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RE: Panthersville: This deserves its own thread
I am telling ya, it is purely because they are in Atl. Same with UNCC in Charlotte. Doesn't matter if they win or not. That is what the networks want, so that is what the conferences give them. I am not saying it is right and I don't agree with it. I agree with what was mentioned earlier that it probably won't be the best option long term, but it is what it is.

I happen to be in the media sales business for a very large company. I have asked around a great deal about this lately because it just didn't make sense to me that you would go after potential just because of the large market. Every single person I asked told me the same thing. It's not about the team, their budget, their academics. It is all about the location.
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(05-18-2012 08:10 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  I am telling ya, it is purely because they are in Atl. Same with UNCC in Charlotte. Doesn't matter if they win or not. That is what the networks want, so that is what the conferences give them. I am not saying it is right and I don't agree with it. I agree with what was mentioned earlier that it probably won't be the best option long term, but it is what it is.

I happen to be in the media sales business for a very large company. I have asked around a great deal about this lately because it just didn't make sense to me that you would go after potential just because of the large market. Every single person I asked told me the same thing. It's not about the team, their budget, their academics. It is all about the location.

That is the most ridiculous logic ever...yea...lets pass on ECU (a non-bcs school with a bcs like fanbase) and take tulane (large city with about as many fans as an igloo). Seriously, people with these kind of mindsets need to be fired out of a cannon.
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(05-18-2012 08:10 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  I am telling ya, it is purely because they are in Atl. Same with UNCC in Charlotte. Doesn't matter if they win or not. That is what the networks want, so that is what the conferences give them. I am not saying it is right and I don't agree with it. I agree with what was mentioned earlier that it probably won't be the best option long term, but it is what it is.

I happen to be in the media sales business for a very large company. I have asked around a great deal about this lately because it just didn't make sense to me that you would go after potential just because of the large market. Every single person I asked told me the same thing. It's not about the team, their budget, their academics. It is all about the location.

Yet the biggest TV market league has the 6th best contract. MWC before losing the quality had a tiny market and 7th best contract while CUSA with a much larger TV reach had the 8th best contract.
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(05-18-2012 08:50 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-18-2012 08:10 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  I am telling ya, it is purely because they are in Atl. Same with UNCC in Charlotte. Doesn't matter if they win or not. That is what the networks want, so that is what the conferences give them. I am not saying it is right and I don't agree with it. I agree with what was mentioned earlier that it probably won't be the best option long term, but it is what it is.

I happen to be in the media sales business for a very large company. I have asked around a great deal about this lately because it just didn't make sense to me that you would go after potential just because of the large market. Every single person I asked told me the same thing. It's not about the team, their budget, their academics. It is all about the location.

Yet the biggest TV market league has the 6th best contract. MWC before losing the quality had a tiny market and 7th best contract while CUSA with a much larger TV reach had the 8th best contract.

You can't compare it to the Big Ten, SEC schools etc. It's a whole different ball game nowadays.

Florida is located in a small town like most of the big time schools. But you know what happens when they are on TV? They don't just pull in one market, they pull in Tampa, Jax, Orlando etc. Schools like that have such a large following it doesn't matter where they are located.

Now take an App or a Georgia Southern that doesn't have near the fan base OR the media market but has had some success at their level and does have a loyal following. In order for one of us to move in these days and times it is very tough because we are not in the big media market like a UNCC or Ga State.
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(05-18-2012 08:42 PM)Tuffguy21 Wrote:  That is the most ridiculous logic ever...yea...lets pass on ECU (a non-bcs school with a bcs like fanbase) and take tulane (large city with about as many fans as an igloo). Seriously, people with these kind of mindsets need to be fired out of a cannon.

Never said it was about logic. Tulane may not have a lot of fans, Ga State and UNCC don't have a lot of fans yet but somehow they are in the SBC/CUSA?
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(05-18-2012 09:08 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  
(05-18-2012 08:50 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-18-2012 08:10 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  I am telling ya, it is purely because they are in Atl. Same with UNCC in Charlotte. Doesn't matter if they win or not. That is what the networks want, so that is what the conferences give them. I am not saying it is right and I don't agree with it. I agree with what was mentioned earlier that it probably won't be the best option long term, but it is what it is.

I happen to be in the media sales business for a very large company. I have asked around a great deal about this lately because it just didn't make sense to me that you would go after potential just because of the large market. Every single person I asked told me the same thing. It's not about the team, their budget, their academics. It is all about the location.

Yet the biggest TV market league has the 6th best contract. MWC before losing the quality had a tiny market and 7th best contract while CUSA with a much larger TV reach had the 8th best contract.

You can't compare it to the Big Ten, SEC schools etc. It's a whole different ball game nowadays.

Florida is located in a small town like most of the big time schools. But you know what happens when they are on TV? They don't just pull in one market, they pull in Tampa, Jax, Orlando etc. Schools like that have such a large following it doesn't matter where they are located.

Now take an App or a Georgia Southern that doesn't have near the fan base OR the media market but has had some success at their level and does have a loyal following. In order for one of us to move in these days and times it is very tough because we are not in the big media market like a UNCC or Ga State.

Give it up dipwad.

