Lets see what the market sizes for the NEW SBC stack up....

1. Georgia State, (Atlanta metro) population...5,831,778

2. FAU, Boca Raton (Miami metro)... 5,547,051

3. Texas State, (Austin–Round Rock–San Marcos Metro)...1,705,075

4. MTSU, (Nashville metro)...1,589,934

5. USA, (Mobile Metro)...602,877

6. Troy, (Montgomery/Dothan Metro)...546,929

7. ULL,(Lafayette Metro)... 546,834

8. ULM ,(Monroe metro)...170,053

9.WKU, (Bowling Green Metro)...120,595

10. ASU, (Jonesboro metro)...118,830

(05-17-2012 12:54 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Lets see what the market sizes for the NEW SBC stack up....

1. Georgia State, (Atlanta metro) population...5,831,778

2. FAU, Boca Raton (Miami metro)... 5,547,051

3. Texas State, (Austin–Round Rock–San Marcos Metro)...1,705,075

4. MTSU, (Nashville metro)...1,589,934

5. USA, (Mobile Metro)...602,877

6. Troy, (Montgomery/Dothan Metro)...546,929

7. ULL,(Lafayette Metro)... 546,834

8. ULM ,(Monroe metro)...170,053

9.WKU, (Bowling Green Metro)...120,595

10. ASU, (Jonesboro metro)...118,830

...but losing GSU and FAU wouldn't hurt the SBC.

(05-17-2012 01:05 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 12:54 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Lets see what the market sizes for the NEW SBC stack up....

1. Georgia State, (Atlanta metro) population...5,831,778

2. FAU, Boca Raton (Miami metro)... 5,547,051

3. Texas State, (Austin–Round Rock–San Marcos Metro)...1,705,075

4. MTSU, (Nashville metro)...1,589,934

5. USA, (Mobile Metro)...602,877

6. Troy, (Montgomery/Dothan Metro)...546,929

7. ULL,(Lafayette Metro)... 546,834

8. ULM ,(Monroe metro)...170,053

9.WKU, (Bowling Green Metro)...120,595

10. ASU, (Jonesboro metro)...118,830

...but losing GSU and FAU wouldn't hurt the SBC.

In terms of quality of programs...No....TROY, ASU, ULL, MTSU are traditional SBC powers....Sorry

(05-17-2012 12:54 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Lets see what the market sizes for the NEW SBC stack up....

1. Georgia State, (Atlanta metro) population...5,831,778

2. FAU, Boca Raton (Miami metro)... 5,547,051

3. Texas State, (Austin–Round Rock–San Marcos Metro)...1,705,075

4. MTSU, (Nashville metro)...1,589,934

5. USA, (Mobile Metro)...602,877

6. Troy, (Montgomery/Dothan Metro)...546,929

7. ULL,(Lafayette Metro)... 546,834

8. ULM ,(Monroe metro)...170,053

9.WKU, (Bowling Green Metro)...120,595

10. ASU, (Jonesboro metro)...118,830

So tell me again how Troy is in the Dothan market, located 57 miles southeast of Troy? And how is Troy in the Montgomery Market located 48 miles to the northwest of Troy? You are claiming two different markets for Troy, and neither are Troy's market. If you have to drive an hour or more to get there then it's not your metro. But to further complicate it, by claiming both markets it would mean that Dothan and Montgomery are in the same market. That isn't the case. If you are counting population for cities within a 60 mile radius of Troy then do it for each school. For South you'd need to include Biloxi, Gulfport, Ocean Springs, Pascagoula, and Gautier in Mississippi and Pensacola in Florida.

(05-17-2012 01:08 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 12:54 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Lets see what the market sizes for the NEW SBC stack up....

1. Georgia State, (Atlanta metro) population...5,831,778

2. FAU, Boca Raton (Miami metro)... 5,547,051

3. Texas State, (Austin–Round Rock–San Marcos Metro)...1,705,075

4. MTSU, (Nashville metro)...1,589,934

5. USA, (Mobile Metro)...602,877

6. Troy, (Montgomery/Dothan Metro)...546,929

7. ULL,(Lafayette Metro)... 546,834

8. ULM ,(Monroe metro)...170,053

9.WKU, (Bowling Green Metro)...120,595

10. ASU, (Jonesboro metro)...118,830

So tell me again how Troy is in the Dothan market, located 57 miles southeast of Troy? And how is Troy in the Montgomery Market located 48 miles to the northwest of Troy? You are claiming two different markets for Troy, and neither are Troy's market. If you have to drive an hour or more to get there then it's not your metro. But to further complicate it, by claiming both markets it would mean that Dothan and Montgomery are in the same market. That isn't the case. If you are counting population for cities within a 60 mile radius of Troy then do it for each school. For South you'd need to include Biloxi, Gulfport, Ocean Springs, Pascagoula, and Gautier in Mississippi and Pensacola in Florida.

