(05-14-2012 10:30 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 10:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 09:56 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 03:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  MAC - UMass, Buffalo, Akron, Kent State, Ball State, Miami (OH), Ohio U, Bowling Green, Toledo, Eastern Mich, Central Mich, Western Mich, Northern Ill. JMU is on deck.

WAC - NM State and Idaho. No one on deck.

As far as who is better, I think its pretty much a wash. The MAC has had more success at the top end, but their bottom is awful, even compared to the Sun Belt.

Toledo, BGSU, Central Mich, NIU, and Miami (OH) and Ohio have had recent success. UMass is a moveup. Eastern Mich and Ball State are awful and might be considered terminally bad programs. Several of these teams buy their minimum home attendence requirement.

In the SBC, Troy, MTSU, stAte, ULL, and WKU have had recent success. ULM is the only terminally bad program in the Belt. FAU needs to up its game.

I think in all honesty, we don't know how Texas State, South Alabama, and Georgia State are going to perform, so we really can't say.

Please explain your VERY biased statement above. In 2011-2012, ULM only finished last in the SBC in 1 sport and that was men's basketball and that was due to APR sanctions. So, while you are busy spewing your ignorance with respect to ULM sports, please explain your very ignorant statement. A terminally bad program will finish last in the SBC in all sports...it seems that ULM was one of very few schools to beat ULL in softball, has not finished last in the SBC in football or second to last in years and is poised to make a run in the baseball tourney. So, again. Please explain your very poor statement.

I will. You don't fund your athletic programs properly. Your OOC scheduling blows (although congratulations - you've get a FBS (and AQ) home game for the first time in a while). You are the only program in the Sun Belt other than the move ups that has never had a winning record (part of that has to do with your practice of scheduling 3 bodybag games and 1 FCS home game for your OOC).

I am only talking about football. Do you guys have any OOC home games other than Baylor this year (good get btw) and Tulane inked for the next couple of years.

You'll probably beat South this year. But South is applying more resources and is scheduling OOC games against FBS teams that are winnable and getting home games too.

Perhaps I was a bit harsh to call ULM terminally bad, but I'm tired of seeing you guys scheduling losing seasons because you need the money from 3 body bag away games. Between 2008 and 2015, I only see THREE FBS home games either played or scheduled. Two against Tulane and 1 against Baylor.

Beating Alabama was great, but having a winning season would be better.

First of all, spending does not equate to success. If so, we shouldn't finish better than last in any sport.

As for our football schedule, we are done in by our OOc schedule. With that though, I guarantee that no other team in the SBC would do any better with our OOC schedule. We have worked to lessen the severity of our schedule, and that will show in 2013 forward. The 2012 OOc schedule will be brutal, as we will conclude our contract with Arkansas. However, please do not allow our performance in our OOC games fool you. We WILL be one of the toughest programs in the SBC.

Second, as shown in a separate thread, with our current shortfalls we still turned a $1.4M profit in 2011/2012. Not bad, considering programs that finished lower than us suffered losses. So again, money spent means nothing but someone had more money to spend to finish behind ULM.

Again, except for men's basketball's APR issues, ULM has NOT been terminally bad. In football, we had a Top 25 overall defense in 2011, and that defense has gotten bigger, stronger and faster. 2012 shall be interesting...

Yall say that every year, that yall will have a GREAT year. But havnt seen it yet....Maybe this year will be yalls year....IM just glad that if it is TROY doesnt play ya!

BTW I have to Say TROY has a DREAM schedule this year!! WE get 6 REAL home games, 2 of which are Mississippi State and Navy...PLUS 2 away games INSIDE the state of Alabama at UAB and USA....Its almost like we have 8 home games!!!

(05-14-2012 10:30 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 10:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 09:56 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 03:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  MAC - UMass, Buffalo, Akron, Kent State, Ball State, Miami (OH), Ohio U, Bowling Green, Toledo, Eastern Mich, Central Mich, Western Mich, Northern Ill. JMU is on deck.

