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(05-13-2012 10:36 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=569990

If the WAC dies, even as a basketball conference, that would leave no home for Boise for hoops. Boise back to MWC looking more likely ?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...-basketbal

Doesn't seem they're ready to give up on FBS just yet. What's funny about this the topic is what happens to Boise's olympic sports. I have sympathy for Idaho (but don't want to travel all the way up there), but none for Boise.

Don't be too worried about Boise's Oly sports... Benson will fight tooth and nail to keep Boise in a good position, regardless of how it affects where he's at.

(05-14-2012 11:08 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  Doesn't seem they're ready to give up on FBS just yet. What's funny about this the topic is what happens to Boise's olympic sports. I have sympathy for Idaho (but don't want to travel all the way up there), but none for Boise.

Why no sympathy for Boise? If the system was changing the way it is, their move to the Big East was about the only way they were ever going to get a shot at a NC.

(05-15-2012 02:33 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 11:08 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  Doesn't seem they're ready to give up on FBS just yet. What's funny about this the topic is what happens to Boise's olympic sports. I have sympathy for Idaho (but don't want to travel all the way up there), but none for Boise.

Why no sympathy for Boise? If the system was changing the way it is, their move to the Big East was about the only way they were ever going to get a shot at a NC.

I dont have sympathy for Boise because their move to the Big East was/is silly. I still dont think the BE gets them a chance at the NC if the Mtn West and/or WAC wouldnt. They still need to schedule up to get there.

(05-15-2012 02:33 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 11:08 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  Doesn't seem they're ready to give up on FBS just yet. What's funny about this the topic is what happens to Boise's olympic sports. I have sympathy for Idaho (but don't want to travel all the way up there), but none for Boise.

Why no sympathy for Boise? If the system was changing the way it is, their move to the Big East was about the only way they were ever going to get a shot at a NC.

I have no sympathy for a program who throws its other sports teams under the bus just so football can have more money. Even if they stay in Big East, the MWC makes more sense considering I doubt the money will be that much greater

It is tough to blame them however with the current system. If you're not in a BCS conference you have no chance, and SEC fans will hate on you no matter who you beat. Don't hate Boise, hate the system. What they should have done was join the BE in football only, and move Olympic sports into this conference - http://www.mpsports.org/members/mpsf-members.html

(05-13-2012 10:50 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(05-13-2012 10:36 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=569990

If the WAC dies, even as a basketball conference, that would leave no home for Boise for hoops. Boise back to MWC looking more likely ?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...-basketbal

I hope so. Boise being in the Big East is ******* stupid.

(05-15-2012 07:07 AM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 02:33 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 11:08 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  Doesn't seem they're ready to give up on FBS just yet. What's funny about this the topic is what happens to Boise's olympic sports. I have sympathy for Idaho (but don't want to travel all the way up there), but none for Boise.

Why no sympathy for Boise? If the system was changing the way it is, their move to the Big East was about the only way they were ever going to get a shot at a NC.

I dont have sympathy for Boise because their move to the Big East was/is silly. I still dont think the BE gets them a chance at the NC if the Mtn West and/or WAC wouldnt. They still need to schedule up to get there.

If they made it into the top 5 in a non-AQ league, you really don't think AQ status would help them get to the national championship?

Furthermore, beyond the dangling carrot of a national championship, they also have the ability in the Big East to lose a game and still play in a BCS bowl.

They were never going to get into the Pac 12 or the Big XII, so while the Big East move may be a bit silly, if you cannot understand the move you just don't get it.

If South Alabama was somehow offered a football only membership to the Pac 12 and you would be able to keep your Olympic sports in the Sun Belt, you guys would accept without thinking twice.

(05-15-2012 10:36 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  If they made it into the top 5 in a non-AQ league, you really don't think AQ status would help them get to the national championship?

Furthermore, beyond the dangling carrot of a national championship, they also have the ability in the Big East to lose a game and still play in a BCS bowl.

They were never going to get into the Pac 12 or the Big XII, so while the Big East move may be a bit silly, if you cannot understand the move you just don't get it.