When you look up Market for schools Troy is included in those markets....and Troy is less than an hours drive to either city. As far as USA is concerned I dont know if they include those Citys are in your market...If so please correct me.

(05-17-2012 01:08 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 12:54 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Lets see what the market sizes for the NEW SBC stack up....

1. Georgia State, (Atlanta metro) population...5,831,778

2. FAU, Boca Raton (Miami metro)... 5,547,051

3. Texas State, (Austin–Round Rock–San Marcos Metro)...1,705,075

4. MTSU, (Nashville metro)...1,589,934

5. USA, (Mobile Metro)...602,877

6. Troy, (Montgomery/Dothan Metro)...546,929

7. ULL,(Lafayette Metro)... 546,834

8. ULM ,(Monroe metro)...170,053

9.WKU, (Bowling Green Metro)...120,595

10. ASU, (Jonesboro metro)...118,830

So tell me again how Troy is in the Dothan market, located 57 miles southeast of Troy? And how is Troy in the Montgomery Market located 48 miles to the northwest of Troy? You are claiming two different markets for Troy, and neither are Troy's market. If you have to drive an hour or more to get there then it's not your metro. But to further complicate it, by claiming both markets it would mean that Dothan and Montgomery are in the same market. That isn't the case. If you are counting population for cities within a 60 mile radius of Troy then do it for each school. For South you'd need to include Biloxi, Gulfport, Ocean Springs, Pascagoula, and Gautier in Mississippi and Pensacola in Florida.

FAU is not in the "Miami" market. You are doing a really poor job at padding DMAs.

Interesting, how does the play into conferences selecting teams?

(05-17-2012 01:08 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 01:05 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 12:54 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Lets see what the market sizes for the NEW SBC stack up....

1. Georgia State, (Atlanta metro) population...5,831,778

2. FAU, Boca Raton (Miami metro)... 5,547,051

3. Texas State, (Austin–Round Rock–San Marcos Metro)...1,705,075

4. MTSU, (Nashville metro)...1,589,934

5. USA, (Mobile Metro)...602,877

6. Troy, (Montgomery/Dothan Metro)...546,929

7. ULL,(Lafayette Metro)... 546,834

8. ULM ,(Monroe metro)...170,053

9.WKU, (Bowling Green Metro)...120,595

10. ASU, (Jonesboro metro)...118,830

...but losing GSU and FAU wouldn't hurt the SBC.

In terms of quality of programs...No....TROY, ASU, ULL, MTSU are traditional SBC powers....Sorry

So why does what you started the thread with matter?

Also Boca Raton is included in the Miami Market and miami is 46 Miles from Miami..

MTSU is 35miles from Nashville

and Texas State is 33miles from Austin...

(05-17-2012 01:20 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 01:08 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 01:05 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 12:54 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Lets see what the market sizes for the NEW SBC stack up....

1. Georgia State, (Atlanta metro) population...5,831,778

2. FAU, Boca Raton (Miami metro)... 5,547,051

3. Texas State, (Austin–Round Rock–San Marcos Metro)...1,705,075

4. MTSU, (Nashville metro)...1,589,934

5. USA, (Mobile Metro)...602,877

6. Troy, (Montgomery/Dothan Metro)...546,929

7. ULL,(Lafayette Metro)... 546,834

8. ULM ,(Monroe metro)...170,053

9.WKU, (Bowling Green Metro)...120,595

10. ASU, (Jonesboro metro)...118,830

...but losing GSU and FAU wouldn't hurt the SBC.

In terms of quality of programs...No....TROY, ASU, ULL, MTSU are traditional SBC powers....Sorry

So why does what you started the thread with matter?

It matters because unfortunately quality of programs dont really matter anymore and its about market sizes in regards to moving up.

(05-17-2012 01:20 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Also Boca Raton is included in the Miami Market and miami is 46 Miles from Miami..

MTSU is 35miles from Nashville

and Texas State is 33miles from Austin...

FAU is actually in the WPB media market

Please feel free in correcting me... im not 100% sure of everyones market and what not

(05-17-2012 01:21 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 01:20 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 01:08 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 01:05 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 12:54 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Lets see what the market sizes for the NEW SBC stack up....

1. Georgia State, (Atlanta metro) population...5,831,778

2. FAU, Boca Raton (Miami metro)... 5,547,051

3. Texas State, (Austin–Round Rock–San Marcos Metro)...1,705,075

4. MTSU, (Nashville metro)...1,589,934

5. USA, (Mobile Metro)...602,877

6. Troy, (Montgomery/Dothan Metro)...546,929

7. ULL,(Lafayette Metro)... 546,834

8. ULM ,(Monroe metro)...170,053

9.WKU, (Bowling Green Metro)...120,595

10. ASU, (Jonesboro metro)...118,830

...but losing GSU and FAU wouldn't hurt the SBC.