WAC - NM State and Idaho. No one on deck.

As far as who is better, I think its pretty much a wash. The MAC has had more success at the top end, but their bottom is awful, even compared to the Sun Belt.

Toledo, BGSU, Central Mich, NIU, and Miami (OH) and Ohio have had recent success. UMass is a moveup. Eastern Mich and Ball State are awful and might be considered terminally bad programs. Several of these teams buy their minimum home attendence requirement.

In the SBC, Troy, MTSU, stAte, ULL, and WKU have had recent success. ULM is the only terminally bad program in the Belt. FAU needs to up its game.

I think in all honesty, we don't know how Texas State, South Alabama, and Georgia State are going to perform, so we really can't say.

Please explain your VERY biased statement above. In 2011-2012, ULM only finished last in the SBC in 1 sport and that was men's basketball and that was due to APR sanctions. So, while you are busy spewing your ignorance with respect to ULM sports, please explain your very ignorant statement. A terminally bad program will finish last in the SBC in all sports...it seems that ULM was one of very few schools to beat ULL in softball, has not finished last in the SBC in football or second to last in years and is poised to make a run in the baseball tourney. So, again. Please explain your very poor statement.

I will. You don't fund your athletic programs properly. Your OOC scheduling blows (although congratulations - you've get a FBS (and AQ) home game for the first time in a while). You are the only program in the Sun Belt other than the move ups that has never had a winning record (part of that has to do with your practice of scheduling 3 bodybag games and 1 FCS home game for your OOC).

I am only talking about football. Do you guys have any OOC home games other than Baylor this year (good get btw) and Tulane inked for the next couple of years.

You'll probably beat South this year. But South is applying more resources and is scheduling OOC games against FBS teams that are winnable and getting home games too.

Perhaps I was a bit harsh to call ULM terminally bad, but I'm tired of seeing you guys scheduling losing seasons because you need the money from 3 body bag away games. Between 2008 and 2015, I only see THREE FBS home games either played or scheduled. Two against Tulane and 1 against Baylor.

Beating Alabama was great, but having a winning season would be better.

First of all, spending does not equate to success. If so, we shouldn't finish better than last in any sport.

As for our football schedule, we are done in by our OOc schedule. With that though, I guarantee that no other team in the SBC would do any better with our OOC schedule. We have worked to lessen the severity of our schedule, and that will show in 2013 forward. The 2012 OOc schedule will be brutal, as we will conclude our contract with Arkansas. However, please do not allow our performance in our OOC games fool you. We WILL be one of the toughest programs in the SBC.

Second, as shown in a separate thread, with our current shortfalls we still turned a $1.4M profit in 2011/2012. Not bad, considering programs that finished lower than us suffered losses. So again, money spent means nothing but someone had more money to spend to finish behind ULM.

Again, except for men's basketball's APR issues, ULM has NOT been terminally bad. In football, we had a Top 25 overall defense in 2011, and that defense has gotten bigger, stronger and faster. 2012 shall be interesting...

I'm sorry, but getting blown out in 3 road games against FBS teams on the road and then beating a FCS team in OOC does no one in the Sun Belt any favors as far as reputation goes. Scheduling like you guys do make us a laughingstock. What you do OOC creates a reputation for the Belt.

I think the SBC should require at least ONE home OOC FBS game per year in your normal stadium.

(05-14-2012 10:36 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 10:30 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 10:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 09:56 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 03:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  MAC - UMass, Buffalo, Akron, Kent State, Ball State, Miami (OH), Ohio U, Bowling Green, Toledo, Eastern Mich, Central Mich, Western Mich, Northern Ill. JMU is on deck.

WAC - NM State and Idaho. No one on deck.

As far as who is better, I think its pretty much a wash. The MAC has had more success at the top end, but their bottom is awful, even compared to the Sun Belt.

