(05-14-2012 11:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 11:30 PM)TXSTCAT Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 11:22 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 11:09 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  UNT won 5 games, best season in years. Troy won 3 games, worst season EVER. I suspect you will see a much different Troy squad take the field this season, I also expect to destroy the Mean Green as usual.

If Troy continues to spiral out of control like UNT did then I'll humble myself and accept our new place, but one bad season due to massive losses on the offense side of the ball (our bread and butter) does not mean we are through. I expect Troy to recover and assume our usual place as head of the Sun Belt Conference in football. We don't know how to do anything else.

I agree. I believe Troy will be better next season, but there is no way you will role into Apogee and get an easy win. Troy will have a fight on their hands, and they probably won't win it.

Has UNT ever finished better than .500 as an FBS program?

Since our return to what is now the FBS level- 2002, 2003, and 2004.

Let him rant Joe, he's just jumping up and down in his high chair wanting a little attention.

Blakeney is not going to be down two in a row. He ate the seed corn and brought in enough JC's to have an impact.

UNT is back on the rise under McCarney. It's a big mistake to judge them on the last few years.

Despite the hot new hires at stAte and UL, Larry is the top dawg in the league. You can't argue that fact based on records and experience. I'm not knocking Malzahn or Hudspeth because both are outstanding coaches who will lead their programs in to the future, but based on past success and history, Blakeney is the best right now.

Plus, I know Coach Blakeney. I used to interview him every Monday for the newspaper, the man is a great guy.

(05-14-2012 10:33 PM)CrushMI Wrote:  would be interesting to compare CUSA-Lite vs SBC.....

(05-14-2012 09:48 PM)RaiderDoug Wrote:  Revenues:

ASU: $13,374,507
FAU: $19,438,422
FIU: $23,849,954
ULL: $13,556,901
ULM: $11,661,727
MT: $27,125,185
NT: $11,259,222
USA: $17,432,045
Troy: $15,246,720
WKU: $22,269,484

New guys:

GSU: $22,895,575
TxSt: $21,741,489

Maybe new guys:

App: $17,748,605
GaSouthern: $11,245,505


http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/s...54955804/1

UAB- $25,690,048
ECU- $34,048,869
Marshall- $27,444,906
USM- $20,673,597
UTEP- $27,694,358
Rice- private
Tulane- private
Tulsa- private
UNCC- $18,624,105
LT- $17,146,559
UNT- $11,259,222
FIU- $23,849,954
UTSA- $16,675,632
*ODU- $32,893,744


I'd expect fairly large increases with UTSA & Charlotte when they get their football programs going. ODU's could rise as well with stadium expansion. UNT's seem kind of... off.

you know, after delving in a bit more, some of the data from the MAC is a bit striking

EMU- $27,717,621
Buffalo- $26,228,030
Ohio- $25,470,296
Toledo- $19,485,449

(05-14-2012 11:30 PM)TXSTCAT Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 11:22 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 11:09 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  UNT won 5 games, best season in years. Troy won 3 games, worst season EVER. I suspect you will see a much different Troy squad take the field this season, I also expect to destroy the Mean Green as usual.

If Troy continues to spiral out of control like UNT did then I'll humble myself and accept our new place, but one bad season due to massive losses on the offense side of the ball (our bread and butter) does not mean we are through. I expect Troy to recover and assume our usual place as head of the Sun Belt Conference in football. We don't know how to do anything else.

I agree. I believe Troy will be better next season, but there is no way you will role into Apogee and get an easy win. Troy will have a fight on their hands, and they probably won't win it.

Has UNT ever finished better than .500 as an FBS program?

Yeah we went to 4 straight bowl games.

You sound like a bitter ignorant child. If North Texas is as lowly as you say then I don't know what to say about TSU because you're sure as hell lower on the totem pole than we are. I don't understand where all of this hate is coming from. We made a mistake with Dodge and our program suffered, somehow without winning more than 3 games a year we still had solid attendance(for the belt) and in all sports we're a top 3 sun belt team with WKU and MT. We're in a great position to be a solid football and basketball team in 2012 and 2013 with the strength of both squads in the junior and sophomore classes and have the one of the nicest football facilities of the non bcs teams combined with solid coaching staffs in place in the main sports. We're in a great position to strengthen our athletics program further and will take advantage of that opportunity. The posts saying good riddance to North Texas seem childish IMO.

