games
1a) Belk (CUSA East winner)
1b) Independence (CUSA West winner)
3) Ticket City
4) St. Pete

That may be it for CUSA as they don't have have enough football tradition among the remaining teams to certify more. The Big East however because they reloaded with good football teams can sign 7 bowls.

Therefore, I could see the NO bowl becoming SBC vs. Big East during the next round of bowl negotiations. There is a lot of desire in keeping the NO Bowl going because NO is an easy flight.

Beyond NO and Mobile, I think the SBC will have to wait until 2017 to land a third bowl which I think could be a new game in New Orleans vs. CUSA once both conferences mature more at the FBS level.

SBC vs. Big East would be nice.

The SBC won't have to wait until 2017 to get a third bowl though. There will be a third bowl way before then...

OK.....So where is that 3rd bowl going to be? New Mexico?

Little Rock, ArKansas

War Memorial Stadium would be a GREAT place for a bowl... right in SBC territory. Game against CUSA or Big East would be amazing.
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RE: New Orleans Bowl......
The Independence Bowl wants the SEC and Big 12 in this game. If CUSA gets involved, it will solely be under a backup agreement.
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RE: New Orleans Bowl......
What happens to the Sugar Bowl now that the SEC-Big 12 have an agreement for the champs to play if not involved in playoff???
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RE: New Orleans Bowl......
(05-27-2012 10:24 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  I know this game has been CUSA vs. SBC from its inception but CUSA is only going to be able to certify 4 bowl games if the 7 win rule comes into play.

My latest projections have CUSA leaving the NO Bowl for the Independence.

CUSA 2014-17 cycle games
1a) Belk (CUSA East winner)
1b) Independence (CUSA West winner)
3) Ticket City
4) St. Pete

That may be it for CUSA as they don't have have enough football tradition among the remaining teams to certify more. The Big East however because they reloaded with good football teams can sign 7 bowls.

Therefore, I could see the NO bowl becoming SBC vs. Big East during the next round of bowl negotiations. There is a lot of desire in keeping the NO Bowl going because NO is an easy flight.

Beyond NO and Mobile, I think the SBC will have to wait until 2017 to land a third bowl which I think could be a new game in New Orleans vs. CUSA once both conferences mature more at the FBS level.

With all your knowledge of the NCAA regulations, and your ability to certify bowls for conferences I'd say you should look into a job in that field. Hell, I bet Phil Steele would love to have someone as knowledgable as you on his staff, he would probably rename it the Louis kitton College football Preview given your great reputation. *sarcasm off*
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(05-27-2012 04:23 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  The Independence Bowl wants the SEC and Big 12 in this game. If CUSA gets involved, it will solely be under a backup agreement.

I thought I read somewhere the Indy bowl people were involved in La Tech's meeting with CUSA and are in favor of giving CUSA the bowl.
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(05-27-2012 09:08 PM)ntmeangreen11 Wrote:  
(05-27-2012 04:23 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  The Independence Bowl wants the SEC and Big 12 in this game. If CUSA gets involved, it will solely be under a backup agreement.

I thought I read somewhere the Indy bowl people were involved in La Tech's meeting with CUSA and are in favor of giving CUSA the bowl.

That bowl survives off of money from the city. They want big name draws to ensure a solid gate. They would do backup agreements with CUSA, but they are not going to give them the bowl as the initial option.
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RE: New Orleans Bowl......
I have no idea what will happen with the New Orleans Bowl, but the Big East will have a group of games for the Eastern teams, a group of bowls for the Western teams, and the Liberty able to move either way.

- Champs Bowl vs. ACC (with continuation of 1-in-4 clause for Notre Dame)
- Pinstripe Bowl vs. Big Ten
- Belk or DC Bowl vs. ACC
- Beef O'Brady's Bowl vs. Whoever

- Liberty Bowl vs. SEC

- Emerald Bowl vs. Pac-12
- Poinsettia Bowl vs. Pac-12
- One of the Texas Bowls vs. Big 12 (likely with 1-in-4 clause for Notre Dame)

The game the SEC and Big East will drop is the Papa John's Bowl. If the Belk dumps the Big East, look for them and the ACC to move that match-up to DC, with the Belk then getting the last pick from the ACC.
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The seven win rule has not passed, while there is certainly a great deal of support for a seven win rule the issue of how to put people out of business has not been addressed nor the potential anti-trust issues. There is also concern about making sure every 7 win team is accommodated in some manner. Until those issues are resolved, we don't have a seven win rule.

As to the Liberty, the assumption that Liberty will go Big East is not just based on Memphis going to the Big East. In case you have forgotten, the Liberty changed its agreement with C-USA for 2010-13 to allow them to dump C-USA once in the cycle for a Big East and they opted to do that last year despite the availability of a ranked Southern Miss as champion. The SEC is in position to contract even more bowls since expanding, Liberty isn't going off the SEC roster.

Now the Independence. They lost Big XII v. SEC and would like to keep a top name league. They went with MWC vs. ACC. What made the MWC attractive was the chance to get BYU, TCU, or Air Force. Only AFA remains in the MWC and with the Big East going to 13 in football in 2015 and an apparent interest in AFA, don't rule out that AFA will announce by June 30, 2013 that they will join Big East in 2015. The ACC has been disappointing in their ticket sales and reports around the ACC have been that the league will try to find a more southeastern bowl opportunity to replace it in the 2014-17 cycle.

Little Rock. I was involved in some of the meetings when an established bowl promoter came to town to gauge interest and talked with people involved in some of the other meetings. At that point, no significant local sponsorship appeared likely because the game was going to be Sun Belt vs. MAC. This is not a new development. When the Independence was teetering on extinction back before they secured the SEC-BigXII deal (late 80's) the organizers approached Little Rock and Jackson, MS about rotating the game between Shreveport and one or both sites. Little Rock dismissed the idea as did Jackson.
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