Toledo, BGSU, Central Mich, NIU, and Miami (OH) and Ohio have had recent success. UMass is a moveup. Eastern Mich and Ball State are awful and might be considered terminally bad programs. Several of these teams buy their minimum home attendence requirement.

In the SBC, Troy, MTSU, stAte, ULL, and WKU have had recent success. ULM is the only terminally bad program in the Belt. FAU needs to up its game.

I think in all honesty, we don't know how Texas State, South Alabama, and Georgia State are going to perform, so we really can't say.

Please explain your VERY biased statement above. In 2011-2012, ULM only finished last in the SBC in 1 sport and that was men's basketball and that was due to APR sanctions. So, while you are busy spewing your ignorance with respect to ULM sports, please explain your very ignorant statement. A terminally bad program will finish last in the SBC in all sports...it seems that ULM was one of very few schools to beat ULL in softball, has not finished last in the SBC in football or second to last in years and is poised to make a run in the baseball tourney. So, again. Please explain your very poor statement.

I will. You don't fund your athletic programs properly. Your OOC scheduling blows (although congratulations - you've get a FBS (and AQ) home game for the first time in a while). You are the only program in the Sun Belt other than the move ups that has never had a winning record (part of that has to do with your practice of scheduling 3 bodybag games and 1 FCS home game for your OOC).

I am only talking about football. Do you guys have any OOC home games other than Baylor this year (good get btw) and Tulane inked for the next couple of years.

You'll probably beat South this year. But South is applying more resources and is scheduling OOC games against FBS teams that are winnable and getting home games too.

Perhaps I was a bit harsh to call ULM terminally bad, but I'm tired of seeing you guys scheduling losing seasons because you need the money from 3 body bag away games. Between 2008 and 2015, I only see THREE FBS home games either played or scheduled. Two against Tulane and 1 against Baylor.

Beating Alabama was great, but having a winning season would be better.

First of all, spending does not equate to success. If so, we shouldn't finish better than last in any sport.

As for our football schedule, we are done in by our OOc schedule. With that though, I guarantee that no other team in the SBC would do any better with our OOC schedule. We have worked to lessen the severity of our schedule, and that will show in 2013 forward. The 2012 OOc schedule will be brutal, as we will conclude our contract with Arkansas. However, please do not allow our performance in our OOC games fool you. We WILL be one of the toughest programs in the SBC.

Second, as shown in a separate thread, with our current shortfalls we still turned a $1.4M profit in 2011/2012. Not bad, considering programs that finished lower than us suffered losses. So again, money spent means nothing but someone had more money to spend to finish behind ULM.

Again, except for men's basketball's APR issues, ULM has NOT been terminally bad. In football, we had a Top 25 overall defense in 2011, and that defense has gotten bigger, stronger and faster. 2012 shall be interesting...

Yall say that every year, that yall will have a GREAT year. But havnt seen it yet....Maybe this year will be yalls year....IM just glad that if it is TROY doesnt play ya!

BTW I have to Say TROY has a DREAM schedule this year!! WE get 6 REAL home games, 2 of which are Mississippi State and Navy...PLUS 2 away games INSIDE the state of Alabama at UAB and USA....Its almost like we have 8 home games!!!

Uh. Make that 7 home games (you can include UAB). South will be filling up Ladd. That won't be a home game for you guys.

(05-14-2012 10:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 10:36 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 10:30 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 10:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 09:56 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  Please explain your VERY biased statement above. In 2011-2012, ULM only finished last in the SBC in 1 sport and that was men's basketball and that was due to APR sanctions. So, while you are busy spewing your ignorance with respect to ULM sports, please explain your very ignorant statement. A terminally bad program will finish last in the SBC in all sports...it seems that ULM was one of very few schools to beat ULL in softball, has not finished last in the SBC in football or second to last in years and is poised to make a run in the baseball tourney. So, again. Please explain your very poor statement.

