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FSU to the Big 12 – “It is Inevitable”
May 20, 2012 | 1:35 PM
By Ingram Smith

According to two people with the strongest ties possible to Florida State's Athletic Department, FSU fully plans on exiting the Atlantic Coast Conference. Florida State will begin its transition to the Big 12 Conference beginning this June. One source went as far as to say, "at this point the move is inevitable."

Important dates to watch will be: May 30th, the Big 12 will have its conference meetings. June 15th, the new commissioner of the Big 12 when Bob Bowlsby will take office and August 15th, the deadline for any institution to withdraw from the ACC.

http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2012/05/fsu-t...nevitable/


May 20 3:05p
by Rodger Sherman

The chatter surrounding Florida State's movement from the ACC to the Big 12 is growing, and fun, for people who are big fans of chatter. One person -- Ingram Smith of ChuckOliver.net -- reports that it's inevitable, and that Clemson is an "almost certain" addition as well.

(However, Dave Sittler of the Tulsa World describes the Big 12 as still very much divided on the subject, and Chip Brown of Orangebloods.com adds, "anyone saying Notre Dame, Florida State or Clemson are done deals are talking to people with wishful thinking.")

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/20...ansion-acc
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ACC desperately needs to add Notre Dame to survive.
05-20-2012 04:43 PM
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This is going to trickle down more...03-hissyfit
05-20-2012 04:54 PM
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RE: FSU to the Big 12 – “It is Inevitable”
This will eventually hit the Sun Belt, I wonder if they will vote to be proactive or reactive? I also wonder who, if any, will get plucked out of the SBC.
05-20-2012 05:13 PM
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Sun Belt should be proactive and add Ga Southern and App State to end any thoughts of a WAC East conference. If the Sun Belt waits around too long, Ga Southern, App State, Liberty, Jax State, JMU, Lamar, Delaware, Coastal Carolina and others may approach the WAC. Liberty organized a meeting with some of these schools recently to discuss the option of a new conference which would mean "WAC East".
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(05-20-2012 04:54 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  This is going to trickle down more...03-hissyfit

Yep. I wouldn't be surprised to see Miami to the Big 12 or SEC coming up sometime soon... Clemson to the Big 12 also looks possible.
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VT and NC State possibly to the SEC. Miami possibly to the Big 12. Louisville, Cincinnati, UConn, Rutgers, and USF all waiting in line for an ACC invite. Big Ten also lurking.
05-20-2012 07:00 PM
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RE: FSU to the Big 12 – “It is Inevitable”
When these 16 team super conferences form the "elite 64" what's to stop them from branching off and forming a new division with a playoff? We all know those 4 conferences have the most power. It's a damn shame too this is really getting out of hand.
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The 64 teams can't just play each other or you will have 32 losing programs.....they still need the other 60+ teams...
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(05-20-2012 07:47 PM)CrushMI Wrote:  The 64 teams can't just play each other or you will have 32 losing programs.....they still need the other 60+ teams...
Amazing that people don't get that. Not only does it turn the perennial 5-7 win "AQ" schools into perennial 3-5 win schools with no bowl hopes, it takes away the revenue of 2 home games a year for most.

In the end, not much will change. We will be mixed into conferences that have little chance of a national title and we will all get by with less money than the top 50 or so schools. How many schools are in each conference is not really that relevant.
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The trickle down doesnt always go in progression. Remember this mess destroyed a league "above" the Belt over time (the WAC). CUSA could get picked apart by the ACC, Big East and Mtn West.

I don't think the SEC is going to sit back and watch Virginia Tech slip away if they're available to move anywhere. The problem with all this is that the big dog in the room can pick the pieces it wants. The SEC will get the best two then the Big 12, and whats left of the ACC will then pick apart the remnants of the Big East.

That is if any of this happens. We're better off, AND I MEAN EVERYONE, if we stick together. The Big 12 went from "dead man walking" to the power player because of the stability the grant of rights provided.
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I posted this in another thread on the C-USA Board....In my opinion, it's only a matter of time before the "Power Conferences" separate themselves into their own league/division and keep all the $$$$ for themselves. That's what this is really about. I used to laugh at that notion whenever it was brought up in the past, but it is becoming crystal clear that the wheels are in motion for exactly that. It may be sooner than later that we find ourselves back to the 1-A/1-AA type system again. The C-USA, MWC, MAC, Sun Belt and possibly even the nBE/ACC on the outside looking in!! It's sad...really sad.
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They are being very calculating about this so as to avoid an antitrust suit. There doesnt have to be a separate division or sub division. We know who the Big 4 are now. That is enough to lock everyone else out. I really feel sorry for the ECU's
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(05-20-2012 09:09 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  The Big 12 went from "dead man walking" to the power player because of the stability the grant of rights provided.

If we do a Grant of Rights we all survive.
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Seriously, what are our rights worth at this point. What SBC school would sign away their future like that.
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(05-20-2012 10:57 PM)panama Wrote:  Seriously, what are our rights worth at this point. What SBC school would sign away their future like that.

What Sun Belt school WOULDN'T sign away their rights for five years? To a tv contract that doesn't make that much money anyway. None of our schools are getting in the Big East or ACC anyway. And is getting in Conference USA worth the potential of a destabilized home and the possibility you aren't picked? The CUSA schools probably cant agree to this because so many have a legitimate shot at the Big East in the event of more chaos?

It's not like our strongest partners (Troy, Arkansas State) are likely to ever be selected based on this latest round of silliness. The Big 12 said sign or leave. Everyone would sign unless they had someplace else to go. Which no one does.
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The grant of rights means the conference controls not only psyment for but whether a school will be on tv. That'd mean no one would leave. Where would the WAC be if they just lost Boise? Which went to the Big East anyway. The MWC would be the one crippled.
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(05-20-2012 11:21 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  
(05-20-2012 10:57 PM)panama Wrote:  Seriously, what are our rights worth at this point. What SBC school would sign away their future like that.

What Sun Belt school WOULDN'T sign away their rights for five years? To a tv contract that doesn't make that much money anyway. None of our schools are getting in the Big East or ACC anyway. And is getting in Conference USA worth the potential of a destabilized home and the possibility you aren't picked? The CUSA schools probably cant agree to this because so many have a legitimate shot at the Big East in the event of more chaos?

It's not like our strongest partners (Troy, Arkansas State) are likely to ever be selected based on this latest round of silliness. The Big 12 said sign or leave. Everyone would sign unless they had someplace else to go. Which no one does.

Would a school like MT who is next in line to move sign?
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MT or any school next in line or whom thought they were next in line would be forced either to sign or leave immediately. That's what the B12 did and why it worked.
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(05-20-2012 10:24 PM)panama Wrote:  They are being very calculating about this so as to avoid an antitrust suit. There doesnt have to be a separate division or sub division. We know who the Big 4 are now. That is enough to lock everyone else out. I really feel sorry for the ECU's
They have to be careful. However, are the ECU's of the world really losing anything in a 4 team playoff? It's not like anyone outside ot the SEC, Big 12, Pac-12 or Big Ten has been playing for national titles before. "Oh my God, they are going to fix it where the big 4 play in every title game!" "Oh my God, the big 4 are going to have all the money!" This is different than the current situation how?

There is already a division. That's fine with me. It beats playing in FCS. On the upside, the big boys will always need us to fill out their schedules to make sure they have the optimum number of home games. As they get more money, the price we demand for a guarantee game will only increase.

I have yet to see anything that signals a huge change in the allocation of resources, status, etc. in FBS football.

Also, even a small playoff is a step in the right direction towards a legitimate playoff with a real champion. THAT would signal a real change.
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