In terms of quality of programs...No....TROY, ASU, ULL, MTSU are traditional SBC powers....Sorry

So why does what you started the thread with matter?

It matters because unfortunately quality of programs dont really matter anymore and its about market sizes in regards to moving up.

You mean in morning up in terms of winning, prestige, conferences? I see non AQ teams in very top media markets that aren't doing much and I see very successful programs in the very lowest markets that are hugely successful - maybe I just don't understand the OP

Also Texas State is only 45 to 50 miles from downtown San Antonio.

Here is what I don't get about this media market stuff. WKU shows only a 100k. However, they are only 60 miles or so away from Nashville. I see all kinds of WKU stuff around here. To me, the focus should be more on alumni and where they live. After all, they will be the people watching the game more than likely.

(05-17-2012 01:39 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  Here is what I don't get about this media market stuff. WKU shows only a 100k. However, they are only 60 miles or so away from Nashville. I see all kinds of WKU stuff around here. To me, the focus should be more on alumni and where they live. After all, they will be the people watching the game more than likely.

It is inefficient for networks to do that much research. Advertisers pay based on market size and ratings.

(05-17-2012 01:21 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 01:20 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 01:08 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 01:05 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 12:54 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Lets see what the market sizes for the NEW SBC stack up....

1. Georgia State, (Atlanta metro) population...5,831,778

2. FAU, Boca Raton (Miami metro)... 5,547,051

3. Texas State, (Austin–Round Rock–San Marcos Metro)...1,705,075

4. MTSU, (Nashville metro)...1,589,934

5. USA, (Mobile Metro)...602,877

6. Troy, (Montgomery/Dothan Metro)...546,929

7. ULL,(Lafayette Metro)... 546,834

8. ULM ,(Monroe metro)...170,053

9.WKU, (Bowling Green Metro)...120,595

10. ASU, (Jonesboro metro)...118,830

...but losing GSU and FAU wouldn't hurt the SBC.

In terms of quality of programs...No....TROY, ASU, ULL, MTSU are traditional SBC powers....Sorry

So why does what you started the thread with matter?

It matters because unfortunately quality of programs dont really matter anymore and its about market sizes in regards to moving up.

You completely ignore the potential for the growth of a program - which is what commissioners and networks focus on. Just because a program doesn't have much history, doesn't mean that with proper support, exposure and income, it can't become much better. This is why large-market teams are being looked at - not because they will immediately produce big ratings, but because they have a better overall chance of producing ratings than an established team that has already maxed-out its market.

Would you rather have 1% of 5,000,000 or 10% of 100,000?

(05-17-2012 01:50 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 01:21 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 01:20 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 01:08 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 01:05 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  ...but losing GSU and FAU wouldn't hurt the SBC.

In terms of quality of programs...No....TROY, ASU, ULL, MTSU are traditional SBC powers....Sorry

So why does what you started the thread with matter?

It matters because unfortunately quality of programs dont really matter anymore and its about market sizes in regards to moving up.

You completely ignore the potential for the growth of a program - which is what commissioners and networks focus on. Just because a program doesn't have much history, doesn't mean that with proper support, exposure and income, it can't become much better. This is why large-market teams are being looked at - not because they will immediately produce big ratings, but because they have a better overall chance of producing ratings than an established team that has already maxed-out its market.

Would you rather have 1% of 5,000,000 or 10% of 100,000?

Another way to look at it is saying that it's easier to increase one's market share than to increase one's market size. That's where "potential" comes into play.

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You completely ignore the potential for the growth of a program - which is what commissioners and networks focus on. Just because a program doesn't have much history, doesn't mean that with proper support, exposure and income, it can't become much better. This is why large-market teams are being looked at - not because they will immediately produce big ratings, but because they have a better overall chance of producing ratings than an established team that has already maxed-out its market.

Would you rather have 1% of 5,000,000 or 10% of 100,000?

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I understand your point and this is not meant to be negative in any way. But what if Ga State never wins more than a few games a year. Yet you have a Troy or WKU that either wins or is in the running for the SBC championship. What games are getting watched the most? Isn't that ultimately what matters?

Again, not to make this a pissing match but most of Georgia Southern's alumni are in Atlanta. Lets say we do move up and have some success. Wouldn't our alumni in ATL watching the game be just as important if not more than Ga State (again assuming the wins aren't there)?

Arkansas State is 45 minutes from Memphis and gets considerable coverage in LR.