(05-16-2012 09:36 AM)Ragu Wrote:  You guys are right. Everyone has pulled their weight. That is why the ACC deal is not grouped with the SEC and Big 12 deals. Makes perfect sense...

As for the divisions, Va Tech is actually a main opponent of them being primarily North/South. Miami with their other former BE teams in the North makes the most sense.

North: Miami, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Boston College, Pitt, Syracuse, Maryland

South: Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, NC, Duke, NC St, Wake

Those are the divisions that actually make sense. Crossovers can include UNC/UVA, FSU/Miami etc.

It is ridiculous that FSU and G Tech aren't in the same division. They actually had a good rivalry brewing and G Tech is the closest school to FSU. But the idiots in leadership positions in this conference found a way to screw it up as usual.

This is exactly what I've been saying for months now... and I recognize that in the short term it's not in the best interest of my school! But in the long term, those divisions could help turn the whole conference around, IMO.

(05-16-2012 09:59 AM)Ragu Wrote:  WVU wasn't an option because of all the snob schools in this conference putting academics before athletics when dealing with a fricken athletic conference.

Also did you just post UNC's track record and act like Peach Bowl victories are a highlight? That is a mediocre bowl game for a good football school.

Then again that is now this conference's 2nd biggest bowl game. Yep a non New Years Day bowl is the 2nd best bowl game for this conference to receive. Swofford is just awesome...

I agree that losing the Gator Bowl falls at the feet of the ACC - not the football teams.

As for WVU, I have mixed feelings about them. They do indeed play good football and basketball, but... it goes beyond just academics, that fanbase has some real issues.

Keep in mind also that FSU's budget shortfall this year is in part because WVU cancelled out on you. And the real reason they want FSU to join the Big 12 so bad is not because they are doing you any favors - they think they can keep stealing Florida recruits if they play you every year.

They want us because they want an Eastern division in the Big 12. Again the only way FSU/Clemson leave imo is if the Big 12 goes to 14 or 16. I don't think they go without 2 more travel partners on the East Coast.

But I also don't think that if it did stay at 12 for awhile that FSU/Clemson would be stuck with Kansas State/Kansas/Iowa St. I think they would seriously think about putting a Texas school or 2 in the division with the new members.

The New Atlantic Division

Clemson (L'Ville) If Clemson Bolts for the Big 12
Georgia Tech
Florida State (USF) If FSU Bolts for the Big 12
Miami
Pittsburgh
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest

The New Coastal Division

Boston College
Duke
Maryland
North Carolina
NC State
Syracuse
Virginia

You can't have the 5 football schools in all in one division. Makes more sense to have Miami and Va Tech in the other division.

(05-16-2012 09:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:02 PM)JustAnotherName Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 10:48 PM)esayem Wrote:  Sure it was a while ago but to say nobody has done anything in the ACC is BS.

Pretty much nobody aside from us and VT has done anything in the ACC in the last 20 years. That's hard to argue.

Not hard at all. I'll just show you UNC the last 20 years:

1992- 9-3, beat Mississippi St. (SEC) in the Peach Bowl, #19
1993- 10-3, lost to Alabama (SEC) in the Peach Bowl, #19
1994- 8-4, lost to Texas (SWC) in the Sun Bowl
1995- 7-5, beat Arkansas (SEC) in the Carquest Bowl
1996- 10-2, beat West Virginia (Big East) in the Gator Bowl #10
1997- 11-2, beat VaTech (Big East) in the Gator Bowl #6
1998- 7-5, beat San Diego St. (WAC) in the Las Vegas Bowl
2000- 6-5, no bowl
2001- 8-5, beat Auburn (SEC) in the Peach Bowl
2008- eight victories vacated
2009- eight victories vacated
2010- 8-5, beat Tennessee (SEC) in the Music City Bowl
2011- 7-6, lost to Missouri (Big XII) in the Independence Bowl

...and we can't count the vacated games under Butch. That aside, eleven (13) winning seasons, four top 25's, and seven bowl victories. Not bad for a "basketball school".

You forgot a few things:

Losing to Furman by 25 points at home in 1999.
Losing to a 7 win Miami-OH team at home in 2002.
Posting back to back 1 win ACC records in 2002 and 2003.
And even counting the wins vacated under Butch Davis because y'all were cheating you still have the 4th best winning percentage out of the 5 NC FBS schools.

(05-16-2012 09:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:02 PM)JustAnotherName Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 10:48 PM)esayem Wrote:  Sure it was a while ago but to say nobody has done anything in the ACC is BS.

Pretty much nobody aside from us and VT has done anything in the ACC in the last 20 years. That's hard to argue.

Not hard at all. I'll just show you UNC the last 20 years:

1992- 9-3, beat Mississippi St. (SEC) in the Peach Bowl, #19
1993- 10-3, lost to Alabama (SEC) in the Peach Bowl, #19
1994- 8-4, lost to Texas (SWC) in the Sun Bowl
1995- 7-5, beat Arkansas (SEC) in the Carquest Bowl
1996- 10-2, beat West Virginia (Big East) in the Gator Bowl #10
1997- 11-2, beat VaTech (Big East) in the Gator Bowl #6
1998- 7-5, beat San Diego St. (WAC) in the Las Vegas Bowl
2000- 6-5, no bowl
2001- 8-5, beat Auburn (SEC) in the Peach Bowl
2008- eight victories vacated
2009- eight victories vacated
2010- 8-5, beat Tennessee (SEC) in the Music City Bowl
2011- 7-6, lost to Missouri (Big XII) in the Independence Bowl

...and we can't count the vacated games under Butch. That aside, eleven (13) winning seasons, four top 25's, and seven bowl victories. Not bad for a "basketball school".