You are less than zero in the least BCS conference.

Act like it.
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(05-18-2012 09:11 PM)Senatobia Wrote:  Give it up dipwad.

You are less than zero in the least BCS conference.

Act like it.

What exactly are you talking about?
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(05-18-2012 09:14 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  
(05-18-2012 09:11 PM)Senatobia Wrote:  Give it up dipwad.

You are less than zero in the least BCS conference.

Act like it.

What exactly are you talking about?

My bad, thought I was replying to Pantherville. He annoys the crap out of me.
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For the record I am all for the small target teams. Not only because I went to school at one. For the life of me I don't get why a Georgia Southern vs App game on TV wouldn't make more sense than a Ga State or UNCC vs anyone. But this whole media market non sense has us hand tied.
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(05-18-2012 09:08 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  
(05-18-2012 08:50 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-18-2012 08:10 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  I am telling ya, it is purely because they are in Atl. Same with UNCC in Charlotte. Doesn't matter if they win or not. That is what the networks want, so that is what the conferences give them. I am not saying it is right and I don't agree with it. I agree with what was mentioned earlier that it probably won't be the best option long term, but it is what it is.

I happen to be in the media sales business for a very large company. I have asked around a great deal about this lately because it just didn't make sense to me that you would go after potential just because of the large market. Every single person I asked told me the same thing. It's not about the team, their budget, their academics. It is all about the location.

Yet the biggest TV market league has the 6th best contract. MWC before losing the quality had a tiny market and 7th best contract while CUSA with a much larger TV reach had the 8th best contract.

You can't compare it to the Big Ten, SEC schools etc. It's a whole different ball game nowadays.

Florida is located in a small town like most of the big time schools. But you know what happens when they are on TV? They don't just pull in one market, they pull in Tampa, Jax, Orlando etc. Schools like that have such a large following it doesn't matter where they are located.

Now take an App or a Georgia Southern that doesn't have near the fan base OR the media market but has had some success at their level and does have a loyal following. In order for one of us to move in these days and times it is very tough because we are not in the big media market like a UNCC or Ga State.

That doesn't address why MWC made more per team than CUSA or WAC for a time made more than MAC. In both cases the league with smaller number of TV households made more.

I can explain it. MWC had highly successful teams that drew interest outside their market to offset CUSA's advantage just as the WAC used nationally relevant teams to offset MAC advantage.
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(05-18-2012 10:18 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  That doesn't address why MWC made more per team than CUSA or WAC for a time made more than MAC. In both cases the league with smaller number of TV households made more.

I can explain it. MWC had highly successful teams that drew interest outside their market to offset CUSA's advantage just as the WAC used nationally relevant teams to offset MAC advantage.

I agree. So using that logic, why does the SBC and CUSA take Ga State and UNCC?
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(05-18-2012 10:18 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  That doesn't address why MWC made more per team than CUSA or WAC for a time made more than MAC. In both cases the league with smaller number of TV households made more.

I can explain it. MWC had highly successful teams that drew interest outside their market to offset CUSA's advantage just as the WAC used nationally relevant teams to offset MAC advantage.

I agree. So using that logic, why does the SBC and CUSA take Ga State and UNCC?

CUSA announced a plan to merge with MWC and have four team playoff for the football title without bothering to look at the NCAA rules. You expect good judgment from them?
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(05-19-2012 01:23 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  CUSA announced a plan to merge with MWC and have four team playoff for the football title without bothering to look at the NCAA rules. You expect good judgment from them?

I guess that is where the misscommunication is. I am not trying to sell anyone on the fact it was a rational or good decision. I am stating that the move was made solely based on the media market. Not money, academics, athletic success. The fact the conferences can say and sell the fact that they have a presence in Atl and Charlotte is all the matters. Potential and/or success down the road is a bonus not the driving factor.
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(05-18-2012 10:25 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  
(05-18-2012 10:18 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  That doesn't address why MWC made more per team than CUSA or WAC for a time made more than MAC. In both cases the league with smaller number of TV households made more.

I can explain it. MWC had highly successful teams that drew interest outside their market to offset CUSA's advantage just as the WAC used nationally relevant teams to offset MAC advantage.

I agree. So using that logic, why does the SBC and CUSA take Ga State and UNCC?

Because the situation has changed. Most nationally relevant teams from these conferences have moved on.
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(05-18-2012 10:25 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  
(05-18-2012 10:18 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  That doesn't address why MWC made more per team than CUSA or WAC for a time made more than MAC. In both cases the league with smaller number of TV households made more.

I can explain it. MWC had highly successful teams that drew interest outside their market to offset CUSA's advantage just as the WAC used nationally relevant teams to offset MAC advantage.

I agree. So using that logic, why does the SBC and CUSA take Ga State and UNCC?

Because if you are in a small market, you have to be very successful on a national level like Boise and Utah in the MWC. Having the national success like Boise is much more valuable than having a program in a top 5 market. The problem is that Boise is only non BCS conference small school that has managed to become a consistent winner on a national level. Since that rarely happens, the next criteria is large market. FCS success translating to Boise FBS success is such a low % that it really does not factor into the equation for being selected for a conference.
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