I will. You don't fund your athletic programs properly. Your OOC scheduling blows (although congratulations - you've get a FBS (and AQ) home game for the first time in a while). You are the only program in the Sun Belt other than the move ups that has never had a winning record (part of that has to do with your practice of scheduling 3 bodybag games and 1 FCS home game for your OOC).

I am only talking about football. Do you guys have any OOC home games other than Baylor this year (good get btw) and Tulane inked for the next couple of years.

You'll probably beat South this year. But South is applying more resources and is scheduling OOC games against FBS teams that are winnable and getting home games too.

Perhaps I was a bit harsh to call ULM terminally bad, but I'm tired of seeing you guys scheduling losing seasons because you need the money from 3 body bag away games. Between 2008 and 2015, I only see THREE FBS home games either played or scheduled. Two against Tulane and 1 against Baylor.

Beating Alabama was great, but having a winning season would be better.

First of all, spending does not equate to success. If so, we shouldn't finish better than last in any sport.

As for our football schedule, we are done in by our OOc schedule. With that though, I guarantee that no other team in the SBC would do any better with our OOC schedule. We have worked to lessen the severity of our schedule, and that will show in 2013 forward. The 2012 OOc schedule will be brutal, as we will conclude our contract with Arkansas. However, please do not allow our performance in our OOC games fool you. We WILL be one of the toughest programs in the SBC.

Second, as shown in a separate thread, with our current shortfalls we still turned a $1.4M profit in 2011/2012. Not bad, considering programs that finished lower than us suffered losses. So again, money spent means nothing but someone had more money to spend to finish behind ULM.

Again, except for men's basketball's APR issues, ULM has NOT been terminally bad. In football, we had a Top 25 overall defense in 2011, and that defense has gotten bigger, stronger and faster. 2012 shall be interesting...

Yall say that every year, that yall will have a GREAT year. But havnt seen it yet....Maybe this year will be yalls year....IM just glad that if it is TROY doesnt play ya!

BTW I have to Say TROY has a DREAM schedule this year!! WE get 6 REAL home games, 2 of which are Mississippi State and Navy...PLUS 2 away games INSIDE the state of Alabama at UAB and USA....Its almost like we have 8 home games!!!

Uh. Make that 7 home games (you can include UAB). South will be filling up Ladd. That won't be a home game for you guys.

No im saying we really do have 6 home games...But if you include USA and UAB at their place its almost like we have 8 home games because its still in the State of Alabama. Troy will bring a large crowds to both USA and UAB. I wasnt making a Statement that there wont be many USA or UAB fans at the game I was just saying its CLOSE to home for us....(Although TROY will probably bring more to UAB than UAB will)

(05-14-2012 07:29 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  ...I would be pissed if Troy left the Sun Belt period.

Idealogically, you should already be pissed at Troy's leadership; they would accept a C-USA invite.

(05-14-2012 03:29 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  CUSA is slightly better than the Sun Belt on the field as long as they have ECU and USM.

What about Tulsa, Marshall and La Tech. I think, historically, those programs are stronger than the best Sun Belt programs as well. Only Troy could make a claim to crack that top 5 given performances over the past 5 years.

Seriously FIUfan? Tech? They are no traditional power.

(05-15-2012 07:56 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Seriously FIUfan? Tech? They are no traditional power.

I don't think I said 'power'. I said 'stronger'....can you prove otherwise?

(05-15-2012 08:03 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 07:56 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Seriously FIUfan? Tech? They are no traditional power.

I don't think I said 'power'. I said 'stronger'....can you prove otherwise?

I'd say they're "occasionally" stronger, and I'd put them squarely in the middle of the pack in the current SBC based on the last ten years of performance.

Tech vs ECU, USM, and Tulsa since 1965:

16-19-1

Total Score: 736-806

Avg Score: 20 - 22

To get an idea of recent history.....
Tech has dropped the last 4 games to ECU, is 1-7 in the past 8 games against USM, and is 3-2 in the past 5 against Tulsa.