Come on. You didn't win any ACC titles or play in any BCS games.

You guys know a lot about UNC. Obsessed much?

For the divisions, it makes the most sense to swap Maryland and Georgia Tech. Maryland could then be with the other so called "pillars" of the ACC in UNC, Duke and UVA. And it was another completely dumb move by Swofford (what a shock) to separate Pitt and Maryland in the new divisions.

Equally as dumb as separating GT and FSU and making the burden of travel even harder on FSU to not be with the school closest to them.

(05-17-2012 07:35 AM)Ragu Wrote:  For the divisions, it makes the most sense to swap Maryland and Georgia Tech. Maryland could then be with the other so called "pillars" of the ACC in UNC, Duke and UVA. And it was another completely dumb move by Swofford (what a shock) to separate Pitt and Maryland in the new divisions.

Equally as dumb as separating GT and FSU and making the burden of travel even harder on FSU to not be with the school closest to them.

I wouldn't have a problem with that, but if they did they would have to change the scheduling model because GT needs the 5th home game in EVEN years rather than ODD years. That should be a small thing.

swapping Maryland & GT would also change a bunch of cross-overs: Clemson, GT, Maryland and Virginia.

They can figure the crossovers out. GT/FSU and Maryland/Pitt make too much sense. So the leadership of course screwed it up as usual. Heck they gave the Atlantic Syracuse when Pitt could have at least made Maryland happy. They do everything backwards in this conference.

(05-17-2012 09:19 AM)Ragu Wrote:  They can figure the crossovers out. GT/FSU and Maryland/Pitt make too much sense. So the leadership of course screwed it up as usual. Heck they gave the Atlantic Syracuse when Pitt could have at least made Maryland happy. They do everything backwards in this conference.

Not trying to flame anyone, this is an honest inquiry.

Please clarify. Not sure why Maryland and Pitt are "must be rivals" when they played 5 times in the past. Have they suddenly moved closer to each other? Syracuse and Maryland have a more storied past with 34 games. Yet, Maryland hasn't played either school in nearly 20 years. I don't understand everyone's insistance that Pitt is a natural rival for Maryland. Any Maryland fans want to comment on this?

It's one of those nuevo forced rivalaries.

(05-17-2012 09:39 AM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 09:19 AM)Ragu Wrote:  They can figure the crossovers out. GT/FSU and Maryland/Pitt make too much sense. So the leadership of course screwed it up as usual. Heck they gave the Atlantic Syracuse when Pitt could have at least made Maryland happy. They do everything backwards in this conference.

Not trying to flame anyone, this is an honest inquiry.

Please clarify. Not sure why Maryland and Pitt are "must be rivals" when they played 5 times in the past. Have they suddenly moved closer to each other? Syracuse and Maryland have a more storied past with 34 games. Yet, Maryland hasn't played either school in nearly 20 years. I don't understand everyone's insistance that Pitt is a natural rival for Maryland. Any Maryland fans want to comment on this?

It makes sense geographically but since when did this conference care about frequency of past matchups? They split up the brewing rivalry between FSU and GT and GT is the closest school to FSU.

The divisions from my OP would work (mainly because you get FSU, GT and Clemson in the same division) and would enhance the TV inventory for both ESPN and Raycom.

I think a UMD/Pitt rivalry is going to happen whether it's forced or not. Personally, I'm looking forward to having a primary rival as opposed to being a second tier rival to UVA and Duke.

(05-17-2012 11:40 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  I think a UMD/Pitt rivalry is going to happen whether it's forced or not. Personally, I'm looking forward to having a primary rival as opposed to being a second tier rival to UVA and Duke.

How will it be a rivalry though? You won't be in their division and your protected crossover is still UVA right? That means you can get 4 years without even playing them. It will ruin a chance at a rivalry just as the ACC did to FSU/GT

Why does everyone act as though Swofford came up with these divisions himself? There are 12, soon to be 14, schools making these decisions. Yet everyone points the blame at Swofford. These are decisions the whole league considered and voted in the way they are. This wasn't one man or one school doing this. If there was such a groundswell of support for Pitt in the Atlantic I think it would have happened. I doubt anyone cared a lot. The things I've heard were they wanted to keep Pitt and Cuse playing each other (crossover rivals). They wanted Cuse and BC to renew their rivalry (in the same division). They wanted Pitt and VT to renew their rivalry (same division). Some of these could have been accomplished by swapping BC for Pitt as primary rivals of VT but for some reason they think that 'rivalry' is important to maintain. Or it could be that if one school was being switched it would have opened up a situation where more wanted switched so they didn't even want to open that can of worms.

The only problem with the current divisions is that GT doesn't play FSU yearly (I don't think Pitt and UMD not playing is a problem). Every 'fix' to this problem creates more problems. So I think it is best just to leave well enough alone and acknowledge that not every situation is going to be perfect.

Pitt-Maryland is a very natural geographical game, and should happen sooner rather than later. It doesn't have to be a forced trophy game either(See Pitt/Cincy, and PSU/MSU).

Problems with current divisions - teams which don't play annually (but should):
FSU & GT, Wake & UNC, Duke & NC St, VT & Maryland, Pitt & Maryland

I think you could also make an argument that Miami should play Syracuse & BC annually (old rivals).

From a TV perspective it would also make sense for VT & Clemson to play every year as well.