If South Alabama was somehow offered a football only membership to the Pac 12 and you would be able to keep your Olympic sports in the Sun Belt, you guys would accept without thinking twice.

Bingo! Boise made an announced decision based on the facts available at the time. The Big East is an AQ league and will continue to be one for as long as the AQ designation lasts. If the AQ status goes away, then they can reevaluate. However, I don't believe Boise has formally left the MWC yet although I could be wrong on that.

In the current environment, every school is doing everything they can to keep their heads above water. And that means EVERY school as the "rules" of the conference game keep changing. Each school has to do what is best for itself, not what is necessarily best for their current conference although what is "best" probably includes not harming other members of the current conference as you never know who is going to end up where!

If South Alabama was offered a football only membership in the Pac 12, it'd be different because the Pac 12 is one of the major conferences (SEC, P12, B10, B12, ACC) and USA presumably could find some place to park its other sports. The Big East just isnt in the same stratosphere with the other AQ leagues. I dont see much difference beyond the AQ for another year or so and Mtn, CUSA or even the Belt. And tearing through the new BE wont get one, by itself, to the NC game. Just my opinion.

(05-15-2012 11:28 AM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  If South Alabama was offered a football only membership in the Pac 12, it'd be different because the Pac 12 is one of the major conferences (SEC, P12, B10, B12, ACC) and USA presumably could find some place to park its other sports. The Big East just isnt in the same stratosphere with the other AQ leagues. I dont see much difference beyond the AQ for another year or so and Mtn, CUSA or even the Belt. And tearing through the new BE wont get one, by itself, to the NC game. Just my opinion.

I do not disagree with the majority of what you're saying, having said that, a Pac 12 invite for USA is not really any different than a Big East invite for Boise. Yes, the Pac 12 is a better conference than the Big East and yes the Big East isn't that much better than the Mountain West, but the fact remains that the Big East is an automatic qualifier and that's all that matters. Putting the National Championship game on hold for a minute, you completely ignored the fact that playing in the Big East guarantees Boise a BCS bowl so long as they win the league, let us not forget that two years ago Connecticut went to a BCS bowl at 8-4 and a little less than a decade ago Pittsburgh went to a BCS bowl at 8-3. Now of course both teams were scrutinized for their inclusion and are part of why the Big East is usually viewed as the worst of the AQ conferences, but the fact remains that whether or not they deserved it, they still got to go. Now compare that to Boise who in the last 10 seasons has only one season with more than 2 regular season losses(and in fact they only had one season with 2 losses, so that means 8 out of 10 seasons they had 1 loss or less) and they only played in two BCS bowls. Had they been playing in an AQ league for the past ten years they'd probably have a few more losses along the way, but they'd have at least two or three more BCS bowl appearances.

Now as far as the national championship goes, yeah just being in the Big East and going undefeated isn't going to get them in, but it's going to get them closer. Any year there were two undefeated teams from other AQ conferences they'd still be on the outside looking in, and it's probable that a really strong resumed 1 loss SEC team would still get in over them, but beyond that they would have a much better shot at a National Championship appearance playing in the AQ Big East than in the non-AQ Mountain West. I believe that if the landscape of conferences and the postseason of college football both weren't changing so drastically and Boise were to play the next decade in the Big East under our current BCS AQ set-up, I absolutely believe they would find themselves in at least one National Championship game in that ten year period.

Again, I won't disagree that the move was a bit silly, but if you wouldn't have made the exact same decision in their position, you really don't get it.

The only reason I might make that move (from the mtn to the BE) would be out of fear had I not jumped, two mtn members or more would've done so. And we all know how much trust can be relied upon (example Utah State). I see your point and the logic of Boise's decision, I just feel like it was a terrible call. Which may end up being costly in terms of financial assistance to a league willing to take their non football sports if it can even find one (I suspect Boise's best hope is that the BWest will really want to keep SDSU). All this for a whopping year with the AQ. Which, of course, might not be won by Boise.

SDSU's move was silly but at least it has a credible, but weaker, home for non football. Its not like Boise couldn't have known of interest in Utah State and SDSU by the Mtn-they were seriously discussed WHILE Boise was a Mtn member.