(05-15-2012 08:45 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  To get an idea of recent history.....
Tech has dropped the last 4 games to ECU, is 1-7 in the past 8 games against USM, and is 3-2 in the past 5 against Tulsa.

To get an even better sense:

Last 4 vs ECU:
13-35 in 1978
29-29 in 1989
17-27 in 1990
28-31 in 1993

Score: 87-122

Last 4 vs USM:
30-14 in 1991
13-16 in 1992
12-13 in 2010
17-19 in 2011

Score: 72-62

Last 4 vs Tulsa:
19-7 in 2001
53-9 in 2002
18-48 in 2003
38-24 in 2004

Score: 128-88

(05-15-2012 08:39 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Tech vs ECU, USM, and Tulsa since 1965:

16-19-1

Total Score: 736-806

Avg Score: 20 - 22

One could only guess that you went all the way back to 1965 because Tech had some success way back then. Do that stat again using something recent. Maybe the last ten years. Maybe it's good, maybe it's bad, but at least it's relevant.

Edit - you answered the question before I finished asking it...and that's exactly what I thought it would be.

(05-15-2012 09:01 AM)trojans664 Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 08:39 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Tech vs ECU, USM, and Tulsa since 1965:

16-19-1

Total Score: 736-806

Avg Score: 20 - 22

One could only guess that you went all the way back to 1965 because Tech had some success way back then. Do that stat again using something recent. Maybe the last ten years. Maybe it's good, maybe it's bad, but at least it's relevant.

Edit - you answered the question before I finished asking it...and that's exactly what I thought it would be.

Total Score of Tech vs ECU, USM, and Tulsa in last 12 meetings:

Tech - 287
ECU, USM, Tulsa - 272

Scores are just numbers. Wins and losses are what counts.

(05-14-2012 10:07 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  ECU and Southern Miss are just ahead of our programs timewise. I don't see why Troy, stAte, Louisiana, and WKU can't get to their level with time, just gotta be patient and work for it.

As long as the four of us stick together the Sun Belt will be fine. FAU and MTSU thrown in there and we have a Conference I am excited to be a part of. Adding Texas State is a plus too.

Certainly possible, although ECU was averaging 25k fans per game 30 years ago. ECU has such a unique dynamic in our state. We are the only true football first school in a state that is dominated by basketball schools. We realized long ago that we really didn't have a chance to compete with ACC hoops, but realized that ACC football we could be competitive with for fans and and support. The problem for Troy, stAte, and ULL is your states have dominate football programs that swallow up almost all attention and casual fans. USM is unique in that they actually have a much better history of success than their richer in state neighbors. I'm not trying to say it can't be done, but it's not just going to be as simple as the passage of time.

(05-15-2012 09:43 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  We are the only true football first school in a state that is dominated by basketball schools.

Now why did you have to go and start throwing out these wild statements?

(05-15-2012 09:35 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  Scores are just numbers. Wins and losses are what counts.

Wins will definitely count now that we are in the same conference with them... if we want to win some championships. I think Tulsa has improved since we last played them too. I think they are better than USM now.

(05-15-2012 09:51 AM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 09:43 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  We are the only true football first school in a state that is dominated by basketball schools.

Now why did you have to go and start throwing out these wild statements?

Should I have clarified FBS? Either way you guys made your choice in 1979. You could have gone independent with us. You decided against it. Now you're upset that you aren't getting the call up. I feel bad for you, but it still goes back to the choices your program made over the years to not move up.

(05-15-2012 10:27 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Should I have clarified FBS? Either way you guys made your choice in 1979. You could have gone independent with us. You decided against it. Now you're upset that you aren't getting the call up. I feel bad for you, but it still goes back to the choices your program made over the years to not move up.

Doesnt matter if you said FBS or not, if youre west of Greensboro and talking about NC college football, App is in the conversation.

And we arent upset, App will play full FBS ball before Charlotte ever does, bank on it.