(05-15-2012 01:43 AM)ntmeangreen11 Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 11:30 PM)TXSTCAT Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 11:22 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 11:09 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  UNT won 5 games, best season in years. Troy won 3 games, worst season EVER. I suspect you will see a much different Troy squad take the field this season, I also expect to destroy the Mean Green as usual.

If Troy continues to spiral out of control like UNT did then I'll humble myself and accept our new place, but one bad season due to massive losses on the offense side of the ball (our bread and butter) does not mean we are through. I expect Troy to recover and assume our usual place as head of the Sun Belt Conference in football. We don't know how to do anything else.

I agree. I believe Troy will be better next season, but there is no way you will role into Apogee and get an easy win. Troy will have a fight on their hands, and they probably won't win it.

Has UNT ever finished better than .500 as an FBS program?

Yeah we went to 4 straight bowl games.

You sound like a bitter ignorant child. If North Texas is as lowly as you say then I don't know what to say about TSU because you're sure as hell lower on the totem pole than we are. I don't understand where all of this hate is coming from. We made a mistake with Dodge and our program suffered, somehow without winning more than 3 games a year we still had solid attendance(for the belt) and in all sports we're a top 3 sun belt team with WKU and MT. We're in a great position to be a solid football and basketball team in 2012 and 2013 with the strength of both squads in the junior and sophomore classes and have the one of the nicest football facilities of the non bcs teams combined with solid coaching staffs in place in the main sports. We're in a great position to strengthen our athletics program further and will take advantage of that opportunity. The posts saying good riddance to North Texas seem childish IMO.

TSU is TX SOUTHERN . .. if you meant TEXAS STATE, that would be TX ST . .. . just saying . . . .

(05-14-2012 09:48 PM)RaiderDoug Wrote:  USA today came out with another one of their charts showing the total revenue and expenditures for each program in college football in 2011.

Revenues:

ASU: $13,374,507
FAU: $19,438,422
FIU: $23,849,954
ULL: $13,556,901
ULM: $11,661,727
MT: $27,125,185
NT: $11,259,222
USA: $17,432,045
Troy: $15,246,720
WKU: $22,269,484

New guys:

GSU: $22,895,575
TxSt: $21,741,489

Maybe new guys:

App: $17,748,605
GaSouthern: $11,245,505


There's also some interesting data on where that cash comes from. I don't know how accurate they are - they mostly look good but that NT figure looks crazy low to me.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/s...54955804/1

Wow! I had no idea MT's budget was so much larger than everyone elses in the conference.

I wonder were in the world those numbers came from. Do any of you actually critically look at data or do you believe anything that is reported? Do you really think NT has less than half the revenue of MTSU, less than ULM and smallest in the conference. How do you account for that difference. Not to mention how could NT operate with an average $7m deficit for 5 years.

Reported NCAA numbers are very suspect at best, but this is an obvious error.

Subsidy percentages by school....

Arkansas State Total Revenues $13,374,507 Total Subsidy $7,770,368 58.1%
Arkansas Little Rock Total Revenues $9,304,137 Total Subsidy $5,986,939 64.3 %
Florida Atlantic Total Revenues $19,438,422 Total Subsidy $13,001,125 66.9%
Florida International Total Revenues $23,849,954 Total Subsidy $19,156,076 80.3%
Louisiana Total Revenues $13,556,901 Total Subsidy $5,827,446 43%
Louisiana Monroe Total Revenues $11,661,727 Total Subsidy 5,744,780 49.3%
MTSU Total Revenues $27,125,185 Total Subsidy $18,349,289 67.6%
North Texas Total Revenues $11,259,222 Total Subsidy $5,051,120 44.9%
South Alabama Total Revenues $17,432,045 Total Subsidy $13,988,350 80.2%
Troy Total Revenues $15,246,720 Total Subsidy $8,077,632 53%
Western Kentucky Total Revenues $22,269,484 Total Subsidy $14,096,615 63.3%

Louisiana...doing more with less...

(05-15-2012 08:32 AM)Grandgreen Wrote:  I wonder were in the world those numbers came from. Do any of you actually critically look at data or do you believe anything that is reported? Do you really think NT has less than half the revenue of MTSU, less than ULM and smallest in the conference. How do you account for that difference. Not to mention how could NT operate with an average $7m deficit for 5 years.

Reported NCAA numbers are very suspect at best, but this is an obvious error.

I thought that NT figure looked low to me.

The rest of them look pretty much like what I would expect them to though.

(05-15-2012 08:49 AM)cajunhawk Wrote:  Subsidy percentages by school....
Louisiana...doing more with less...

Personally, I'd like to see us do even more WITH more. A student fee for athletics would definitely help our budget! As it would other schools in the UL System.

(05-15-2012 08:50 AM)RaiderDoug Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 08:32 AM)Grandgreen Wrote:  I wonder were in the world those numbers came from. Do any of you actually critically look at data or do you believe anything that is reported? Do you really think NT has less than half the revenue of MTSU, less than ULM and smallest in the conference. How do you account for that difference. Not to mention how could NT operate with an average $7m deficit for 5 years.

Reported NCAA numbers are very suspect at best, but this is an obvious error.

I thought that NT figure looked low to me.

The rest of them look pretty much like what I would expect them to though.

You guys crack me up. This isn't budget its REVENUE.
Revenue catgories:



Ticket sales: Sales of admissions to athletics events. Include ticket sales to the public,faculty and students, and money received for shipping and handling of tickets. Does not include amounts in excess of face value (such as preferential seating) or sales for conference and national tournaments that are pass-through transactions.

Student fees: Fees assessed to support athletics.

Schools funds: Includes both direct and indirect support from the university, including state funds, tuition, tuition waivers etc. as well as federal Work Study amounts for athletes. It also includes university-provided support such as administrative costs, facilities and grounds maintenance, security, risk management, utilities, depreciation and debt service.

Contributions: Includes amounts received directly from individuals, corporations, associations, foundations, clubs or other organizations by the donor for the operation of the athletics program. Report amounts paid in excess of a ticket's value. Contributions include cash, marketable securities and in-kind contributions such as dealer-provided cars, apparel and drink products for team and staff use. Also includes revenue from preferential seating.

Rights/Licensing: Includes revenue for athletics from radio and television broadcasts, Internet and ecommerce rights received from institution-negotiated contracts, the NCAA and conference revenue sharing arrangements; ; and revenue from corporate sponsorships, licensing, sales of advertisements, trademarks and royalties. Includes the value of in-kind products and services provided as part of the sponsorship (e.g., equipment, apparel, soft drinks, water and isotonic products).

Other revenue: All other sources of revenue including game guarantees, support from third-parties guaranteed by the school such as TV income, housing allowances, camp income, etc.; tournament/bowl game revenues from conferences; endowments and investments; revenue from game programs, novelties, food or other concessions; and parking revenues and other sources.

Source: USA TODAY public-records requests to each university

You can ascertain the budget from the expenses column. It's not 100% accurate but it's close.

Ummm...guys...Look at Texas Arlington's breakdown...we can't be serious about adding them. Budget is alright, but 43,000$ in ticket sales last year? That is atrocious, and completely unacceptable for a team in our league. Hell, UALR had 500,000$ in ticket sales, and ULM had 430,000$ in ticket sales. By the looks of it, we'd be adding a team that litterally no one watches.

(05-15-2012 11:27 AM)Tuffguy21 Wrote:  Ummm...guys...Look at Texas Arlington's breakdown...we can't be serious about adding them. Budget is alright, but 43,000$ in ticket sales last year? That is atrocious, and completely unacceptable for a team in our league. Hell, UALR had 500,000$ in ticket sales, and ULM had 430,000$ in ticket sales. By the looks of it, we'd be adding a team that litterally no one watches.

What is FIU's ticket sales ?

(05-15-2012 11:29 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 11:27 AM)Tuffguy21 Wrote:  Ummm...guys...Look at Texas Arlington's breakdown...we can't be serious about adding them. Budget is alright, but 43,000$ in ticket sales last year? That is atrocious, and completely unacceptable for a team in our league. Hell, UALR had 500,000$ in ticket sales, and ULM had 430,000$ in ticket sales. By the looks of it, we'd be adding a team that litterally no one watches.

What is FIU's ticket sales ?

708k$ That puts UT-A into perspective. I'm sorry, I just cant find a reason to say yes to adding a team that has literally no fans.

I think there might be something wrong with those numbers. A lot of schools have odd numbers.

Isnt UT-Arlington only selling BB tickets? With no Football, their gate should be significantly lower.

(05-15-2012 11:36 AM)Glassonion Wrote:  Isnt UT-Arlington only selling BB tickets? With no Football, their gate should be significantly lower.

basketball and other olympic sports. I imagined that their ticket sales would be lower, but do a straight comparison between them and non-football UALR, and they aren't even on the same planet. UALR has 500k in sales, they have 43k.